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PSA: Before Making An "I Was Banned for Toxic Behavior" Thread

Reaper Review··38 votes·3,005 views

Consider this: You were banned for being toxic, yes? Then is going to the boards and making an angry thread blaming everyone else really going to solve anything? You're just continuing the same behavior that landed you that ban in the first place.

Read your own chat logs, then pretend you're a stranger having those things said to you. You might just see why this behavior isn't at all productive and just ends up feeding itself.

If you think you can appeal your ban or get it overturned by being aggressive, then you're missing the entire point of the ban. Cool it, and think about it for a moment. If you REALLY wanted to get something done about your ban, the first thing you should be doing is perhaps showing that you can behave in a civilized manner. If more people did this, then maybe Riot would actually consider offering ways to repeal the bans. (If you've heard of the Level 20 Challenge, then yes, Riot HAS considered such things in the past.)

The fact is, as long as people continue to not learn anything from their bans, nothing more will be done with them. If you really want to fight for your account, do so in a way that shows that you actually DESERVE that second chance. I'm not saying you're guaranteed to get it, though. Frankly, the chances of it ARE slim, but that slim chance is still better than the no chance that most leave themselves with.

I've seen too many ban threads all end the exact same way, and for the exact same reasons. It doesn't NEED to be that way if you don't let it.

Edit: Some other helpful/informative threads to have a look at from other banned players:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/L76T1Taa-from-a-banned-player-thinking-about-your-actions (this one's my own thread, but it tells more about my own ban and the aftermath)

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/HE8cdhGE-anger-and-regrets

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/41pnKA5A-permabanned

38 Comments

Astôlfo6 votes

Where else will I get my daily source of amusement from then?

Reaper Review1 votes

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Where else will I get my daily source of amusement from then?

My apologies if my efforts happen to make any noticeable difference and reduce the entertainment you receive.

Astôlfo1 votes

Don't worry, it won't. Those kinds of people never read anything else anyways.

Reaper Review1 votes

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Don't worry, it won't. Those kinds of people never read anything else anyways.

That is how it seems to play out, unfortunately.

I'm really not too different from them, in a way. I was banned for letting my emotions take hold, and now I'm here fighting my ban in my own way. I won't lie about that.

In fact, I wasn't any different from those kinds of people at first. I was continuing to try and vent all my anger at my friends over Skype instead of tacking the problem at its roots. Once they calmed me down and helped me do that, I found a peace I'd lost a while ago, and it was nice to have it back.

Also, in response to that "messiah" remark from earlier, a messiah can be "a zealous leader of a cause" as a general definition. That is fairly accurate, actually, since I am showing zeal for my cause of helping people get the point of all this.

Capt Milkshakes5 votes

Maybe if we grew a set and stopped caring what petty insults were thrown at us, we could look at the real problem: toxic behavior. I would much rather someone be banned because of trolling or the like, than because someone said a mean word. You have a mommy for a reason.

Reaper Review13 votes

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Maybe if we grew a set and stopped caring what petty insults were thrown at us, we could look at the real problem: toxic behavior. I would much rather someone be banned because of trolling or the like, than because someone said a mean word. You have a mommy for a reason.

If it was just petty insults, the problem wouldn't be as bad as it seems to be today, I don't think.

I'm not here to discuss the severity of words, though. I just want people who think the system is treating them wrong to stop for a minute and realize that they're just proving it right is all.

I do agree that gameplay-based trolling needs more to be done against it, but that's not the point of this thread.

Capt Milkshakes4 votes

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If it was just petty insults, the problem wouldn't be as bad as it seems to be today, I don't think.

I'm not here to discuss the severity of words, though. I just want people who think the system is treating them wrong to stop for a minute and realize that they're just proving it right is all.

I do agree that gameplay-based trolling needs more to be done against it, but that's not the point of this thread.

Oh yeah definitely. People are too often all about me me me, even when they're clearly in the wrong.

Reaper Review4 votes

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Oh yeah definitely. People are too often all about me me me, even when they're clearly in the wrong.

I used to be the same way. In fact, the reason I even ended up perma-banned myself was because I thought I could reform on my own if I stubbornly kept playing, ignorant of the actual problems.

You can't do everything yourself. You're welcome to try, but having experienced the issues with it myself, it's not particularly viable.

