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Honor system needs some small fixes.

Schuit·10/24/2019, 4:45:42 PM·3 votes·2,227 views

Someone at the end of season that has an offense is ineligible for season rewards, no matter how minor their offense. However ANY player that has ANY offense that is punished with anything short of a perm ban at the beginning of the season, can be eligible. Not only that, he can finish with honor level 5. I think it should be an all or nothing. Either everyone that gets punished is ineligible, or everyone has a chance to make it up.

Now I realize everyone on this board just likes to disagree with everything, in fact I've seen many arguments start up on this board, with the same person taking different sides of the same argument on different threads, but honestly, if the racist dropping %%%%philia jokes (hypothetical, but i'm sure it's happened at least once this year) from January can get his rewards, then the guy who got a chat restriction for too many F bombs should have a chance to earn them back too. There are 5 levels of honor, why make that many if anything bad drops you to zero? It should just be honorable/dishonorable.

One possible fix would be to increase the speed at which someone can reach honor level 2. Say, 100 games, or 200 honors will do it, but 2 reports in a single match will reset that counter to zero. This way, if someone at the end of season gets punished, they'll have to grind out a lot of games as fast as possible, but not only that, but they'll have to be on their best behavior, and they'll have to strive to play better, so that people don't give them intentional feeding reports on a very bad game. I'm not sure if any devs will read this, but the system as it is now is only punishing at the end of the season.

14 Comments

rujitra10/24/2019, 5:17:04 PM3 votes

The season rewards are a measure of your standing at the end of the season.

If your account is not in good standing at the end of the season it quite frankly doesn’t matter why it’s not, the fact is that it’s not.

Umbral Regent10/24/2019, 5:38:51 PM3 votes

Someone at the end of season that has an offense is ineligible for season rewards, no matter how minor their offense. However ANY player that has ANY offense that is punished with anything short of a perm ban at the beginning of the season, can be eligible.

This isn't new, though. This is even how End of Season Reward eligibility was handled before Honor 2.0; there are only two major differences:

The previous system was simply tied to an arbitrary cutoff date, rather than being tied to Honor Level. Functionally, it was the same exact scenario; get punished at the very tail-end of the season, and you lose your rewards. Getting punished early on won't impact your ability to get those rewards unless you straight-up got permabanned.
The current system introduces the possibility that someone who gets punished early in the year can forfeit their end-of-season reward eligibility if they fail to reform for the whole of the year. Just because they can be eligible, doesn't mean they will.

One possible fix would be to increase the speed at which someone can reach honor level 2.

They did do that sometime last year, I think it was, where they were fine-tuning Honor progression based on feedback. The problem is, Honor Progression simply isn't something we'll be able to fully understand, much less get any exact numbers on.

...but 2 reports in a single match will reset that counter to zero.

Ignoring the idea that Honor Progression can simply be tied to grinding out games played (which isn't the point of Honor, BTW), this would be a really, really bad idea, considering you won't know whether or not you're reported, and you're just saying reports in general; not valid reports, but just reports.

The Honor System already halts your progress for a match if you were validly reported in it (meaning the IFS found misbehavior/rulebreaking in your chat logs, but did not deem it sufficient to give a main tier of punishment), so adding extra nonsense of losing all your progress because of two reports, regardless of validity in a single match, is more than overkill.

...and they'll have to strive to play better, so that people don't give them intentional feeding reports on a very bad game.

Those reports, if they're found to be unmerited, get thrown out. They already don't have to worry about intentional feeding reports, because unless they were actually trolling or intentionally feeding, they're not going to get punished for such.

Schuit10/24/2019, 6:56:38 PM2 votes

Not gonna literally have an argument about an argument lmao

What does ranking have to do with anything? You're trying to use an outside argument to dictate why they shouldn't just make things fair.

We're ONLY punished based on WHEN we misbehaved. Meaning, Riot is only punishing people at the end of the season.

It is simple. Punish everyone, or Give everyone the chance to reform. That's it. nothing more. It's not complicated.

With that, I'm finished. I put my point of view out there, with any luck, a dev will see it and realize the system is skewed. I have no need to argue with someone who, according to their previous posts on any board, is only here to argue, take care man. Good luck on the rift.

Schuit10/24/2019, 5:47:19 PM2 votes

You have some solid points, but Riot putting in that time increase to allow people to reach honor level 2 was the exact fix the system needed. Because there were too many cases of players not getting rewards due to a chat restriction near the end of season. At the end of the day. Either everyone should be able to reform for rewards, or nobody be able to reform for rewards.

Schuit10/24/2019, 5:24:41 PM2 votes

Yes, and I understand everyone on this board believes all players that aren't them deserve the worst punishment, especially the commenters here, but my point stands, it should be everyone has a chance, or nobody does. It shouldn't be a measure of your standing, it should be "did you rage this season, or did you not?" Thus my saying it needs some small fixes. If it's a one time thing, and the player reforms, that's great, however Riot isn't giving players at the end of the season TO reform. LAST YEAR however, they did. They extended the time certain players had to reach honor level 2, and I thought that was a great solution, but there haven't been any announcements yet this year about making it happen.

Tele II10/25/2019, 5:33:03 AM1 votes

I didnt read all that past the first paragraph once you started sharing your thoughts on the boards in a pathetic attempt to sway people to agree with you, but I do agree. I've always found that a bit odd that the timing of a 10 game chat restrict can screw you more or less depending on the time of year. And btw, just insulting everyone's intelligence like that has the opposite effect. I almost just downvoted and didnt bother replying because of it lol. But i like to try to be as pragmatic as possible, so yeah, I agree with the first part.

Irelia Bronze510/25/2019, 1:08:37 PM1 votes

This system is badly made, people punished 3 times early season can still get their rewards, but those clean all season who flame a troll in 1 game at the end lose them. This system promote trolling and being toxic early season.

They really should give people another grace period to get honor back, this is ridiculous really.