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Please fix the Lack of punishment issued to AFK players in Diamond+

Get Brained On··51 votes·16,817 views

Backstory: I've recently fallen a few divisions in diamond and have been spamming games trying to climb my way back up.

I am getting AFK's in just under 50% of my games. When I report these players I can honestly say that I get report feedback about 1 in every 20. I understand you can't just ban people or give people long queues because of one person getting unlucky in their ranked games.

However, I have seen the same people in my games going AFK and if not AFK then running it down mid without any punishment being issued.

This is not healthy for the game and is very demotivating to try and get better at the game when 50% of my matches result in AFK's. At first, I thought that I was getting target trolled. I continued playing with this in mind for about 3 weeks. Today I reached my breaking point when I had 3 AFK games in a row. So, I changed my name thinking it would solve the issue.

It didn't.

For those that say; "you're probably just toxic", "everyone has those games it's part of league", I have all chat and team chat disabled.

If you had auto losses in half of your games because of afk's and/or intentional feeders, with no visible punishment being issued, would you not also be upset?

EDIT: This post was not specifically meant for Diamond+. That is the elo I'm currently in.

32 Comments

Niggel Wessom13 votes

As if being toxic warrants someone running it down or going afk.... lol boards logic. I'm not diamond but yeah ppl afk way too much and it seems like ppl are ok with it for the most part bc of "wHaT iF iTs An EmErGeNcY" as if my league account would be anywhere in the top 50 things I would be worried about if I was having a serious emergency

Clone Is Friend5 votes

So are you saying that you would hapily lose your account that you spent hundreds or even thousands of dollars because your mother decided to have a heart attack? People take the 15 lp that most diamond players get too seriously. u aren't gonna get paid for winning a soloq game. grow up and learn to lose. the enemies go afk too.

Ztoka2 votes

I've not known anyone to lose their account for afking. Leavebuster, maybe a x day ban, but a perma ban for going afk. Doubt that has ever happened or ever will..

Prozzak4 votes

It most certainly would if you did it enough, but it would have to be a ton and I doubt his mom is living with that many heart attacks to get him to the point of banned from afking.

Niggel Wessom5 votes

[{quoted}](name=Useless Jester,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IKbsEI6E,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-22T07:08:15.248+0000)

So are you saying that you would hapily lose your account that you spent hundreds or even thousands of dollars because your mother decided to have a heart attack? People take the 15 lp that most diamond players get too seriously. u aren't gonna get paid for winning a soloq game. grow up and learn to lose. the enemies go afk too.

Yeah my mom is worth more than any amount of skins on a video game like what kind of question is that

TwitchInMyPants2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Useless Jester,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IKbsEI6E,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-10-22T07:08:15.248+0000)

So are you saying that you would hapily lose your account that you spent hundreds or even thousands of dollars because your mother decided to have a heart attack? People take the 15 lp that most diamond players get too seriously. u aren't gonna get paid for winning a soloq game. grow up and learn to lose. the enemies go afk too.

Thankfully if that happened I have an AFK record that's so close to spotless that I wouldn't be banned for that

If you're ditching every game and are at risk of being banned? Well, tough luck. You chose to play when your ability to play is unreliable and the game gives you warnings. And hell, no one has been perma'd to my knowledge over an afk, just temp banned at most.

If it is possible to be perma'd over afking its an extreme amount of leaving you have to do, people are leaving for 20+ games filling match histories with 0/15/1 Rammus all movespeed and still not getting banned. And that's inting which should be harsher than leaverbuster. You have to leave a loooooooot.

General Esdeath 7 votes

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IainG102 votes

If it's who I think it is, his continued state is the biggest evidence that Riot no longer look at the Boards....

General Esdeath 2 votes

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IainG101 votes

That would imply caring far more about them than I actually do; he talks shit about things that aren't related gameplay.

RebeccaUCuber7 votes

This lack of afk punishments is a problem everywhere in all modes and elo. The worst fact is ppl know about this and either ragequir at 0/1 without any regret or play with a bad net cos they wont be punished anyway. This season i had the most afks in all over seasons by far. Even 3-4 per day.

Annyversary seems cool and all but pls Riot think about the punishment system too. It's only good when it involves flaming, useless for the rest.

Get Brained On3 votes

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This lack of afk punishments is a problem everywhere in all modes and elo. The worst fact is ppl knows about this and either ragequir at 0/1 without any regret or play with a bad net cos they wont be punished anyway. This season i had the most afks in all over seasons by far. Even 3-4 per day.

Annyversary seems cool and all but pls Riot think about the punishment system too. It's only good when it involves flaming, useless for the rest.

True.

