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Salty Junglers

CheshireGame·1/11/2016, 4:50:21 AM·5 votes·866 views

I was just in a game and I realized something, why do junglers like the one from last game quit if they aren't doing well. My jungler died four times to jungle camps then rage quit, even being there would help. My mid mirror mid lane was doing GREAT, bot was doing awesome and top was in stasis, then they left and the enemy jungler ganked bot and got the adc fed and their top laner was doing barely better but not overly noticably better than ours. We literally lost because they allowed the enemy jungler to feed the lanes and take the ENTIRE jungle. They said that the lanes were not their problem, it's the junglers job to feed the lanes and keep the enemy jungler from feeding in the jungle. The laners are to provide support and set up the ganks for the jungler. It's a mutual relationship and you can lose a game heavily because of your jungler. What I want to know is why so many junglers act like they are better than everyone else yet they quit the most out of all my games, and so few people seem to understand that they can have off games but they won't get better if they don't play those off games. I was really looking forward to my mirror mid game TT^TT, I was winning lane too and I was the only one the jungler couldn't successfully gank, our team didn't need ganks, we just needed our jungler to do nothing but stop the enemy jungler from doing what they did and then they rage quit.

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Troll Armada1/11/2016, 4:59:11 AM5 votes

I read this a while back and don't know where, but the rioter who designed the jungle said something to the effect of, he made a big mistake and never intended it to look the way it has turned out.

xReadyPlayerOnex1/11/2016, 3:29:58 PM3 votes

There is a huge misconception you bring up about the role of the Jungler. They are NOT there to feed you. The set up for a jungler and those camps in Meta play is specifically designed to maximize experience and allow that player to roam and take pressure off lanes and counter the enemies plays in those lanes. The Jungler may ALSO need help from the laners as getting ganked in the Jungle is a great way to tilt the game. This means you might have to buy pinks and ward bushes in your OWN jungle. You may need to leave lane and help your jg. You may need to help them kill a few camps so they can recover. Or tell them how to combo or build because they're doing something wrong.

Your JG is NOT a golden ticket to winning lane. That isn't their job. If they come and don't get a kill then that's how it goes and you need to win lane by getting enough cs to be stronger than your opponent or by killing them or forcing them out of lane.

Simply put: a JG's job is to level and get gold, same as you and that's WHY they're in the JG. Ganking is just a helpful thing they do to keep the enemy team guessing on their moves. It's a role that's meant to be disruptive. Not there to help you cause you can't handle the lane.

That being said, JG is the single most frustrating role. It contains a LOT of HIGH risk, HIGH reward situations but that risk can be horrible to deal with and if their team can't compensate and adjust, the game is over. For example, I was on yi and warding as much as possible and shyvana would clear my camps without any counter play at all by my team. I asked them over and over to help me ward. I hit 9 and spammed the shit out of that blue war and I kept getting them taken and then got ganked at WOLVES while I spam assist, ult away toward my midlaner and they literally ran from me. That's a very, very frustrating game. Same goes for when a lee sin keeps finding you in the JG. Or a shaco, nails your elise off of tanking the blue buff at level 2. It's an extremely frustrating role because of it's unpredictability and teams RARELY help change what's happening when things start to go down hill. That's gotten even worse now since the new wards. I can have 1 trinket and 1 pink up..... IF I manage to snag both scuttles, that's 4 points on the map. That's usually not enough to prevent a competent JG from invading or knowing that your buff just popped on bottom and top's a great place to gank right now.

When you start to blame a role, play it. Find out why that happens. Figure out how to help them. Don't just blame them for getting frustrated.

The Deckowner1/11/2016, 5:18:02 AM2 votes

in the meta right now, especially in lower elo, junglers arent the factor that determines the victory of the game, which team has the worse feeding laner will determine it.

having a jg afk farming is better than a top/mid/bot robot mode feeding.

Quantum Lotus1/11/2016, 12:55:29 PM1 votes

I am a jungler main, however im only s2-s1. Jungle is the most complicated role to play in the game. you have to manage the entire map, ward for your team if they aren't warding, know which camp to take and which to save for the buff, Jungle paths to take to get to the lane that you need to go to and pull off a proper gank. There is ganking, then there is fully thought out and planned ganking. At lower elo people are still learning the jungle and may end up dying to creeps. Others may gank at the worst times because they don't know how to plan their jungle paths correctly.

If you are upset with the junglers you are getting I would recommend trying jungle out yourself. They can have a huge impact on the game just because of their possible map presence. And when you get really good at managing your own camps and jungle paths you can start managing the enemy jungler's paths and camps and counter jungle him/her. It is really fun.

Also I would recommend vi , xin Zhao XinZhao , or even rek'sai RekSai for beginner junglers. good luck on the rift

CheshireGame1/12/2016, 1:41:07 AM

I am level 30, last I checked that wasn't low elo. I have played jungle, I even got the first blood against the other jungler. I have paths set up for when I jungle and I say when I am going to gank and if they are ok with that. I have saved my laners and gotten them kills. I am not the best jungler but I can jungle and I have done it before, but I can still try to at least make the situation not as bad or even make my weakness into my strength, what I mean is this: oh look it's the Kha'zix that keeps dying to red let's kill him, suddenly the enemy team hears double kill and sees my laners have a sudden power boost. Yes I do agree that an afk jungle feeder is not as bad as a non-afk lane feeder but please say that you agree that you won't get better as a champ unless you play them, even when you are doing awful.