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Finally, honor lvl 2 after a 14 day ban. Here are my thoughts on honor progression.

forist·5/14/2018, 12:50:45 AM·13 votes·12,897 views
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More proof, for anyone skeptical:

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Anyways, after being banned last preseason around November 14th, I have finally gotten my honor level back up to level 2. It has taken me 7 months to do it, and it wasn't easy. This account was playing mostly in high plat and low diamond and only ranked for the past 7 months which is literally a cesspool of ego and toxicity. But, now that I can finally receive rewards, I want to give my thoughts on the honor system in regards to players who have suffered a punishment.

First of all, the system is too punishing. Having 2 levels below normal honor level is too much, imo. This makes climbing take twice as long. So, maybe we don't really need an honor level 0. Just a thought.

Secondly, it takes too long for honor to progress in the lower levels. It took me 7 months to climb from honor lvl 0-2, but on my smurf account I'm almost honor level 4 with a fraction of the amount of games played that my main has. Maybe make the honor level progress a little quicker or make your progress more visible so that people do not get discouraged when it takes forever to get back their honor.

Lastly, I think honor received in ranked matches should be worth much more than honor in normal matches. Ranked is usually where people are trying harder and therefore much more emotional than in other ques. So, it stands to reason that players should be rewarded more for keeping their cool in ranked matches that are usually much more likely to result in toxicity and flame.

I notice a lot of people posting on here saying that they rarely encounter toxic players or any toxicity, and when I check their match history 90% of the time I find almost all normals and/or usually a very low elo in ranked with very little games. Now, I'm not trying to rank-shame or anything like that, but please understand two important things about competition and toxicity:

  1. The less competitive the game mode the much less likely that players will be toxic.
  2. The higher elo you are the much more likely players will be toxic due to their own ego.

Once again, I am not trying to shame anyone or call anyone out on here. I'm simply trying to address the problems I see with the honor and punishment system as a "reformed" player. I also wanted to give my thoughts on people who are more or less defending the system without actually experiencing the most toxic environments and higher levels of competition this game has to offer or even experiencing the punishment system first hand by being punished.

Please, before writing me off as salty or toxic, please think about what I am saying here and try to look at it from more than one perspective. Try putting yourself in the shoes of a player who has been recently punished and now has to deal with this slow and taxing system riot has put in place in order to "reform" and regain your imaginary honor points and be eligible for rewards and clash.

55 Comments

Awf Meta5/14/2018, 2:55:17 AM10 votes

It appears, it took me 274 games to go from level 1-30. Rough math says that comes out to about 5.7 days play time. Playing 1 hour a day, would take about 137 days to reach level 30.

So here are the options as pertaining to Clash specifically:

  • Grind for 7 months to recover from "dishonorable"
  • Grind for a week or two to get level 30 on a new account
  • Buy a new account

It's fucked up. This system is only hurting decent people.

Saezio5/14/2018, 1:46:43 AM5 votes

The honor system is problematic by definition to be honest. You mentioned your smurf with very small amount of games is level 4 while even if i have received more honor than anyone I know i am still at 4.1 . So it is a very cryptic system. What I agree with mostly is that Honor points should be visible. They keep it hidden because the sheer number of them would make us depressed to know that it took us more than 5k honors to get a single rankup from 3 to 4 while others get it with a TENTH of that. Seriously sometimes the messages on the dropped fragment are hillarious, "Summoners like having you on their team, you have received 93% more honors for keeping calm than the average player" So why the fuck am i getting the same reward? Sometimes the message actually read that "175 of my recent honors are from non premades" and i got 1 fragment, same as my brother who had the message of "8 of your recent honors were from non premades" From what you say my conclusion is that to rank up in honor the AMOUNT of games you play is completely disregarded the same at honor 0 as at honor 2,3,4 etc, the only thing that matters is TIME and you can't make time go faster. Honestly there should be tons of players with level 5 honor by this time, yet we see none. And in my opinion the best way to reform players would be to get MISSIONS regarding honor. if you knew what you needed to do (even if it was hard) you would know how to get your honor back.+ spending more time on it would be worth it For example if you get missions like : Get 100 honors on each category OR Get 3 or more honors in a single game for 20 games. It will seem like a lot but you actually can see the progress.

