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For the love of god, stop flaming your jungler.

Senpanda·11/18/2015, 10:47:56 AM·83 votes·8,662 views

Seriously, i don't know why i keep playing jungle, it's my favorite role but dear god, sometimes it makes me want to just break my computer over a chair.

Three games in a row as jax i try to play jungle. Every single time i do though, there's always one or more people that instantly flame me not even ten minutes in because i didn't win them their lane. Just last game i had a zed give up first blood to the enemy jax because he was way over extended. His immediate response to this was "Hey, stupid ass, wanna gank, free kills." so i ignored him and just went back to farming for sated and ganking other lanes. Not even a few minutes later, trynd decided to gang up with zed and both place all the blame on me. Luckily for me though the bot lane was actually nice, never flamed a single person, and were honestly the only reason i didn't leave that much.

Oh, and lets not forget that zed tried to convince everyone he wasn't toxic, even though he flamed the enemy ori in all chat.

I don't know where people got it in their head that just because they lost it's all the junglers fault. The game does not revolve around you, junglers have more to do than just babysit your lane. Other lanes need ganks, and some need to farm for sated.

I'd love to see the people who flame junglers play jungle and then get all the blame dumped on them for like 100 games in a row, just to see how they feel.

Either way bring on the downvotes, flood me with em, i just needed a place to vent all this frustration, because i'm sick and tired of people thinking the game revolves around them

87 Comments

Chespin201311/18/2015, 11:21:59 AM21 votes

Junglers don't help win lanes they help secure objectives. If a idiot is gonna die 5 times to a fiora without building any defensive items and not putting any wards no reason to waste time on him. It's better to use it on getting other objectives so that you can close out the game.

xemnas128011/18/2015, 4:43:43 PM8 votes

Ok, im an adc main (former support main) and i know we get a bad rep...but i feel SO bad for jungle mains. I am one of the few ppl (at least thats the way it seems) that doesnt blame my jungler/support for my mistakes. I dont understand how someone can overextend, not realize that 3 ppl are comin (thru a warded jungle mind u) and then blame other ppl for their death...

ChaosReignsDown11/18/2015, 9:58:29 PM6 votes

I have mixed feelings about this. Few types of junglers out there.

Most dont know how to gank or ping before they come. They use the same route no matter what the lane match ups look like. If it is a Devour jg.. you will see him/her at 20-25 mins, and in this patch when games are lasting like 30 mins thats not cool. They dont watch the mini map to see which lanes are pushed etc..

On the other there are laners who dont know how to freeze lane or push the enemy under turret and ping for ganks.. How is the jg supposed to gank for you when you have them under turret!!? They blame the jungle for dying to a gank and have never dropped a ward any where on the map...

It is iffy.. but as a general rule..FLAMING people will not make them play better or want to help you.. its stupid to think calling the jg all sorts of names and telling him how bad he is will get you a gank lol..

P.S

Shout out to all the great jungles out there though!

Limitanei11/18/2015, 12:24:56 PM6 votes

Nobody's going to downvote you. You're correct in saying that it isn't the jungler's responsibility to "win your lane".

Sky Williams would agree with you here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD7VayT4KqQ

Mister Punches11/19/2015, 1:13:06 AM4 votes

I tend to mute people the very second they start flaming me for not pushing their lane for them.

I already have enough experience to know that if I even talked to those kinds of people in the game, that I would end up going on tilt. I was surrounded by those kinds of people (I won't consider them players or gamers, because they really aren't) in Bronze, and I spent more time capturing objectives and counter jungling rather than in lane pushing for someone.

I main as a Jungle in Ranked, and honestly, there are tons of people who complain about Jungle for no reason from my personal experience. It's either we aren't helping them in lane enough, or we're too much of douchebags for focusing on things like Dragon, or Enemy Red/Blue when the enemy jungler is behind. I notice that I get a lot of the flak from ADCs and overly confident Mids.

worm11/18/2015, 11:05:56 AM4 votes

Here's a suggestion, don't go devourer. Lanes snowball so fast off of one gank and by the time you get your sated the game is practically already over.

Essentially it is your fault

Eagleash11/18/2015, 10:59:23 AM3 votes

yeah man dont even give your energy to these f4ck boys /mute all

TeCoolMage11/18/2015, 11:42:41 AM3 votes

Junglers are soon to be the newest supports in terms of flaming, since ADCs can now survive so well, supports get more lenience.

Junglers, however, now have to ward to aid the vision game even more than before (lol top and mid once flamed me for warding red buff and dragon instead of rift herald and blue), and despite not being changed in terms of flammability directly, the fact supports need less to be good means everyone else must now look for new roles to flame!

That being said, all roles tend to do something bad, trust me. Supports and Junglers aren't as innocent as most think and ADCs and top laners aren't as toxic as depicted.

Ariel the Cruel11/18/2015, 1:58:37 PM3 votes

Flamings will continue, until ganks improve.

