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Gotta love the bans system, eh?

The Whamboozler··2 votes·425 views

Just ate a ban. Probably deserved... I guess? I've had a crappy week and I've been responding pretty aggressively to obnoxious kids flaming me or whatnot online. Not really the point tho.

My point is more that... I literally JUST finished a game, and got a 14 day ban FOR the game I was just in. The time between my game ending and the ban hitting me wasn't even enough time for someone to read over the chat log, let alone MULTIPLE people, who vote on those sorts of things. So... exactly how are these things decided? Because it seems to me like human beings don't really enter into the equation. Some premade flames you, reports you and BAM... enjoy your ban for flaming them back? Hell, I'm not even trying to get it revoked. I was annoyed that game and I acted it. Two kids spend 25 minutes tower diving me, spamming laugh and doing everything they could to piss me off and BM. So I called them on it and danced the mocking jig on their corpses when we won anyway...

But how the heck can a game that finished 30 seconds ago get you banned? Did I flame a rioter or something and they're abusing their power? If so, he was acting like a jerk and deserved it. Or is it 100% run by a bot? That seems pretty exploitable. Kinda makes some of those people complaining about unjust bans seem like they might have a point. Why isn't the tribunal run by people anymore? If two idiots decide to insult and trash talk me for an entire match, I'd like the tribunal to at least see that when they decide if a ban is warranted or not. Right now, the system seems to punish people trying to DEFEND themselves from verbal abuse as often as it punishes people who start said abuse in the first place. It also seems pretty heavily in favor of the guy who plays with a friend or three and can make them ALL report you.

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8 Comments

Ladayen1 votes

Theres nothing to defend yourself from. If someone is flaming you just mute them and move on.

Yes the system is largely automated now but it's been thoroughly tested and audits are randomly and frequently done. It's extremely accurate.

The Whamboozler1 votes

If it's automated, then it can't be accurate. A bot can't figure out provocation. It can't note non-verbal trolling like the aforementioned laugh spamming. It can't tell if you were defending yourself or attacking someone in chat. Saying "Just mute everyone" is enabling toxic people and permitting them to keep right on acting up. Even if you disagree with that... if three people are involved in a flurry of flaming and trash-talk... does it ban all of them? Just one? How does it decide? It can't figure out fault... it's a bot.

So does it just nail EVERYONE? I don't see how that can be accurate at all.

Ladayen1 votes

Provocation has never mattered. You're responsible for your actions. It looks at who was reported. If everyone was reported then it will look at everyone. Sorry I should have clarified further, mute them then report after game.

Laugh spam is not really a problem except in extreme cases. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a problem figuring it out.

No flash no life1 votes

Well no chat log is provided so I can't say anything, but if you got reported, a riot staff happened to take a look and within 3 seconds the staff spotted anything similar to " plz report -insert teammate here-" then that staff doesn't need to finish reading the entire chat log before issuing a ban.

The Whamboozler1 votes

Three seconds of attention? That certainly sounds fair and just. That'd be like finding someone guilty in court because as he was walking into the room he didn't smile. If no one is actually reading these chat logs... then it's all arbitrary. At BEST it's based on the number of reports someone gets, and that's not really accurate either. What if you're trying to learn a new champ and you feed a lot? What if you're just kinda bad? What if you proxy singed? Should you get banned for eating all the inevitable reports you'll get from angry teammates?

Bettnachleger1 votes

You won't get banned for doing nothing. And playing bad isn't a ban reason.

And the system is based on the number of games you got reported. Not the number of reports itself. (so it doesn't matter if you get 1 or 9 reports a game, just to prevent the abusing of the system from premades or what ever) If you reach a certain percent level of reported games, the chat analyse tool will check your case. If you flamed or what ever, you will get a restriction or a ban. Flaming a guy who flamed you is btw no excuse to flame. You can mute this guy and report him after the game.

No flash no life1 votes

While most of the time it requires human investigation to fully analyze if a player has gone past the line or not, there are some use of words that are considered offense upon use regardless who you're using it on - even if it's yourself. I've mentioned report threat as an example; some other examples could be things like death threat and racial/gender slur. Those are things considered bannable offense once spotted regardless of context, and if they're spotted then whoever that's reviewing the case could instantly ban the player without finishing reading everything no prob because that's just how serious those extreme cases are.

Of course, your chat might not contain any of those, I'm just bringing up a possibility which may or may not hold true for yours and we won't know until we see what the chat was like.

Mourn Amarith1 votes

Nope. No death threats... no sexism, racism, nothin. Just pretty normal flaming about OP champs, no skill champs and the jungler camping.

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