I killed a player who was behind due to being AFK in the start of a game. Was i in the wrong?

BommyCN·1/23/2019, 9:55:19 PM·56 votes·18,090 views

I played ADC against an MF and Lux going bot, i quickly noticed the MF was missing. About 10 mins into the game MF came to bottom lane lvl 1 and tried to farm. I played lucian so i picked up an easy kill on her twice. Then i got flamed by the enemy team and one player from my team. Saying i was bad and how i had to kill AFK players. I told them i had no responsibility over MF being AFK and if anything they should be mad at her for being AFK. Was i in the wrong? It was a ranked game.

112 Comments

Jon Moxley1/23/2019, 9:56:35 PM50 votes

That depends. If it was in ranked you did the right thing. If it was a normal, u're a d*ckhead, but nothing too desperate.

Jamaree1/23/2019, 10:08:35 PM40 votes

If it’s a normal, it’s a dick move but not really on you to keep them connected.

If ranked, fuck that nerd up, you are there to win and keeping your opponent from getting back in is the best way to win.

Arngrim311/23/2019, 10:28:29 PM33 votes

If someone is afk on the enemy team then that's their problem. It's a ranked game, take advantage of it and win.

Oleandervine1/23/2019, 10:15:03 PM15 votes

I don't think it's wrong in the scope of the game. In terms of chivalry and fair competition, sure, it's a very murky area, but in this game you are not obligated to hold these ideals. As many said, in ranked, take whatever bone comes your way. You're free to do the same in Normals, but generally adhering to good nature and fairness is better when the stakes aren't that high.

ModCaptainMårvelous1/24/2019, 2:10:09 AM12 votes

Reminds me of an old war "story" or proverb or something:

A young man is walking in enemy territory during a war. He sees an old man, off guard, wearing the enemy's uniform. The young soldier aims his weapon but can't bring himself to pull the trigger because he finds no honor in it. He stows his gun and sets off. Later that night the man is sleeping in camp when he's ambushed. The last thing he sees is the old man aiming his gun at him.

In a competition, anyone will exploit any weakness they see or any advantage they could take. While honor is nice, realism is also fair and sometimes it's their fault for being in that situation. It sucks, for sure, but just think that someone would make this post about you for being AFK.

ı Sona ı1/23/2019, 10:20:45 PM11 votes

No, you weren't wrong. Play to win.

Draught of Souls1/24/2019, 1:33:17 AM9 votes

Literally no one in the right mind is going to flame you for killing someone who just came back to the match for whatever reason. I do that, you do it, we all do it. It is their fault for not being there.

Jo0o1/23/2019, 10:08:39 PM9 votes

I believe it is well within the parameters of sportsmanship to seize any advantage presented by the opposing team. This is true across virtually all sports and games.

Inkling Commando1/23/2019, 11:35:04 PM6 votes

unlike the other assholes in the comments, you should let the player catch up a tiny bit. last night an Ashe teleported to me at level 1 when i was 6 so i made a cease fire agreement with them. i would not kill them if they did not attack me. i let them catch up to 8 and i was at 12 then we went after each other.

"play to win"

winning doesn't mean shit without sportsmanship. do the right thing and show the enemy some respect.

Syrile1/24/2019, 10:42:33 AM6 votes

As for the comments about "letting someone catch up" You know what is really unsportsmanlike? Going afk. Worse though, expecting someone to "let you catch up" because you made a poor decision. It is no one else's fault in that game and certainly not your enemies fault.

Light Burner1/24/2019, 10:36:45 AM6 votes

to all the players saying its unsportsman that you didnt let them catch up, next time theres an afk in your game go sit in the fountain and afk on your team so its 4v4 keep it fair dont be a "dick".

Dirty Bastard1/24/2019, 5:01:01 PM5 votes

My opinion is that they should not queue if they cannot be there. It is MF's fault for being AFK why should you hold back and potentially lose a game for your team out of the kindness of your heart?

It is a competitive game, not a charity.

RonryTeemo1/24/2019, 5:06:03 PM5 votes

Kill them. If you choose to play nice and let them catch up, you are just telling/showing them it is ok to afk and waste everyone else's time. They afked, they should be punished. MF is one of those champs too where if you let em stay in the game, they are always one ult from acing your team and making a huge push..

