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Why is surrendering allowed in the game?

DeafRune·Jul 31, 2018·1 votes·1,482 views

By its nature all games of league of legends are winnable, even games where you have players breaking the rules, trolling,inting,afk it is still posible to have a comeback and win.

So why does riot give players the option to give up in a game? Its even listed as the first reason to report a player, so why give them the option?

I have been playing for a few years now and i have not once felt the need to betray not only my teammates but also dishonor my enemys by not giving them a fair fight where i try my best.

Would it really be too hard to give players a 3 strike system where if they surrender 3 times they are banned for breaking the rules of the game?, its not even like disconnecting where their are sometimes real world issues that force you to disconnect, You have to manually click the surrender button implicating you in breaking the rules. There is no way to shift blame as you are solely responsible for your own actions.

21 Comments

Umbral RegentJul 31, 20185 votes

So why does riot give players the option to give up in a game? Its even listed as the first reason to report a player, so why give them the option?

The "giving up" mentioned in the report screen refers to a defeatist attitude, not the use of the Surrender feature.

Initiating a Surrender vote isn't against the rules, no matter how many times you do it.

Saying "gg, top is lost, we lose", on the other hand, is.

The Surrender feature exists to allow players who feel the game is no longer winnable a fair and easy way to back out of the game. And, I gotta repeat this:

Surrendering is not against the rules. Being a defeatist and draining team morale is.

Would it really be too hard to give players a 3 strike system where if they surrender 3 times they are banned for breaking the rules of the game?

That's asinine. That'd be like saying people should get banned for not buying items from the recommended tab in the in-game shop.

DeafRuneJul 31, 20181 votes

That's asinine. That'd be like saying people should get banned for not buying items from the recommended tab in the in-game shop.

Asking people to follow the basic rules of the game shouldn't be asinine. I don't really understand your compairison of people following the rules of the game with something about player choice or something?, You do know that people are free to buy whatever items they choose. And on a lot of champions it is encouraged even, to try new or different items depending on the situation and playstyle.

Umbral RegentJul 31, 20183 votes

Asking people to follow the basic rules of the game shouldn't be asinine. I don't really understand your compairison of people following the rules of the game with something about player choice or something?,

Okay, since the point of the comparison went some measure overhead, let me put it to you like this:

If Surrendering was against the rules, why in the fresh fuck would Riot even give players the option?

I've said it twice, and I'll say it a third time now: Using the Surrender feature is not against the rules. If it was, the feature wouldn't exist.

The report category that includes "giving up" is specifically titled "Negative Attitude". Which, again, refers to being a morale-sapping defeatist, not initiating a Surrender Vote.

Other factors to consider: The Surrender Vote starting does not mean by any stretch that the game is guaranteed to end in a Surrender. It takes a unanimous surrender at fifteen minutes, and 4/5 yes votes at 20+ minutes, meaning at least three other people besides the one initiating the vote has to be on board.

If that many people on one team want to Surrender, then that's A.O.K.

But again; Surrendering (both initiating a vote and a vote passing) is not against the rules.

If you can't accept that, then there's no more discussion to be had here.

disregardableJul 31, 20184 votes

because losing isn't fun, and people play video games for fun.

pretty simple concept.

not everyone wants to get slaughtered over and over again for that 1% chance that 2 of the enemy team will DC.

DeafRuneJul 31, 20181 votes

Yea but just because you arnt winning doesent mean you should give up. What team sport lets you instantly quit the game if you arnt winning, could you imagine that in baseball, or basketball. +As a game with two sides its not just about your team, Its disrepectfull not only to your team but the other team to not try your best, Its the same reason its not fun for anyone when the enemy team has somone intentionally feeding, or afk.

disregardableJul 31, 20186 votes

baseball and basketball don't become progressively harder to play, on top of being progressively harder to win, as you're behind.

league does.

DeafRuneJul 31, 20181 votes

And when a game gets hard you give up?

To me that is what pushes me to try even harder then what i thought was possible before. if i cant win at 100% ill give it 110% and if thats still not enough then i loose knowing i tryed my hardest for my team and did the best i could do.

World KingJul 31, 20184 votes

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DeafRuneJul 31, 20181 votes

Its not a issue on values its following the rules set by the game. Also the tos is what dictates the values set by the game not players.

AneirinJul 31, 20184 votes

You've been told multiple times that it's not against the rules. If you aren't going to listen to anyone why bother posting on a discussion board?

DeafRuneJul 31, 20181 votes

Noone has yet to say how giving up and surrendering isnt against the rules. I dont see how you would expect anyone to find a point made without a point given.

AneirinJul 31, 20184 votes

Umbral Regent made a pretty good explanation. Why don't you explain to us why you think Riot intentionally coded and provided a feature designed to get you banned?

DeafRuneJul 31, 20181 votes

Thats what i want to know, i would assume a comunication mishap between the game design team.

ZackTheWaffleManJul 31, 20181 votes

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And when a game gets hard you give up?

if the probability of winning becomes astronomically small, yes

PresBushDid711Jul 31, 20183 votes

.... actually there are run rules in baseball in some leagues, as well as softball. In both tennis and golf a player can resign with out penalty. In MMA you can tap out.

Likewise, in games where you can't just stop playing... say NFL, NBA and NHL there is a set time limit to the game.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 31, 20182 votes

The intent is for when a game is already clearly lost with no way to come back: someone has more kills than there are minutes in the game, only Nexus turrets are up for you while the enemy team has all of theirs, and other, similarly unwinnable scenarios. In essence, the purpose is for when the game is over already, and destroying the nexus is merely a formality.

Unfortunately, it's too often used because the game merely isn't going well.

World KingJul 31, 20181 votes

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DeafRuneJul 31, 20181 votes

1: You probably shouldent promote people breaking the rules of the game. 2: Even if all of my team is breaking the rules that doesent mean i should, Just because your adc flames you doesent mean you should flame him back right?

World KingJul 31, 20186 votes

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DeafRuneJul 31, 20181 votes

How is it not against the rules though? If you look at the definition of surrendering it is to give up, which is literally the first thing that riot listed in the report menu.

I dont even see how you could try to argue that surrendering isnt giving up. It would be like trying to argue going afk in the middle of a match isnt going afk.

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