I'm about to be in a game where i was placed mid and our jungle banned my champion, locked in fizz, and said "im mid". I decided to suck it up and jungle even though i haven't jungled in months. I hate players like him and it would suck if he's able to get away with this without being punished, so am i able to report him for this and will he be punished?
Subdue8 votesChermorg, the moment the offender has coerced the other player into a different role by threat of trolling, he has stolen the role, whether the game has started yet or not.
A few questions to walk you through this:
If I point a gun to your head and say "give me your wallet or I shoot you," and in response you hand over your wallet, is that theft?
If I didn't actually have bullets in the gun, but you've already given me your wallet anyway, is it still theft?
HalcyonDweller2 votesHe's not going to see this, it's not in reply to his first comment.
But I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Chermorg3 votesThey have not “taken your lane" until the game starts and they actually go in your lane.
Considering you voluntarily switched with them, they were not in the wrong. If they harassed you into changing, that is punishable as a chat offense, but not a gameplay offense.
MLT22 votesi didnt "voluntarily switch". i should have mentioned they asked if they could mid, i refused, then they banned my champion locked in fizz and said "I'm mid". the only reason i jungled was because i didnt want to lose the LP for dodging
Chermorg1 votesYou had every right to take your second choice mid lane and go mid.
You voluntarily offered to go jungle.
If you actually got into game, and then he without you volunteering to trade lanes went in your lane (mid), then it is a punishable offense. Riot does not punish for actions that haven’t happened yet (except when they are being toxic in chat, in which case they get a chat restriction/chat ban as applicable).
MLT5 votesso because i chose to help the team, even though i was forced out of my lane and should i have gone mid anyways we'd have a duo mid with no smite and no jungle, it counts as me voluntarily giving up my position... thats some sound logic you got there
Ego Sum Redemit2 votesIt actually IS sound logic, and from a 'letter of the law' perspective, 100% accurate.
Yeah, you were probably WAY better off handling it how you did, but the only way to create the situation in which the offense was considered 'role stealing', you would have had to fallen on your sword, took the loss, then reported.
"Never negotiate with terrorists". Defend yourself the best you can, then take the proper steps to ensure justice is served. It sucks sometimes, but its the only surefire way to see it through properly.
Sorin Alucard1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ego Sum Redemit,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FzP6tTxH,comment-id=00000000000000010001,timestamp=2017-08-23T19:03:24.704+0000)
It actually IS sound logic, and from a 'letter of the law' perspective, 100% accurate.
Yeah, you were probably WAY better off handling it how you did, but the only way to create the situation in which the offense was considered 'role stealing', you would have had to fallen on your sword, took the loss, then reported.
"Never negotiate with terrorists". Defend yourself the best you can, then take the proper steps to ensure justice is served. It sucks sometimes, but its the only surefire way to see it through properly.
well you can join him in believing that's logical lol There isn't a "role-stealing" specific report but clearly its an offense that if reportable can go to ban under category negative attitude. To argue there isn't role stealing pre-game when roles are assigned isn't a functional perspective and since it directly interferes with the team aspect of the game in champ select it starts there. Irregardless of what you take into the rift once the client starts in response to such disruption there's more than an implied importance on champ select etiquette otherwise there wouldn't be assigned roles or penalties for dodging queues, nor would there be a way to report someone out of game for ruining a queue that didn't go to game
Sorin Alucard8 votesYou had every right to take your second choice mid lane and go mid.
You voluntarily offered to go jungle.
If you actually got into game, and then he without you volunteering to trade lanes went in your lane (mid), then it is a punishable offense. Riot does not punish for actions that haven’t happened yet (except when they are being toxic in chat, in which case they get a chat restriction/chat ban as applicable).
^^^This doesn't make sense
So, if he dodges the troll, its an LP loss and timer. He goes jg trying to avoid the auto LP loss and plans on reporting this guy anyway. Yet you say the only way for the guy to deserve a report is to go mid leaving NO jg and a high chance for loss of LP just for the report grounds to give the locker proper punishment? Idk if this is true or not
If it is true, then this report system has officially become ass-backwards and totally ineffective other than "watch your language"
Chermorg1 votesNo,
I'm saying that Riot does not punish people for actions that do not occur. Thus if OP willingly gives up his lane by switching then Riot will not punish someone for "stealing lane".
If you intend to take the toll road home from work, you drive all the way to the entrance, but then take the last turn off and take back roads, does the toll company still charge you for using the road? No. You may have had every intent on taking it. But you never actually did.