Capt Milkshakes2 votes

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I used to be the same way. In fact, the reason I even ended up perma-banned myself was because I thought I could reform on my own if I stubbornly kept playing, ignorant of the actual problems.

You can't do everything yourself. You're welcome to try, but having experienced the issues with it myself, it's not particularly viable.

Wise words.

XVgayyJxXo2 votes

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I used to be the same way. In fact, the reason I even ended up perma-banned myself was because I thought I could reform on my own if I stubbornly kept playing, ignorant of the actual problems.

You can't do everything yourself. You're welcome to try, but having experienced the issues with it myself, it's not particularly viable.

actually i've been on my last straw for like 4-5 months now and have yet to have any twitchy feeling to go full blown toxic perm-banned incoming on anyone. All it takes is to realize behind every summoner name is a human being (usually). You can do anything if you have the correct mindset.

Reaper Review2 votes

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actually i've been on my last straw for like 4-5 months now and have yet to have any twitchy feeling to go full blown toxic perm-banned incoming on anyone. All it takes is to realize behind every summoner name is a human being (usually). You can do anything if you have the correct mindset.

Yeah, that's also sound advice. A willingness to see the full scope of the situation and put things into perspective.

Kudos to you for your reform, and keep up the good work.

Battlecast Sona1 votes

I think that after a certain point it's no longer just a "mean word". When people call you words that haven't been acceptable to use in polite society since the 1950s is when I start having problems, cause that shit just needs to go... But if someone says "omg u fucking suck" or something I don't really think they should be banned. It's when you get the crazy slurs that I think that shit needs to go

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Ban both of them. Problem solved. Logic OP.

Reaper Review4 votes

I'll just have to do what I can to keep this thread alive as long as possible then.

As a fun fact, one possible definition of permanent is "intended to exist or function for a long, indefinite period without regard to unforeseeable conditions". In this case, the unforeseeable condition would be players truly demonstrating reform over a willingness to continue their behavior.

It's very optimistic of me to think this way, I know. Perhaps too much so. Thinking negative never did me any favors, though, so I figured I'd try a new approach.

Reaper Review2 votes

I decided to put my new outlook to the test earlier and played a PVP match on my alt.

I did terribly that game, ending the game 3/9/2, owing both to my being out of practice and because the pressure was on for me to keep it together. I surprised myself, though, and managed to not say a single negative thing to anyone in-game.

It's a stark contrast to how I used to be, where even being 0/2 would set me off. Changing my outlook really made a difference in my attitude.

I don't have much to add to the thread's content at this point, but I thought little stories like this might help reinforce my point.

FrankerX1 votes

trying to talk common sense to ppl who most likely will say "but you cant even see what my team said!" hm. but yes you're right

Reaper Review1 votes

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trying to talk common sense to ppl who most likely will say "but you cant even see what my team said!" hm. but yes you're right

It really needed to be said, though. Even if the people it's aimed at might not listen, it needed to be said.

FrankerX1 votes

it gets said every month at least 1 time. the thread just gets spammed away after not even 24h. thats kinda sad hm. but its good that ppl try it! and if it just helps 1 person to reflect their behavior, it was worth it

Leetri1 votes

As a counter argument to that, it doesn't matter what the team said. Just because someone else is being a jackass you don't have to. Lots of people don't seem to understand that.

Straw Hat Loki1 votes

If only a thread such as this was stickied. Would help a LOT of people coming to the boards after getting punished.

Great job putting it together.

Reaper Review1 votes

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If only a thread such as this was stickied. Would help a LOT of people coming to the boards after getting punished.

Great job putting it together.

I could've used a lot more words, but frankly nobody would read it if it was much longer.

I just wish more people could really 'understand' bans the way I've come to.

Straw Hat Loki1 votes

To be honest, most people who do not understand how to conduct themselves in game are the ones struggling to come to terms w/ how the bans work.

Its short and to the point; I like it!