<insert gif here>
NostolgicSkies11/18/2015, 9:45:26 PM3 votes

as a person who jungles evelynn i find that if u ignore lanes and tell yoru self your job is just to get objectives your being near sighted to your own role. junglers need to show up in lanes even if its to remind the lane hey i am in the game and i can fuck you up so back up. not to mention ganking lanes not only helps secure the lane for your team it also helps mid get out to roam so they arent tied down to holding the lane. it helps top tele and not get punished for doing so. and it helps get your adc out of lane to get dragon easier and at earlier lvl's. telling yourself your job isnt to gank lanes as a jungler only gimps you as a jungler in my opinion

Bemapon11/18/2015, 10:00:54 PM3 votes

"Its not MY job to win YOUR lane." Is what I normally respond with.

But also, raging at your jungler is not a good way to make them want to gank for you.

Truly Prideful11/18/2015, 9:46:15 PM2 votes

I thank my jungler for every gank whether or not it results in a kill. All I want from a jungler is random lane appearances to keep the enemy honest and dragon control.

SrirachaLimes11/19/2015, 12:50:54 AM2 votes

As someone who only moderately plays jungle, I agree with you. Every time I see someone blame jungle, it's usually something like this:

0/4 Fiora Top: Wow my stupid Skarner didn't gank and that's why I lost lane!

No, you didn't lose lane because you're jungle didn't gank. That doesn't affect your play style or how well you do against your opponent. You died because of YOU. Even if your jungler didn't gank you at all and just farmed up, that doesn't mean it's his or her fault. You're the one dying, they're not causing you to die.

Why the hell do people think it's the jungler's fault? Yeah, it'd be nice if they ganked and they should gank when they can, but they don't control how you play.

bubee11/18/2015, 7:33:17 PM2 votes

I agree 100%. Countless times when I was jungler, other lanes would blame me for them being 0/3 and blame me for losing the game for them. What frustrates me the most though, is when I accidentally take a kill or a couple minions from a lane, and they would have a tantrum.

Kal Vas Flam11/19/2015, 3:15:50 AM2 votes

Been jungling mostly since the patch and it is getting hard to give a fuck about my teammates anymore. Just got reported for not single handily carrying my team on my back. Sorry if you can't do something as simple as play passive in lane and keep them pushed to their tower without any wards the whole time. Not my fault you suck.

runedara11/19/2015, 3:43:41 AM2 votes

When mid does it they lose their blue privilege.

Preymster11/19/2015, 3:47:01 AM2 votes

It is the junglers job to monopolize on enemy mistakes. This includes but isn't limited to objectives and kills on overextended enemies and counter jungle if your champ is capable of it.

It is everyone else's job to ensure they aren't making those exact mistakes for the enemy jungler to monopolize on. Their mistakes don't equal your lack of skill. The jungle can't easily gank if the lane isn't pushed towards your tower, and they can't dragon early if the lane can't be pressured to back. 99% of my grief whenever I jungle comes from the fact I can't fulfill my role because my team doesn't realize that it is a combined effort to create the conditions where I can make a meaningful impact in that lane.

jaymc113011/19/2015, 6:06:09 AM2 votes

Dude, you play in silver. With ridiculous kda's. And with those kda's you can't even manage a 60% win rate. Just looking at your op.gg, coming from a diamond, it's clear you are losing games for your team because you are a non factor in lane phase, essentially making games 4v5. Now is it always a jgs fault? No. In your case is it likely your fault? Yep, without question. It's dead obvious from your stats you are failing early and losing games because of it. It's also bad news for you that you haven't adapted to the snowbally nature of this current patch and how important it is to influence the game early and often from that position. Ever since this patch the other roles are largely unimportant because of the vision changes. If you aren't ganking early and often (for example by the 10th minute I'll have ganked every lane, some multiple times) you are playing the game wrong.

Transgressor11/19/2015, 7:53:15 PM2 votes

For the love of god, how about you junglers start thinking you're not exempt from having your bullshit called out, whenver you fuck up so hard the game snowballs out of control?

When you come for a gank, and I ping you to fall back 5 times AND YOU STILL GO IN with mana enough just for your CC spell, don't expect any fucking help.

Basically, get good at the game and learn to acknowledge your own responsibility.

HayRoss12/18/2015, 9:22:15 PM2 votes

A while ago I was playing Warwick jungle and bot lane blamed me for losing their lane, even though both the other lanes needed as much help as they did.

It was most clearly my fault that bot lane was lost and not that we had a Kindred for a support

1sam7006/2/2016, 1:49:45 AM1 votes

id liked to say this guys right but i feel bad cause i do the exact thing but i only do it when the jg tries to gank then leaves then 5 seconds later i get killed and theyre still there doing skuttle not even putting any effort into helping me live

Talk to ze hand11/19/2015, 8:23:07 AM1 votes

on the other hand though(cause the other side must be heard)when someone is losing his lane and is already 0-2,0-3 try to be a dear and help him on your way to the camps.so many times ive seen the top or the mid laners struggle because of a bad matchup or enemy player superiority and the jungler doesnt even move his finger to do anything,not realising that the enemy laner if you let him take all the advantage he can will be massive and yours will be severely underfarmed.what you gonna say next?im here only for the objectives?most of the time all i hear is report x for feeding the enemy even if he is 0-2 and the real difference is on cs he is being denied.

i agree on the flame part though no need for anyone to get upset.