Even better analogy: You're taking the toll road home from work. You've already gotten on the toll road (you were negative in pregame chat). There's construction ahead, so you have to get off the toll road (you get in game and don't actually steal lane, you play your assigned lane). Does the toll company charge you just for what you used (the one section of road/the negative chat in pregame lobby), or do they charge you for the whole way home, even though you never used the toll road for the whole way?
Sorin Alucard5 votesNo,
I'm saying that Riot does not punish people for actions that do not occur. Thus if OP willingly gives up his lane by switching then Riot will not punish someone for "stealing lane".
If you intend to take the toll road home from work, you drive all the way to the entrance, but then take the last turn off and take back roads, does the toll company still charge you for using the road? No. You may have had every intent on taking it. But you never actually did.
Yes but a toll road is a basic transaction with either you pick to do it or not, that's definitely not comparable to this situation.
The purpose of reporting is to flag negative behavior; people not following the rules and ruining the game experience for other players
He didn't offer any swap, there was no deal. There was a hijacking of roles against the rules and the person on the receiving end of this was forced into a position of either run down mid and lose with two mids or attempt jg or dodge. No matter what he decides, that guy broke the rules directly with an action before game even started. So he did DO something. Just because the victim decided to take a better chance at winning a game and not giving up free LP in rank doesn't mean there's not grounds for reporting that guy for being legitimately toxic to the game environment. There's no technicality that excuses this. Even if he dodged he should've taken the summoner name and filed a ticket.
But if you're sure that's the actual policy, and that Riot would find no fault, my statement stands that all of the efficacy of the report system to manage anything other than language is non-existent
Chermorg1 votesOP did offer a swap though..
I decided to suck it up and jungle
Considering OP "decided to suck it up and jungle" (which to me means he made clear he was jungling - took a jg champ, took smite, took runes/masteries for jg, etc), there was no hijacking.
You cannot steal a role until you get in game (without hacking the client). You cannot steal a role until you get in game. You can be willingly handed a role by a teammate unhappy with your harassment, yes. In that case, you can be punished for harassing your teammate into giving up their role.
There is no "trolling" that can occur before the game starts. There is no "stealing of role" that can occur before people even play a role. There is no toll road payment that can occur if you intend to take the toll road but never get on it.
This is one of the exact reasons Riot hasn't implemented a pre-game report yet - it'd be abused by people reporting non-existent "trolling" or "role stealing" that hasn't happened yet. Like I've said, pre-game negative chat is punishable, but not "trolling" because it hasn't happened yet.
Sorin Alucard5 votesOP did offer a swap though..
Considering OP "decided to suck it up and jungle" (which to me means he made clear he was jungling - took a jg champ, took smite, took runes/masteries for jg, etc), there was no hijacking.
You cannot steal a role until you get in game (without hacking the client). You cannot steal a role until you get in game. You can be willingly handed a role by a teammate unhappy with your harassment, yes. In that case, you can be punished for harassing your teammate into giving up their role.
There is no "trolling" that can occur before the game starts. There is no "stealing of role" that can occur before people even play a role. There is no toll road payment that can occur if you intend to take the toll road but never get on it.
This is one of the exact reasons Riot hasn't implemented a pre-game report yet - it'd be abused by people reporting non-existent "trolling" or "role stealing" that hasn't happened yet. Like I've said, pre-game negative chat is punishable, but not "trolling" because it hasn't happened yet.
He" sucks up and jungle"s is not an active offer to swap. He sucks it up and jungles is making an active decision to try and minimize the locker's dmg to his LP. Its a forced decision. To call "sucking it up and jungling" an offer to swap roles when he clearly denied it verbally before it was taken is illogical. He literally said "no" to the swap request
There's no role stolen until you get into game? Then what do you call the labels next to your summoner position in champ select? Does it say mid jg adc etc for the fun of it? Its harassment as soon as the guy banned his champ pick and auto-locked. If you can't see that, I can't help you.