IRankedYou1 votes

Maybe riot should care more about what's in the chat logsand behind the game. cuz now u get banned for saying shit 3 times. but if a lee sin jungler tells ' i am not a ganker' and enemy yi is ganking every lane. yes a YI GANKING PRE LEVEL 6 and lee sin just doesnt, and he knows he can gank, but just doesnt want to, andwhile teamfighting he is just standing near your team but doesnt give a fuck and wards jumps away everytime without doin any single thing. if u can see his damage to champions at the end of the game is 1000 . then u ask yourself some fking questions. the previous game, u have another person with the same fking behaviour. thanks riot. for making your game, impossible.

Mandang01 votes

You only see the cases where players don't take your advice. If a player calms down and appeals their ban in a composed manner, you never see it. Do you really think the total number of bans or appeals is anywhere near the amount of complaint threads you see on the forums?

Reaper Review1 votes

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You only see the cases where players don't take your advice. If a player calms down and appeals their ban in a composed manner, you never see it. Do you really think the total number of bans or appeals is anywhere near the amount of complaint threads you see on the forums?

Permanent bans aren't a particularly frequent thing, though. That said, the people who calm down about it and don't post here took my advice anyway, so good for them.

(Well, besides the part where I hang out here and help out in my own way. I do this because it's my way of changing myself. I don't just hop on a new account and play because the thought of trying to grind it to the point where I can enjoy the game again is very daunting. I don't have any 'main' champions, I enjoy mixing it up and playing whoever I feel like queuing as. Without spending any money, getting a decent number of champions plus runes would take far too long. Especially for someone like me who doesn't marathon the game.)

If I knew I could attempt to appeal for myself by playing on a new account, though, I may go for it. I do have a level 14 account that I use mainly for spectating my friends' games.

Owntrolf1 votes

its just a prank bro

Leblancster1 votes

You tell people to realize their behavior like you are some kind of "Messiah", but I must be the honest one in your life and tell you that you are not better than anyone else on these boards.

You think that it is solving a problem with the permanent bans, but all it is doing is ruining the new player experience. Sure, you may not have to que with that guy again, at least until he gets back to your level on a new account... but there are 100's of new players that have to suffer because YOU chose to hit that report button. Yes Riot Lyte made a flawed system, yes people blindly support it.. and that is because they, like you, only think about themselves. Get over yourself, and help do the right thing.. create a permanent chat ban system, and lets get rid of this flawed permanent ban system that ONLY punishes new players to the game.

Reaper Review6 votes

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You tell people to realize their behavior like you are some kind of "Messiah", but I must be the honest one in your life and tell you that you are not better than anyone else on these boards.

You think that it is solving a problem with the permanent bans, but all it is doing is ruining the new player experience. Sure, you may not have to que with that guy again, at least until he gets back to your level on a new account... but there are 100's of new players that have to suffer because YOU chose to hit that report button. Yes Riot Lyte made a flawed system, yes people blindly support it.. and that is because they, like you, only think about themselves. Get over yourself, and help do the right thing.. create a permanent chat ban system, and lets get rid of this flawed permanent ban system that ONLY punishes new players to the game.

Of course I'm not better than anyone else on these boards. I DID get banned, after all, and I don't deny that.

Also, you're talking about removing the permanent ban system when half the point of my thread is about WHY the system is "permanent" and the previous work-arounds to it never panned out. It's because the people who try to cite the system's flaws have a tendency to prove it right in the process, not to sound like a broken record.

XDisturbedX1 votes

Why don't people just mute toxic people why ban them?

Reaper Review2 votes

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Why don't people just mute toxic people why ban them?

Not everyone thinks to mute people in the heat of the moment, and toxicity is a self-feeding thing.

Bans exist because people all too often try to handle the problem the wrong way, either feeding into it more or by trying to stubbornly power through it instead of taking time and cooling off. When you continue to show an inability to handle the situation appropriately, then Riot's hand is forced.

That could probably be worded a lot better, but I think that's the gist of it.

entitledplayer1 votes

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Not everyone thinks to mute people in the heat of the moment, and toxicity is a self-feeding thing.

Bans exist because people all too often try to handle the problem the wrong way, either feeding into it more or by trying to stubbornly power through it instead of taking time and cooling off. When you continue to show an inability to handle the situation appropriately, then Riot's hand is forced.

That could probably be worded a lot better, but I think that's the gist of it.

I'll quote myself from a response I made 40 seconds ago.