ßlameMyADC5 votes

Barely a single game ever passes where someone doesn't intentionally feed, wishes cancer upon someones family or is involved in otherwise obviously and intentionally toxic behavior.

IFS doesn't need us to tell us the names of people, or who and when and why they ultimately received their ban, but it needs to be more strict and accurate. The policy to not always let us know whether a punishment has been issues just looks like a diversion to me.

Edit: I do not report for the things that people usually call trolling. I don't give a shit about your KDA as long as it isn't intentional (you'd have to admit in chat), I do not care about peoples picks, their plays or misplays, whether they take my farms or steal a kill or take a buff. I report based on chat messages only.

They want you to know that maybe that person has been punished but they just didn't tell you. I report 1-3 players per game I play (Low Plat/High Gold). And I've had mornings where very little people play and I had the same 3 people in my games, 3 games in a row. In each instance they were incredibly and I mean incredibly toxic, from death threats and to being f*ked to death by a dog.

Each of these games I issued reports, NOTHING came as a reply and the next game they were there again. From the 3 people I've reported, who said something very clearly harassing/hate speech and not just some low key insult that you just shrug off, I've received a single response from IFS that someone was punished. And I don't even know if it's 1 of the 3 games as I received the "INSTANT FEEDBACK notification" (kappa) 2 days later. In that time span I obviously issued more reports.

And since they want to reduce their workload they don't make it easy to directly report to support. I don't wanna fill out 20 kilometres of formulars everytime I wanna make sure a human looks at the game's chat log, when it is really necessary.

I feel like there should be a policy in place that allows for more simple direct reports if the player thinks that there is a SERIOUS chat violation taking place. Something so creatively toxic that the IFS can't detect

Opening the support page and selecting "serious chat violation" or some link that allows you to select one of your recent game's right away from a dropdown menu, to issue a quick, concise report that needs a human to look at the chat would be an amazing solution.

Obviously creating a massive amount of workload and thus costing Riot money in the end, but they've got 2 things to consider. They themselves claimed they care about the player, prove it. They would massively increase the user experience if people could be reassured that Riot actually intends to crack down on toxic players.

Edit: I've been reminded by Support recently that "Wow you reported so many players to us, thanks for helping out, but don't forget that reporting from ingame is the best way to report". Truth is, it's not. It's not the best way to report, it's the easiest way and creates the least amount of work I suppose, but it's hardly an effective one. Maybe I just know too little about IFS... Who knows.

LightswornLance7 votes

I'm glad your in the EUNE region :)

ßlameMyADC1 votes

Man, no matter what you're assuming right now and why you're happy about it, but I made it very clear in my posts that my reports are not for the most random shit, neither did I specify whether I engage in chatting with toxic players. But the amount of insults you get thrown at you on EUNE is massive, even if you don't answer them. I've played on EUW before where players who get into a tough situation or are upset about your own gameplay or someone elses drop you a "Wtf" or "holy shit that was bad" and then they get back to playing and leave each other alone.

Some players on EUNE turn insulting, and I don't mean just flaming, insulting, into their full-time job. Reporting at least 1 player per game is not me being "qqqqq someone said ermagherd u r baaaaadd", I'm actually talking toxic people here who have no chill if someone misplays or does something they feel is the incorrect way to play.

EUNE has no chill, just my opinion.

KVbqbFsC8e5 votes

That wouldn't make sense for it apply only to Diamond +. AFKing has always been an issue in all ranks, but for some reason Riot refuses to have the Leaverbuster actually ban people like it used to.

Get Brained On4 votes

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That wouldn't make sense for it apply only to Diamond +. AFKing has always been an issue in all ranks, but for some reason Riot refuses to have the Leaverbuster actually ban people like it used to.

Wasn't trying to imply the solution only for Diamond+. I want Riot to come out with a solution that helps better the game instead of no punishment. Often times in Diamond people will afk at 5 minutes or 10 minutes because they think the game is over. Making everyone else practically surrender or waste their time.

Ebyssa4 votes

Not just Diamond Queue, I've had literally Rage-Quitters before my Gold-Promos twice in a row. They die twice in like 5-7 minutes and quit and we almost win or are winning hard core early, and then done.

Ztoka4 votes

Punishments should be heavy whether you are iron, diamond, or challenger. Just because someone isn't high elo doesn't mean they don't still ruin the game for someone. Punishments should be equal across the board because someone who's trolling deserves punishment, even in unranked..

Get Brained On1 votes

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Punishments should be heavy whether you are iron, diamond, or challenger. Just because someone isn't high elo doesn't mean they don't still ruin the game for someone. Punishments should be equal across the board because someone who's trolling deserves punishment, even in unranked..

Agreed.

