Please Bring back Tribunal

FrankenBoogie·12/5/2019, 8:06:15 PM·112 votes·20,031 views

Having to deal with extremely toxic and inting/griefing players has to be the most frustrating part of this game its rare to go more than 2 games without having these type of individuals in a game. WHAT does riot do to punish players more effectively?

How is "this" so called algorithm more efficient than tribunal?

this is just my opinion, but when tribunal was removed there was a spike in the amount of toxic players in the league community. which if I'm not mistaken falls around season 4-5.

Should tribunal make a comeback?

88 Comments

Bardmageddon12/5/2019, 8:11:52 PM31 votes

"we removed Tribunal because people would just press "punish" to get rewards" -RIOT

Then remove the rewards. I know RIOT failed at Social Studies, but this argument is just plain stupid

Umbral Regent12/5/2019, 8:20:36 PM23 votes

One of the biggest issues with the idea of bringing back the Tribunal to deal with trolls and intentional feeders is that players are sorely unreliable at discerning legitimate trolling/intentional feeding; people will eagerly vilify someone for simply underperforming, since they'd rather push blame on someone "intentionally" ruining their game rather than face the possibility that they might have been a factor in their own loss.

To that end...

...its rare to go more than 2 games without having these type of individuals in a game.

I really doubt that you're dealing with trolls or intentional feeders nearly every other game. It's extremely unlikely that you'd legitimately run into trolls and the like so frequently, and even if it were the case, one would think you would take a break and wait for another time to play.

How is "this" so called algorithm more efficient than tribunal?

Well, let's start with the obvious. The Tribunal required players to function, and not many people actively cared to weigh in on Tribunal cases. Whereas the IFS doesn't need people to review and deliberate and vote on people's behavior - it just receives a report, reviews the behavior, and punishes accordingly.

On top of that, not needing people to review the behavior means that the IFS is infinitely faster than the Tribunal could've ever hoped to be. The Tribunal was slow as all unholy hell (not helped in the least by the low player participation) and built up a massive backlog. The IFS works through far, far more cases than the Tribunal did and in much less time.

And the Tribunal at one point had to be incentivized through Influence Point rewards for reaching a majority vote - and that panned out terribly, with people simply mass-voting to punish for the IP gains. The IFS avoids that inaccuracy and the need to be incentivized, because it's programmed to just work.

Should tribunal make a comeback?

Frankly, no. The Tribunal was iceboxed for a reason, and it's an outdated, inefficient system. And in regards to trolling and intentionally feeding cases, I would much prefer an automated system that errs on the side of caution than a system that allows players to decide whether or not something is trolling/feeding.

The system we have right now could certainly be much better at detecting trolling and intentionally feeding, but it's certainly better than what we'd have if we let players decide.

zPOOPz12/5/2019, 8:17:28 PM8 votes

I can count on my 1 hand the number of times I even have the need to report anyone the last 100 games I played. I don't see as much toxicity as people claimed in my games.

It's kind of funny you chose to use the word "efficient" as the reason why Tribubal should come back. Did you know that "efficiency" was the EXACT reason why Tribunal was scrapped in the first place in favor of this new IFS?

If Tribunal returns, you will see even MORE toxicity in your games because then less and less and less people will be punished and removed from the game than they are now.

ModPrandine12/6/2019, 12:16:55 AM8 votes

No, the system we have now (which was made with data gathered from the Tribunal) while not perfect is far more effective than the Tribunal ever was. From Riot Tantram:

Actually, not.

The tribunal was pretty slow. So slow, that it couldn't keep up with the number of cases coming in. By the time we shut it down, people were being penalized many months .. maybe more .. after the behavior.

Maybe by the time the player was penalized they are no longer exhibiting that behavior?

But certainly, the feedback loop is so long that reform from a penalty is highly unlikely because the individual won't remember the game.

Arammus12/6/2019, 8:09:53 AM2 votes

you know the game is going downhill hardcore when a thread asking to bring back the tribunal gets a total of over 70 upvotes from that kind of ppl that said for years "the tribunal was shit"

well after years of riot not doing (enough)/anything people seem to be sick of it. who saw that coming... raises hand oh, me :D