I don't understand this whole "reform" thing.

Niyume·1/5/2018, 8:52:48 AM·4 votes·707 views

So, to call it reform, you're implying that the people are horribly out of line, and are basically along the lines of a criminal, yeah? Now... most people I see being banned weren't doing anything wrong, they were just frustrated and venting -- why is that so hated in League's community? I mean people pretend it's a sport and all that, right? Well, in real life, real sports have a lot of frustration involved.

Why is being human and having emotions frowned upon? Why do you need to "reform" into an emotionless zombie?

And a second question that's sort of related... why in the world do you straight up ban someone for saying a trigger word? Like... that's just absurd. I can't even think of another game that does that, and a lot of them are based in southern Cali or Seattle too (AKA, the SJW headquarters-s of the world). I could understand temp banning someone if they're just constantly abusing people and being an asshole all game... but to say the 3-letter F word, which has been a general-use word for something distasteful for a long time now, and be instantly banned... that's just asinine.

Honestly, that kind of attitude is just really, really vain. To support it is just... wrong. Instead, encourage people to not worry about what others think.

But, I know no one cares. Being a little asshole about something as benign as a word is the "cool" thing to do now, and vanity is now a virtue instead of the flaw it's been for thousands of years.

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The Cream Reaper1/5/2018, 9:05:51 AM11 votes

why in the world do you straight up ban someone for saying a trigger word? Like... that's just absurd.

but to say the 3-letter F word, which has been a general-use word for something distasteful for a long time now and be instantly banned... that's just asinine.

Honestly, that kind of attitude is just really, really vain. To support it is just... wrong.

based on what i've seen so far, the only people with this mentality are the flamers. you guys can't control yourselves and you blame the rule makers instead. nice!

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

I can't even think of another game that does that,

"can't think of anything so that means i'm right"

classic argument from ignorance

Well, in real life, real sports have a lot of frustration involved.

and guess what? you get punished for being rude in real sports too :)

and vanity is now a virtue instead of the flaw it's been for thousands of years.

you should know all about vanity based on this post

[sg-ahri-2]

Umbral Regent1/5/2018, 9:32:49 AM5 votes

So, to call it reform, you're implying that the people are horribly out of line, and are basically along the lines of a criminal, yeah?

"Reform" doesn't imply how bad a person is, it just implies that they were bad to some degree, and need improving. If you Google "Reform Definition", one of the results is this:

"make changes in (something, typically a social, political, or economic institution or practice) in order to improve it."

This means that, the player's behavior was negative/unsatisfactory, and reform implies only that, and that they are working to improve it.

Now... most people I see being banned weren't doing anything wrong, they were just frustrated and venting

I'm not sure we're really on the same page here. The majority of people I've seen banned were banned rightly - they were insulting their teammates, flaming out the ass, and being general jerks. And, on top of that, if they really needed to vent, they could do so outside of the game, so they don't subject their teammates to their own tilt.

why is that so hated in League's community?

Negativity has a sort of domino effect. Once one person starts ranting and raving about how shitty the match is going for them, it creeps into everyone else, making them negative, making them play worse - until the whole match was brought down by one person tilting off the face of the earth.

I wouldn't personally say it's hated - frowned upon, certainly, but hated seems like an exaggeration.

I mean people pretend it's a sport and all that, right? Well, in real life, real sports have a lot of frustration involved.

And that frustration is kept off the field, and even then, channelled wrongly, can still lead to punishments for the frustrated party.


Why is being human and having emotions frowned upon?

It isn't, and it isn't.

Why do you need to "reform" into an emotionless zombie?

Come the hell on, is being positive, or at the very least, composing yourself, that bad, that dull?

It's not about giving up on your emotions, it's about knowing how to channel them properly, how to hold yourself back from letting them out unduly. There is a middle-ground between a temper tantrum and cold emotionlessness, you know. It's called "normalcy".


And a second question that's sort of related... why in the world do you straight up ban someone for saying a trigger word?

Oh, great. This topic.