GROMMI3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Get Brained On,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IKbsEI6E,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-10-22T01:42:36.921+0000)

Backstory: I've recently fallen a few divisions in diamond and have been spamming games trying to climb my way back up.

I am getting AFK's in just under 50% of my games. When I report these players I can honestly say that I get report feedback about 1 in every 20. I understand you can't just ban people or give people long queues because of one person getting unlucky in their ranked games.

However, I have seen the same people in my games going AFK and if not AFK then running it down mid without any punishment being issued.

This is not healthy for the game and is very demotivating to try and get better at the game when 50% of my matches result in AFK's. At first, I thought that I was getting target trolled. I continued playing with this in mind for about 3 weeks. Today I reached my breaking point when I had 3 AFK games in a row. So, I changed my name thinking it would solve the issue.

It didn't.

For those that say; "you're probably just toxic", "everyone has those games it's part of league", I have all chat and team chat disabled.

If you had auto losses in half of your games because of afk's and/or intentional feeders, with no visible punishment being issued, would you not also be upset?

EDIT: This post was not specifically meant for Diamond+. That is the elo I'm currently in.

As someone who fell from D1 in solo queue to D4 because of the diamond mentality of AFK / ragequit easily, I fully understand and agree with you. I'm pulling AFKs in 50% of games. I prefer Flex for the sheer fact that it doesn't make me want to rip my face off with player behavior.

SoulWorker3 votes

Here because same is happening to me in Silver.

MGM Reiner3 votes

I made a thread like this before and i was told that the punishment feedback doesnt always happen , i mean people can get punished without the feedback getting sent to you , not sure though just a bunch of randaoms commenting on my board.

TwitchInMyPants1 votes

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I made a thread like this before and i was told that the punishment feedback doesnt always happen , i mean people can get punished without the feedback getting sent to you , not sure though just a bunch of randaoms commenting on my board.

There's an issue with that. We know its true, but Riot API lets us look up these players to see if their account is still active. If it is, that directly refutes the idea that they were banned over their afking.

Color me biased based on what I see, but even when people are being really irrational I see a large number of links, list of screenshots, ect pass by the boards. A lot of times mods will take it down for the "name and shame" rule but when you can clearly see a match history of afk/inting and no punishment being doled out, its honestly infuriating that protecting people who ruin the game is given priority over actually making it an issue. I know we want to avoid witch hunts without evidence, but that kind of thing is pretty clear.

Sure, sometimes the instant feedback just won't show up for somebody even if they report accurately, but why have that feature when its almost never used? Why make it so obscure why some people who make repeat infactions aren't banned?

Starcraft243ver2 votes

I am getting AFK's in just under 50% of my games. When I report these players I can honestly say that I get report feedback about 1 in every 20. I understand you can't just ban people or give people long queues because of one person getting unlucky in their ranked games.

Are you sure this is this much ? The stats in D+ are 1 afk every 20 games https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/afk-stats

We are not talking about the people going afk 1 min before the game ends right ?

Get Brained On3 votes

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Are you sure this is this much ? The stats in D+ are 1 afk every 20 games https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/afk-stats

We are not talking about the people going afk 1 min before the game ends right ?

Yes. I had 9 losses due to AFK's today as well. This is why I thought I was being trolled

TyRamos8 votes

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Are you sure this is this much ? The stats in D+ are 1 afk every 20 games https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/afk-stats

We are not talking about the people going afk 1 min before the game ends right ?

That stat is only people who get flagged afk by the system. I'd say over half of rage quitters dont get the afk symbol from the system.

RebeccaUCuber5 votes

yep cos they run around so they dont take leaverbuster

Starcraft243ver1 votes

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That stat is only people who get flagged afk by the system. I'd say over half of rage quitters dont get the afk symbol from the system.

To be honnest it's very very rare that someone really afk and just runs around in base, first because it's still detected by the leaverbuster (tantram smited someone for this), and secondly because most of the time people juste ragequit silently. (At least that's what I experiment in d+, the guy just ragequit and go play on his smurf, he does not try to fake it).

Also I do not think leagueofgraph get the datas from the leaverbuster, they are more likely to check the riot API, which doesnt give a flag if someone is afk, so they are probably looking at the difference of position between two timestamp.

The King Diamond2 votes

Why only in Diamond+? It happens on all ranks and it's as annoying as in ur elo. I agree btw.

Get Brained On5 votes

[{quoted}](name=I must be better,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=IKbsEI6E,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-10-22T15:54:27.331+0000)

Why only in Diamond+? It happens on all rankd in it's as annoying as in ur elo. I agree btw.

This post wasn't intended on being Diamond+ only that's just the elo I'm in.

Yami No Ignis2 votes

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