Akali Prime1/24/2019, 4:06:58 AM4 votes

nope. kill away.

OctopusBeard1/24/2019, 8:06:13 PM4 votes

I would stroke my neckbeard and say "M'lady I shall not punish you for being afk in a ranked game." tips fedora

If you don't play to win in a ranked game then whats the point? Just give up and play normals if you're gonna grief by not smashing that MF into oblivion. Stop white knighting and destroy the player that dared to cross you on the rift and at the end of the game tell em to get better internet.

Kupoe1/24/2019, 11:05:33 AM3 votes

ITT: Afkers trying to justify why they go afk, and everyone else telling them they are wrong.

Meredith Stout1/24/2019, 1:48:48 PM3 votes

10min AFK and enemy team didn't remake? You did the right thing buddy dw.

Arisen Valkyrie1/24/2019, 2:14:04 PM3 votes

I say it's better to keep her out of the game and letting her team just move on to the next game. No reason to prolong the inevitable, and that's in a norms. For a ranked game? Pshhh take your advantages, her team didn't remake after all.

UlyssesISR1/24/2019, 3:17:58 PM3 votes

That's entirely on them for queing into a game then going AFK.

Telephone Booth1/23/2019, 11:25:47 PM3 votes

HELL NO you werent in the wrong.

Saezio1/24/2019, 12:30:41 AM3 votes

Next time in ranked someone on your team flames you about it ask them if they want you to feed the kill back or afk yourself to make it fair. Talk about empy words jesus christ. It is all a facade anyway is it not? Play to win in ranked, or your team has an actual reason to report you. I mean next time just tell them : Every time I kill an afk player I donate 1$ to charity, WHAT'S THE MORAL GROUND ON THAT NOW B*TCHES?

This is a semi-ironic post do not take it too seriously :) And please don't moderate because of profanity :( I even put a *

fatherdarius1/24/2019, 1:38:20 AM3 votes

Practicing with your 5-man premade? In a scrim? Playing a custom game among friends at a LAN party (do people still have LAN parties)? Let 'em catch up. It'll make the game more fun for everyone involved. Hell, in custom ya might as well restart the match.

In a normals/draft match? Play to win, unless EVERYONE on your team wants to let the enemy 'catch up'. For fun. For science. For sportsmanship. Whatever. But your team should agree.

Ranked. Play to win. Doubly so. You're there to compete.

What about in LCS? If someone's Ethernet cable/port takes a giant crap while on stage, officials will pause the match. Unfortunately, we can't do that in normals/ranked with an AFK. So the fairest thing to do for all involved is continue playing to win.


One way to look at it:

I play racquetball.

Lets say I've jacked up my right hand/arm. But I still wanna play with my buddies. We might agree that everyone plays with their non-dominant arm. Or that my buddy will take it easy on me because my arm is screwed up (or vice versa if his hand is bandaged). These are friendly, gentlemanly games. We want things to be fair.

But let's say we're competing for a club title or in an amateur's tournament. I'm not going to expect anyone to take it easy on me, and I'm not going to take it easy on them. If my hand's jacked up, I'm gonna bandage it and play through the pain anyway.

Alternately, you're quarterback at football practice. You're shoulder is screwed up. Your teammates take it easy on you because you're not in tip-top shape. You work on other things like plays, strats, etc because you're healing up. But when you injure your shoulder during a playoff game? You demand a giant lidocain injection from the team doc, and you play your heart out. The other team may be a great positive team, and show good sportsmanship, but I guarantee they will NOT take it easy on you. High-school to NFL, it's the same.

Same applies to league.

The way I see it: picking off a weak enemy isn't any more or less sportsmanlike than double-teaming the fed enemy or even 3, 4 or 5v1-ing them.

It's nothing personal, it's just good strategy.

While it may seem like good sportsmanship to let them catch up, it's bad sportsmanship toward your own team. And the thing is, you never really know why they AFKd. Power outage? Temporary Rage quit? Had to take an emergency bio break? Bad Internet? Not your fault, not your problem.

420 grams1/23/2019, 10:59:10 PM3 votes

Depends on your goal of the game. If you're playing to win, you did the right thing. If you're playing to be a good sportsman, then you should've let them catch up.

