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The scariest thing this whole Singed support thing has shown me, Is that false reports do count.

Packun Flower··3 votes·1,012 views

In my opinion, I do not believe the Singed main deserved to be banned for picking an off-meta pick as per the Summoner code. Do I believe he was toxic about it? probably not considering he just often started the match with /muteall. Then again there has no been official response from Riot on the situation, just an automated support ticket message So who knows in the end my opinion could be clearly wrong. Regardless one thing is clear, this whole situation might not have ever happened had he not been reported, and picking an off-meta pick should not have gotten him reported to begin with.

But it did. If he truly was just off-meta picking there should be no harm, and those reports against him should have been false, thus ignored. But it was brought to Riot's attention anyway and the ban was issued regardless. Does that mean that the reporting system simply decided to accept those false reports simply because there was an overwhelming number of them against his account? It could possibly be, I can't give you an honest answer because I'm not a Riot employee and if I was I would probably be trained not to give you an honest answer anyway.

It's actually really scary when this kind of situation happens. It's a situation where we have the Summoner Code vs The System and when the system seems to be winning it paints a pretty terrifying picture of what our rights as the player base truly are. On the one hand, if he was super toxic towards his team while playing the games then sure, he deserved the ban, on the other hand if he was not and just picked off-meta and had a bad game that got him reported then I will choose to vote for him. I personally see it as putting the system to the test using the summoners code when this happens. How far will the system go to punish a player even of that player is innocent? No system is ever perfect so what is the limits to the report system we have now? This situation might actually be showing us what those limits are and that could be scary.

Just some food for thought and some random banter.

18 Comments

Sarutobi10 votes

But you are under the impression that he was only ban for off meta which wasn't ever the case. Plus you seem to only think that being toxic is only with words, let alone the fact that just because he mute all doesn't mean that he could still type and those players can still see what he wrote.

As far as I know he was ban mainly for not being cooperative with his team. He purposely queued up without regaurd of his teammates. He queued for support but ended up playing Jungle again without communicating with his teammates. Especially in a rank match this is a big no-no. That's a huge problem with this game because in order for competitive game like this to work you need to communicate.

warpenguin5557 votes

They were not false reports. He was refusing to work with his team. Roles are assigned for a reason. He jungled when he got support and refused to play the role he got.

Adrian Blackbear3 votes

If he started every game with a mute all, that is very telling. He wants to avoid communicating with his team because he knows they don't agree with his pick or playstyle. That on its own is a refusal to communicate with his team in productive way.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

It depends on how you are punished to determine if a report is false or not. Playing something off-meta or trolling will not get you banned unless someone at Riot bans you manually. Chat related things use virtually no context, so those can be false. The Singed guy getting banned is fairly ridiculous as Riot did so because he was "affecting players negatively", but they will never punish feeders for that.

DemothHymside2 votes

Except when they do ban feeders, as you can see by just browsing this board

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

Only if its done consistently and clearly intentionally.

Best MasterYl NA1 votes

yea this issue is pretty big and left a bad taste in my mouth, the majority of people giving the guy shit are in bronze or silver (i made a post on here, checked everyones ranks just to see and they were ALL bronze and silver besides one guy) they were giving me shit saying singed suport is troll but there noobs so we have the largest most vocal part, most NOOB part of the community trying to tell us how to play, meanwhile they look up guides and videos on youtube from people who create new roles and builds......and riot listens to them because there is more of them....sigh i dont even know what to say besides that all these "roles and builds" are invented by individuals, then popularized by pros, then copied by noobs...........really wtf riot

AdeBug1 votes

Except riot doesn't listen to us, forum posters bronzies. They listened to plat or goldies that reported him. Our opinion is not law. This is a forum/board. No petitions were being signed here to ban for off meta or no comms from this point on.

Best MasterYl NA1 votes

why is 90% of the complainers bronze and silver then?

AdeBug1 votes

my point is it doesn't matter what we are hre on forum, we're just opinionating about smth that happened at a ~plat level that's already been decided by riot.

Jorencice1 votes

Maybe because 63% of all leauge players are bronze/silver? And another 26% is in gold.

So yea. You have a 85% chance of talking to someone gold or lower on the forumns...

Again.

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DrCyanide1 votes

I've seen a Singed Support single handedly keep his team in the game despite their ADC disconnecting. It can be a fine and pick if you know what you're doing.

The issue wasn't Singed Support, it was Singed "Support". It was going into game and not supporting, not telling your team you're not supporting, and giving your team no clue how to play around your pick. He could have done the same thing with Leona, Sona, Nami, or any meta support and he would have ended up in the same place.

Obviously it wasn't a Bronze/Silver problem, as he wasn't playing with Bronze/Silver players.

Horse Grenades1 votes

No they don't

Dominick Destine1 votes

The scariest thing this whole Singed support thing has shown me, Is that false reports do count

I was hit with a zero-to-permaban based solely on the amount of reports I received.

You cannot be surprised that the draconian system functions in this manner..... though to be fair I'd report a troll picker too if it was ranked.

HexaDecimel1 votes

Your account was locked and instructions sent for you to contact support to get them to reopen it. It was also found that you were being toxic and punishment for all the reports was required.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Your account was locked

Nope, it specifically said "Permanently suspended" and I received an email saying I was banned. Riot members referred to my account as "banned" as well.

You can pretend otherwise but the facts remain. The draconian system needs to be changed.

TrulyBland1 votes

Yeah, I got permanently suspended before as well. It wasn't a punishment though, and neither was yours.

N Pelosi1 votes

I strongly disagree with the reasoning they used to hand out the ban, but the reports were not false by any means. The player did exactly what people reported him for. They reported behavior they didn't like and in an act of group think got someone banned.

It was really more, we are getting a number of reports that mark this account as an outlier. We better ban it to appease the masses. Now have someone make up a reason for the ban.

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