Garr1011/10/2017, 3:25:46 PM1 votes

This is VERY true. Even my own friends flame me. My friends were a Lux Rengar bot lane, but they kept shoving the wave into the turret and forcing the enemy bot lane under the turret. My friends proceed to dive multiple times and feed. They then flame me for not ganking. I ask them, "Do you want me to die while diving the turret?" And all they do is tell me to shut up. The point of a jgler is to strengthen winning lanes, not gank feeding lanes. Jglers are there to help take turrets, dragon, herald, baron, not constantly gank.

GenghisEmo11/18/2015, 11:59:56 PM1 votes

The only time i blame the Jungler, is when they are clearly, clearly at fault and/or tilting (and usually if they are at fault, it is because, well, they are tilting XD). Otherwise, i will defend my jungler.

Junglers have it hard. They got to flank, reinforce, take dragon, ward, clear enemy wards, farm their jg, or give some farm in jg to ally that could be slightly behind or is getting a lead, help push down towers if possible or push wave into enemy turret making enemy lose cs, save allies, etc.

But if you are literally going for blue when allies are clearly positioned elsewhere looking for an out of position enemy, then there is something wrong there that the jungler should reconsider. Especially, if that choice clearly leads to the Jungler's death. Jungler then complain about them dying, while allies go after the enemy carries who positioned poorly leading to a 4 for 2 (in favor of allied team). Only to still complain XD.

Then, and only then, will i have to speak my mind to the jungler, typically saying "you fault, learn to position better, ward, and take a break after this match, since you are clearly tilting".

And it Also happens to Supports

If the support is "feeding" because the ADC can't position well, that the supp literally gives their life to deny a shutdown (which equals extra gold for the enemy if it happens), then please shut up, and position better. You can clearly tell ADCs tilt or are on a losing streak when they complain after their lives were saved.

Pandemic Punch6/2/2016, 1:51:44 AM1 votes

That is just flaming

4n3LG8tf3Q11/20/2015, 9:06:50 AM1 votes

I'm a jungle main with thousands of games in the role. Let me just be straight up and tell you, it's not your job to win someones lane for them but it totally is part of your job to make sure they don't lose lane either. Ganking is the most vital part of your job. Do your job or maybe play a different role?

You kind of sound like a whiny brat who is mad his mom told him the way he was doing his homework was wrong. "so I ignored him and just went back to farming sated and ganking other lanes" Right there, you blatantly admitted that you didn't like what he said so you decided he wasn't getting ganks. Regardless of what someone says to you, that does not eliminate part of your job.

Press mute if it bothers you but DO YOUR JOB. Do the most essential part of the role you chose to take. Not ganking as a jungler is like not warding as a support, not csing as an adc, not roaming as a mid, or not making teleport plays as a top laner. Those are essential parts to being good at your role. If you choose not to do them, then yeah, some people are going to call you bad.

Supreme Senpai6911/20/2015, 10:03:02 AM1 votes

My ADC literally tried to steal my Gromp last game. They didn't leash it, mind you, they came over and simply last hit it. Then of course, got mad when I didn't come gank for them.

Supports and Junglers get all the flack tbh.

Captainn Ginyu11/19/2015, 3:18:22 AM1 votes

i still think the jungle should AT LEAST help a losing lane or attempt to help a losing lane

Only Play Darius11/18/2015, 9:43:45 PM1 votes

This is the problem with early teamfight meta. Genuinely bad players who used to lose games because they were incompetent in lane are suddenly winning more games because they have junglers/toplaners/midlaners roaming or teleporting very early and winning lane for them regardless. Even if their W/L still remains negative, they become accustomed to getting carried so don't bother analyzing their mistakes or learning how to go even let alone win their lane. So when they lose lane, it's YOUR fault for not winning it for them.

Reminds me of a Yasuo game (hate me all you want) I had yesterday where I was laning against an AP Ezreal. I had him beat in lane so Leona abandoned her ADC to camp mid and prevent me from getting more kills off him, and even helped him succesfully turret dive me. What does he say in post game? "Yasuo you're trash go play a skillful champion" (probably true lol) and ”GG garbage botlane cost me the game" (after Leona abandoned her ADC to camp his feeding ass and prevent me from getting more kills off of him).

Moral of the story? Don't bend over backwards to try and win lane for genuinely shitty players, they don't appreciate it and it probably won't win you the game in the end. And yes, he did have the pulsefire skin.

Darkslayer8512/18/2015, 9:28:08 PM1 votes

I literally burst into tears during the game I just played... I don't even know if I want to keep playing League at this point...