Just because people were punished doesn't justify trashtalking them down in here

Eternal Torment·12/12/2017, 9:04:29 AM·8 votes·812 views

WARNING This is mostly a pure personal rant i really needed to let out because i think people should hear this at some point. I apologize in advancd for unpleasantries.

TL;DR: This Sub-Board exists to help people find their faults and correct them on it, not further shame them for being punished, thus encouraging future toxicity.

Long version... Player-Behaviour as a Subboard mainly exists so People can talk about the Behaviours and moral structures aswell as the Rules concerning said Behaviour. It is defined that people come here to ask what went wrong, how is it their fault and what chances do they have to redempt. In other words, This place was meant to br constructive feedback on individuals.

However, more and more people are just shanking one anothers and direly worsening the cases, Falsely interpreting shanking as critizism.

I believe part of Such comes from an misuneerstanding in the supposted Idea of Hinting, Correcting and giving Feedbacks. And THAT comes from an false interpretation from Active Factors like Riot Tantram. You see, He might be savage on impression but he is really just doing his work as polite as possible. He tells people who REALLY can't face the truth to do it and even when his nerves& Patience are challenged harder than the Yasuo mains are with the upcoming buff, he still remains calm and very constructive on his topics.

However, most people interpret his appearance as an unholy roast-Festival and it ends up very much promoting downtalk and hatred against the OPs. Sure, not rarely is it their fault and they might deserve it, but that doesnt mean we should follow up on it every chance we get.

How do we expect others to better themselves if we are no better either? How is this Subboard Supposted to work if only in the mild cases people consider neutral ground?

If an OP here has trouble seeing it is his mistake then we should build on it and work it through like civilized Human creatures not duke it out like starving sharks.

We should stop being wannabe-savages and actually try to do the first step in diminishing toxicity and not set any and all chance of redemption in flames. PB wasn't meant to be a home for escaping responsibilities is what i think. People who come here want to know what to do better and what not to do next times. How do we deserve not to be banned just like them for throwing it at them that if they are toxic they should leave and what not.

Again, how do we expect others to get better if we cant live up to the picture of being better?

Rant over

18 Comments

Sarutobi12/12/2017, 11:54:07 AM6 votes

If people are legitimately looking for help, or help understand why they got punished I'd agree with you. But the fact of the matter is that 9 times out of 10, the people coming here dont want help, they just want to vent, and that is not the point of these forums. Now im not saying we should be toxic towards these people, but if they dont want help they really shouldnt be here. Let alone when people who try to help and give detailed information as to why, they get called out by the TC for "Riding Riot's Dick" or something much more stupid.

The only thing i dislike from the community for those who try to help is when they just leave comments like: "You were toxic", or "You broke the rules" this doesnt help the person understand why they were punished, and while there are mods/other people who do leave detailed information on why people were ban, it would be nice if everyone did it. But we also shouldnt be called out when doing it just because we are pointing out why they were punished!

Karunamon12/12/2017, 2:31:39 PM3 votes

If an OP here has trouble seeing it is his mistake then we should build on it and work it through like civilized Human creatures not duke it out like starving sharks.

If that were the case even most of the time I could see this, but more often than not, the thread starter is possessed of an extremely thick head and will jump through all kinds of mental hoops to justify why telling their shitty team to kill themselves is okay. And that's not counting the times when they straight-up lie (to which Tantram usually comes by and delivers an extremely satisfying cherry-flavored summoner 11)

50% of the time, people know exactly what they did and why they were punished, they just want to come here and bitch about the fact they got caught.

25% of the time, people know exactly what they did and why they were punished, but their understanding of the IFS (it's not exactly intuitive) is lacking and so they don't know why they received the punishment they did.

24% of the time, people don't know what they did or why they were punished, and the people here seem pretty good on explaining how and why they got the justified smackdown they did

1% of the time, probably less, someone got a ban they didn't deserve.

Pandemic Punch12/12/2017, 9:17:48 AM3 votes

Yep! Isn't it ironic how toxic the unpunished people are? lol

Wínters Dawn12/12/2017, 9:54:20 AM2 votes

People like to act and be percieved like they are good. They'll put on the "ya toxicity is not welcome in our game, act like a decent human being" mask and act high and mighty on the forums and if you follow them into a game they are either all out raging at people or just low key trolling cause they got mad. People on the internet are all the same 9 times out of 10

Telephone Booth12/13/2017, 6:41:56 AM1 votes

It's the same concept that should be applied to everything, and the Bible holds it as a high quality. It's not judging people. It's having some understanding. I'm not a religious person, but I learned the value of the messages that the Bible teaches a long time ago. It's hard to follow them, but if we all did, the world would be such a better place. And it must be applied everywhere... even places you might not think.

Chermorg12/12/2017, 7:33:00 PM1 votes

I strongly agree with what you're saying here. I think the biggest issue for me is that we do also want people to have a place to voice their legitimate concerns - as someone always told me "It's okay for others to be wrong". If they think that the punishment system is absolute shit? They can post that, and if they want to tell people "you're not getting unbanned because it's shit", that may be very wrong but it's not against the rules. We can not and should not stifle one side of a discussion simply because they're wrong - that's what we use upvotes/downvotes for is to get the good answers to the top of discussion view.

That being said, there are comments that are borderline that appear. Things like "you deserve the ban" without much context, etc. Those types of comments are also wrong in my opinion as they do not provide any information to the OP about why the punishment occurred or how to contest it/avoid it in the future. However, the comments themselves are merely expressing an opinion - and as I said we should not try and censor peoples' opinions. I've been thinking about ways to encourage players to post more constructively here, and with some new additions to the moderation team coming in the next weeks I think we may be able to make progress on this type of post that is nonconstructive and low effort. The issue is that the problem is widespread and constant and I did not want to try and begin managing it until I thought we had the manpower to handle the posts - if you have a hole in a dam and you patch half the hole but leave the other half open, there's still a hole in the dam.

Basically, I didn't want us to get behind on this type of thing and then have people wondering where the line was. I would like us to draw a clear line and moderate this type of low effort spam around it - but to do that requires us to discuss a little more some specifics. I can't promise any changes will be made that are visible to everyone - it may just be slightly stricter moderation, or something else - but I can promise you that we are talking about things like this and are constantly looking for ways to improve the boards :)

nerak2312/12/2017, 7:52:04 PM1 votes

I think this thread is getting nowhere fast and becoming a verbal boxing match.

To start with LAWS don't matter in this game contexts because we all agreed to the tOS.

Mild consistent negative remarks in game hurt the gameplay and make the games no fun. This is against the rules and does get punished.

As for helping people on this board, of course that is what it's meant for. However there are a lot of players that ask for help but really just want to argue until they get someone to agree with there misbehaviour.

Then there are trolls who come on to spread disinformation just to harm the game, misinform players to get them into trouble in game.


I'm not saying comments like, enjoy the ban are acceptable but they are understandable sometimes.

A few more things Never harass the troll in game it gets you no where.

What others say to you in games matter to you and the other players who read it. Doesn't give anyone the right to be toxic back.

And throwing around a poster rank or such history is harassment, take me for instance this account is almost never used other then at times to get current and help others. This is not my only account just the one I started posting with, so looking at that isn't going to tell you anything. players can understand how the system works w/o being good at playing

Finally IMO Riot should be harder quicker and stop allowing poster to out right lie and abuse the staff.

I apology if I offend anyone as I'm not pointing at anyone poster.

Have a great day.