IcyPepper5/14/2018, 5:02:54 AM2 votes

If it helps, your post is well-reasoned and I'm inclined to agree with you. If "level 2" is the default honor level, it would make sense for players to start at "level 1" when reforming rather have to climb two whole levels.

Ifneth5/14/2018, 4:08:53 PM2 votes

That it takes a long time is sorta the point: it takes time to reform and make the changes stick. Riot doesn’t want to have to punish you again.

There’s also the punitive purpose to it. You got a 14-day ban. Yikes. That shouldn’t just be just a “Oh I’ll play on my smurf a couple weeks” sort of thing. It should really sting and stick to you. You have to admit that you caused a lot of suffering or did something really awful to earn that ban.

But I still see your point. We want to reform players. Here are some ideas:

  1. Make the punishment fit the crime. Any punishment still reduces you to Honor Level 0, but the lighter your punishment, the easier the climb back to Level 2.

  2. Reward immediate change. The lower the Honor rating, the easier it should be to reach. Honor 0-1 should be quick, 0-2 a little slower, 0-3 slower still, and so on for 1-0, 1-1, etc.

  3. State from the beginning that the climb back will be long and offer encouraging messages at each stage. For example, earning Honor 0-1 would yield the message, “It seems you want to change. Good.” Earning 0-2, “You have kept at it. Press on!”

Humble Aatrox5/14/2018, 3:29:02 PM1 votes

tldr But upvoting cause u main talon and that champ is cool as shit

Raije5/14/2018, 3:42:57 PM1 votes

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bronze 5 is a bunch of super happy people just passing honors around and not at all pissed that they are bad and the lowest possible rank.

Smitty Manjensen5/14/2018, 7:08:20 AM1 votes

I disagree for the part where honor takes too long from 0 to 2. You were punished, chat restricted or banned, it should take long for you to climb back, if you are serious about reforming then it won't be problematic however long it takes.

Slice n Dice em5/14/2018, 4:25:10 AM1 votes

Got chat restricted on my main start of last month got honor locked then started from level 1, currently sitting on level 1 second checkpoint. I mean why the fuq is it honor locked in the 1st stage? that already takes 14 to 20 days to get it unlocked and improve after wards. Only playing ARAM's and normal's sheet, I get tilted by retard-ness very easily, in these modes I usually don't give a damn, any ways with the current balance it's not like I am missing much. And I see alot of players with honor level 4 and 3's in ARAM mode. That's just how the mode is free honor level farming. Got honor level 5 last year on my main and honor level 4 on my smurf, by that ARAM farming, probably only took me 2 to 3 months of it. By losing an ARAM you don't lose any thing, you don't lose rank you don't lose LP, so what's there to flame about... nothing.

Happened last year too I got 14 day banned in the start of year or something, took 3-4 months to be able to receive rewards finished with honor level 5. But this time it is awfully taking very long and I only got banned for 4 games out of 29 ranked played. Of course those 4 games I lost, but my team was just plain shit and I could't hold my self from writing the truth and telling what it truly was. Was it worth it, no, should have done it, no, I should have done it in a way system didn't catch, those team-mates truly deserved the flame though. I look back and would still say worth.

The less competitive the game mode the much less likely that players will be toxic. The higher elo you are the much more likely players will be toxic due to their own ego.

That is totally true I complained last year about on EUW boards and the SJW replies I got from sheeters who don't even play ranked. I left that euw boards then, at-least here on NA boards there is more diversity and roam for discussion. Their on EUW boards SJW sheeters are grouped like it's some sort of their hangout place, half of them level 31- level 33 (and no they aren't banned like this account, they just don't play the game), just there to ridicule any one talking sheet about Riot and their bs system.

Kei1435/14/2018, 1:09:42 AM1 votes

From what I see on d1 streams, I don't see much toxicity either.

And l am Ironman5/14/2018, 2:26:07 PM1 votes

And here I'm still stuck at the third checkpoint since the beginning of the season without receiving any penalty