Baron Barian1/24/2019, 4:15:50 AM3 votes

Would've been much more of a gray area in a normal game, but you can't really afford to let your teammates lose mmr because you hold back. It's unfortunate for the other team, but that one player really should've made sure he was able to play a ranked game.

Helghans templar1/24/2019, 5:21:17 AM3 votes

No you're not, they were over reacting. Afk is a bad thing in ranked sure, but doesn't mean people should give them a free pass to catch up. Being a competitive game it's almost like a mini war game, would you hold off a push of attack if they fail to prepare in time? No you go in for the glory no matter how dirty they think it is. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

boricCentaur11/23/2019, 10:27:14 PM3 votes

I mean if it was a normal then yeah but ranked hell no you play to win at any means.

Syrile1/24/2019, 10:40:46 AM3 votes

Thing is... It is a competitive game. There is a winner and a loser. If you go afk in a game, you deserve the penalty. Play to win.

Sp33d Zer01/25/2019, 12:05:04 AM2 votes

BM? Yeah. Wrong? No.

Pisces StarChild1/24/2019, 3:59:09 AM2 votes

Nope. You were not wrong at all. That person afk-ed for whatever reason so it's on them. Just because someone reacts negatively based on their moral code doesn't make it right. They're free to react however they did. You have pretty much the same right yourself and you should be content with it.

OneMustFall1/24/2019, 6:42:42 AM2 votes

Nobody else will show you the same level of honor they demand of you. Fuck that bitch up.

Kimuto1/24/2019, 9:02:18 AM2 votes

I would do the same to take that advantage because you will sooner or later have teammates like that.

DreamTwerks1/24/2019, 2:24:39 PM2 votes

Well. I dont play rankeds so for what i saw in normals you can be a f*** and go on, but i would kill them. since they do always the same with my team, they tryhard to win 4v5. then do the same.

if you AFK its because you wanted. he was in lane? kill him, he didnt went down or something, when you're disconnected you go to base. then no need to be worried about it

The23rdGamer1/24/2019, 4:07:39 PM2 votes

I would say abusing your level advantage due to them being AFK is perfectly fine and to be expected. After all, a lot of players (especially in higher ELOs) will exploit an "early level 2," or essentially getting level two before your opponent and punishing them for it as it stands.

Example: I watched a match where Faker on Jayce and his Camille jungle were level four while his opponent, an Ekko, was genuinely level 1 still. Granted this wasn't a case of the Ekko being AFK and it was just playing well on Faker and his jungler's part, but still -- they played competitively because that's why you play this game.

I'd say overall you kind of have to honor your obligation to be competitive. Sure, it feels awful to lose because your teammate was AFK but that's not something anyone can really control. It doesn't feel any better to throw the match just to give the AFK player a better chance either: you lose and your whole team feels awful for throwing a pretty free win, you win and the other team feels bad that they got screwed without being able to do anything about it.

xAcidik1/24/2019, 4:12:18 PM2 votes

You're definitely not in the wrong. Why give up an advantage that you have in a competitive environment? It sucks for that person, especially if it wasn't their fault, but things happen. She wasn't catching up, there's no way, and letting her catch up is actually griefing.

Frontline Fury1/24/2019, 4:20:05 PM2 votes

In normal games it’s alright to be civil and let her play the game (imagine the frustration if struggling to reconnect for an entire ten minutes) but you’re still perfectly allowed to kill her. It’s arguably the right thing to do for the sake of your team. Sportsmanship doesn’t win wars.

The game is about killing and winning - like you said you’re not to blame for her being disconnected. If it’s a ranked game, letting her get into the game would be straight up assisting the enemy team - hunt her down! You don’t want to give them a chance at a comeback.

Enorize1/24/2019, 8:20:49 PM2 votes

Either normal or ranked, it's not a problem, you did right, it's their own fault, they should blame mf not you, and I'm sure if you were the one beeing afk even in normal, they wouldn't have any mercy on you, happened to me too a lot!

P3rspective1/24/2019, 8:55:00 PM2 votes

If they were in your shoes, trust me, they would've taken advantage of the situation.

It's simply the natural response.