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You (The Client/User) agree to the End User License Agreement and the Terms of Service to use the functionality of what is a freeware software granting your the privilege of permission to the servers by following the contract you digitally signed by clicking " I Accept " on both documents.

You should read everything you ever sign your rights too, because you'll realize that's part of the social contract -- the legality of the binding pacts made between the sovereign and the governed, by giving up part of your rights and an acknowledgement to adhere to society's rules for protections of your rights when violated by any one person(s) or agent(s) of the government.

This is _ literally _ something every sovereign nation, companies, and game distributors/host portals use as the basis of any and all rules, and is taught to you by the middle-high school level as a requirement to graduate as part of your Civics (i.e Social Studies) education and the non-American/English equivalent:

"** Don't break our rules or we'll ban you / jail you/ fine you/ execute you by due process. **"

All of this has been established to every player before they ever even step on the rift -- But in a digital age where the youth don't read manuals or contract because it's boring and they want to get to the 'fun' part, the elders can't get them to try, and only the rational-minded and/or eccentric care to take notice before the banhammer is swung, we're more inclined to believe they're making up rules as they go along, rather than realizing the rules were always there, and we were putting our pleasure and privilege above someone else's rights as a human being.

When Riot issues a punishment/ban and refuses to remove it, it's because you took your case to a point of vigilantism, trying to solve it yourself by brute force, intimidation, and threats;

Which they've gone on record officially as being wrong behavior, and holding every person responsible for it, because you're/we're responsible for every action we/you make -- you the player, not the flamebaiter/troll(s) you're feuding with -- because you're the one typing.

Reaper Review1 votes

As I said in response to your other post, very informative and explained in a way I couldn't.

entitledplayer1 votes

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As I said in response to your other post, very informative and explained in a way I couldn't.

Still my pleasure. :P

VandalHearts1 votes

I accepted my permaban, Didn't fuss, actually trying to help people who are in danger of being permaban, Check out Anger and Regret thread, I was just making a statement to the public, that Riot's system is fair and just, it works, they gave me 6-7 times before I messed up for good. it's just how the world works. It took being Permabanned though to actually take a break , and a few family issues to seek help, after several months, i came back, and started a thread on the forums for others that are walking the path that I took. need any advice or help, just ask on the thread.

Reaper Review1 votes

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I accepted my permaban, Didn't fuss, actually trying to help people who are in danger of being permaban, Check out Anger and Regret thread, I was just making a statement to the public, that Riot's system is fair and just, it works, they gave me 6-7 times before I messed up for good. it's just how the world works. It took being Permabanned though to actually take a break , and a few family issues to seek help, after several months, i came back, and started a thread on the forums for others that are walking the path that I took. need any advice or help, just ask on the thread.

I added a link to your thread to my post, along with another thread that I found to be enlightening.

Thanks for reaching out to the community as well. A big movement always starts with a small one, after all.

I'll admit, my attempted appeal of my ban not panning out has wounded me a little bit, but I still care about this game and its community, so I'm still going to do my part here, no matter how small.

Reaper Review1 votes

I'm now asking myself a serious question: Is it worth it for me to continue trying to help out around here?

I'm literally tearing myself apart on the inside with guilt over having lost my account, and constantly reminding myself of it with all my help threads and posts is actually rather painful. I can't just abandon this game, though. Now that I've opened my eyes, it's given me so much. I've made more friends here than I have anywhere else, and I'm finally able to actually curb my anger. I owe this game and the better part of its community too much for me to just give up, as much as it hurts me.

I'm still slowly trying to level a new account, but it's just not the same game I enjoyed leveling up. There's no charm of being able to try new champions since I'd already played almost all of them on this account. I can't teach new players anything because I'm not that good at the game either. I can't beat actual smurfs. I can't even learn to jungle properly yet due to the lack of runes. The worst part is being unable to play with the friends I'd made. Even when I reach level 30, I'll still be outmatched if I try to queue with them.

I'll try to do my best for all of you, for everyone who helped me, directly or otherwise.

JerulEon1 votes

How do you read your chat logs? Curious to do so.

Reaper Review1 votes

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How do you read your chat logs? Curious to do so.

If you were banned by Instant Feedback, you get an e-mail with your most recent logs. You'll also see your reform card when you log in if you have an Instant Feedback ban of any kind (including permanent bans).

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