Quick word of warning - the following paragraphs will undoubtedly be heated. I mean all the respect I can maintain to the OP, but the sheer ignorance of what I'm replying to makes it very, very hard to remain composed.

Do you know the history of some of those trigger words? Those racist and homophobic slurs? Do you know the weight those words carry because of the people who were oppressed, dehumanized, segregated, and MURDERED because of the differences those instances of hate speech encapsulate?

And what about threats of violence, or encouragements of self-harm - do you really, REALLY think it's okay for people to tell others to kill themselves, to want to kill another person, over a videogame?

Like... that's just absurd.

Questioning the rules and policies against those terms is what's absurd.

And it's not "instantly banned" - first offenders for hate speech and encouragements of self-harm are treated with a 14-day ban when the report's been verified. Anything after that - even if it isn't hate speech - if it's verified as punishable, then they get permabanned.

And if you think Riot's policies against hate speech are asinine, you are absolutely free to not play their game.


Honestly, that kind of attitude is just really, really vain.

Not as vain as the "I should be allowed to say anything I want with no repercussions" mentality. Just sayin'.

To support it is just... wrong.

No? Riot understands the weight of hate speech, they don't want it in their game so people don't have to deal with such horrible, awful words with inhumanly terrible histories. How is it wrong to support it?

Instead, encourage people to not worry about what others think.

......Is this just another variant of that "people need thicker skin" argument? If it is:

More often than not, it's not about people caring about what others think, it's more that they think the person they're reporting is an asshole.

Honestly, I think the majority of the League community has the whole "not worrying what others think" thing on lock.


But, I know no one cares. Being a little asshole about something as benign as a word is the "cool" thing to do now...

......Pardon me again, I'm pretty pissed.

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DEFENDING THE USE OF?

It isn't "benign", it is HATE SPEECH. HATE. SPEECH. It is as malign as you can get in a godsdamned language.

and vanity is now a virtue instead of the flaw it's been for thousands of years.

What? Okay, explain to me how Riot serving their community as a whole is vain.

ModPrandine1/5/2018, 12:25:00 PM4 votes

Think of it this way: the more time people spend yelling and raging at other people in chat the less time they're spending actually playing the game itself. If you must rage or vent then do so at the screen rather than in chat, that way you don't risk dragging other people down with you and also so you don't force other people to mute you just so you can lash out freely (the mute button =/= a get out of jail free card).

As for certain things receiving an escalated penalty, it's because you shouldn't need a warning to know that calling someone a racial slur or telling someone to kill themselves or using hate speech is unacceptable in any context, hence why it's treated more severely than general poor behavior. It's not about being sensitive or offended or whatever other excuse people use to try to justify poor behavior, it's about not wanting that kind of behavior in the game. If you disagree with the rules Riot has set in place then feel free to find another game with less strict behavioral rules than this one.

P.S. A bit of advice: if you can't make your point without resorting to things like insults and name-calling then chances are that it wasn't really that important to begin with.

P.S.S. There's an old quote that I feel is appropriate here: "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

ModPeriscope1/5/2018, 9:12:19 AM3 votes

Instead, encourage people to not worry about what others think.

That's why you mute players.

I never feel that our chances of winning increase when a player starts insulting, harassing, or starts using slurs. It's unhelpful and distracting. You can also bring up social and moral issues with toxicity, but it simply has no place in the game.

Just because a word has an extensive use doesn't mean it's right to use it.

7deadLeeSlnz1/5/2018, 11:30:41 AM2 votes

Well, in real life, real sports have a lot of frustration involved.

You mean like that guy that used a nazi slur and had give up his ownership of a NBA team?

Falkentyne1/5/2018, 6:38:41 PM1 votes

I already tried to be your friend and you deleted me. Now you're back to your old self crying on forums about toxic players. You proved to me why people don't like you. You don't even treat anyone ELSE nicely unless each and every one of your own ego needs are satisfied. Stop trying to act like a victim. And stop whining about how depressed you are.