Defining Intentional Feeding

Hufflepuff·2/11/2017, 9:34:07 PM·1 votes·938 views

Hello all,

So I had a game several days ago in which my support absolutely refused to buy a sightstone and ward for our team. This resulted in several bad situations: ganks, catch outs, poorly positioned team fights, etc. I asked her why thought buying one was not necessary and tried to explain how important vision is. She still refused, despite me correlating the team's recent deaths to vision (the deaths were mostly bot-side), saying something along the lines of, "I don't care, a locket is going to help more in a team fight than vision."

Where does this and other instances in which players who play extremely poorly, who ignore the team and refuse to communicate, cross the line into intentional feeding? Should there be a special category for reporting this? I don't know... It is very frustrating.

14 Comments

Maximum Morde2/11/2017, 9:36:06 PM4 votes

Buying a sightstone is not a requirement or else we'd start with one. Item purchases are at the sole discretion of each individual player. I repeat, It is NOT a reportable offense.

Kitty Cat Tosha2/11/2017, 9:42:54 PM4 votes

"Refusing to be educated" is not the same as intentionally feeding. That player was just genuinly convinced he or she was doing the right thing. He may have been wrong, but being wrong is not intentional feeding.

Intentionally feeding is well, intentionally feeding. Not "being misinformed and misguided but still trying" feeding, but "I know how to play but I'm gonna fuck you all over" feeding.

Kei1432/11/2017, 9:39:38 PM3 votes

{quoted}

Where does this and other instances in which players who play extremely poorly, who ignore the team and refuse to communicate, cross the line into intentional feeding?

It never crosses that line.

GeminiRune2/11/2017, 9:44:36 PM2 votes

Refusal to buy a Sightstone would not classify or directly correlate to intentionally feeding. Even though lacking vision is a dangerous situation for any team, it is not something in particular that is reportable as any one member of the team (best alternative: Jungle not using Tracker Knife) could fill the need for a Sightstone.

Snowman Arc2/11/2017, 10:09:33 PM2 votes

I mean, Sightstone is only useful as long as the team can take advantage of the extra vision. If you are in silver, where people don't abuse it, then it can be a useless item, or at least not necessary. The support can be right; the locket could lead to a victory far easier than a Sightstone, since it's easier to use and more effective when it matters.

If you won that game, you'd probably wouldn't make this post. You are only doing it because you lost.

EDIT: Also, if you think that Sightstone is mandatory, because "every pro is doing it", then that's not reason enough. If your excuse is that you think this is the smartest thing to do, then maybe you should also report people playing non-meta picks, since no one uses them in pro play.

Hufflepuff2/12/2017, 5:49:32 PM1 votes

{quoted}

No, I would consider it "uncurable stupidity", facepalm and move on. It's the sort of stupidity that will prevent them from climbing in the long run, while for me it was only that one game - so does not affect me as much.

I would consider this more of a "the MMR system will take care of him", rather than it being punishment worthy.

Damn. You's right. Thank you for your post and your insight!

{quoted}

So firstly, let's go back to definitions. Griefing is intentionally trying to piss someone off. It starts from having a negative attitude towards a specific game.

Are they "refusing, so I can upset you" or are they "refusing, cos I believe what I'm doing is right"?

In your specific case, your support sounds like they feel locket is better in team fights. Which is them doing it cos believe they are doing the right thing. Could they be purposefully pissing you off as well? yes, that's a possiblity, which brings it into a grey area when it comes to intent.

But in your specific case, would it ever cross the line from grey area into purposefully griefing to the point it was punishable? Nope. It'll never cross the line. At least not your specific case.

Will there be another case where it crosses the line? yes, and those typically are really obvious, like building 'blue shen' where the player got punished shortly after that game.

I see what you're saying about Griefing. Does Riot have an explicit definition anywhere, that you know of? I think that would really help me clear things up here. I do understand your reasoning and everything, though. The other commenter, Tosha, made a solid point as well. This area is too ambiguous for the Report System, so the eventual loss of MMR will be punishment enough.