You can easily file it under negative attitude with a specific description. In Riot's examples of what's reportable, they specifically name "report a summoner for not focusing on the team aspect of the game" which is reiterated under the description of the negative attitude report category. Part of this is respecting assigned roles. By forcefully auto-locking after an ally didn't want to willing trade with you, YOU took direct action to interfere with the team aspect of the game. Furthermore, to ignore the denial of the swap, ban your ally's pick, and say "im mid" before stealing it is "unhelpful and self-centered" as well as "interfering with the team aspect"(Riot's negative attitude report description)
Idk where you're getting the viewpoint to justifiably say "well since they weren't in game yet its on the guy who got his role taken cuz he wasn't in game to have a role taken yet". lol I'd believe that if you selected champions and builds inside the fountain
As for pre-game reports, that point falls mute when you consider you can still file a ticket outside of the game. Meaning if you don't get into a game and there's a bunch of trash talk and role stealing before the dodge you can STILL report them for breaking the summoner's code. There isn't a line where something only becomes reportable if it makes it to the in-game, and there doesn't need to be a pre-report system if you have one post-game AND they can be filed directly to support out of game. I think you're assuming reasons as to why "pre-report" doesn't exist.
Chermorg1 votesSure, you can report it out of game.
But it won't be punished. The role stealing, that is. Toxic communication is always punishable. Role stealing actually had to happen before it gets punished.
Sorin Alucard4 votesSure, you can report it out of game.
But it won't be punished. The role stealing, that is. Toxic communication is always punishable. Role stealing actually had to happen before it gets punished.
Do you know this because of actual policy you've read? or is it just your stubborn viewpoint? I just quoted the summoner's code and a viable report category to file "role-stealing" under. If the guy was assigned jg then locked in a mid pick with mid summoners the role has been stolen prior to getting into lane. I see what you're getting at because some champs can go bot or top with similar spells, but your view isn't logical. Roles are assigned before any form of draft game. They were implemented to be followed. Their purpose is to decide that matter before game so NO ONE has the justification to take roles as they please. To do such a thing is reportable under "negative attitude"
I don't know how else to say it anymore, but unless you can post a direct quote from riot proving your stance then you're wrong fundamentally and empirically.
Chermorg1 votesI don't see how you think it's on me to prove the outlandish viewpoint.
You can't punish something that hasn't happened. That's common sense.
I agree it's negative to threaten to steal role. That's punishable as a chat offense (I.e. A chat restriction). It is not, however, punishable under trolling (I.e. Time ban) if the person willingly gives up their role.
Sorin Alucard4 votesI don't see how you think it's on me to prove the outlandish viewpoint.
You can't punish something that hasn't happened. That's common sense.
I agree it's negative to threaten to steal role. That's punishable as a chat offense (I.e. A chat restriction). It is not, however, punishable under trolling (I.e. Time ban) if the person willingly gives up their role.
LMAO
Its YOUR outlandish viewpoint, so I'd think that if you're going to keep following it and suggesting things to strangers you'd be more concerned with being able to show yourself and others you're right.
Its NOT common sense, its YOUR sense, and I've literally offered you evidence to the contrary that shows your viewpoint is more opinionated than informed.
You don't know what you've said is true, you just want to believe it is. You're so sure its a "chat ban" and that it wouldn't really be considered "role-stealing" until you're in game and "go to the same lane" but you have no proof. Its just your opinion so you should probably stop trying to pass them off as fact
The fact you even debate that the role was given up freely when it clearly wasn't is pretty baffling lol you just ignored everything that was said to you.
ps
Its ok to be wrong.
SnakDatSmilesBak1 votesFalls moot*
Sorin Alucard1 votesFalls moot*
ty! totally missed that
Kei1431 votesso let's look at intent here, and pre-game chat, and consistency which is the most important part here.
If this game, the "troll" locks in fizz and says "I'm going mid". OP doesn't say a thing but locks in smite. Then it should be assumed that the role swapped was agreed upon.
However, if the OP says no, and pre-game chat clearly shows that OP was upset about the forced role swap, then I sure hope Riot would see that even though OP voluntarily swapped in jg role, he wasn't happy about it (hence the report).
Then for the "Troll", consistency would be looked at as well, and if he has a habit of such actions every time he gets autofilled, then the troll should get punished.
Chermorg1 votesThe thing is OP may not have liked it, but then you have this situation: What if the "troll" says to Riot "well I saw him lock in lee sin and smite and so I figured he was actually going to give me mid?" - Then the "troll" at worst unintentionally took the role.
There will always be a reasonable doubt in this case as to if the role is being voluntarily surrendered, not surrendered, or somewhere in between.
Subdue1 votesThe thing is OP may not have liked it, but then you have this situation: What if the "troll" says to Riot "well I saw him lock in lee sin and smite and so I figured he was actually going to give me mid?" - Then the "troll" at worst unintentionally took the role.
There will always be a reasonable doubt in this case as to if the role is being voluntarily surrendered, not surrendered, or somewhere in between.
The theft occurred when he locked in and said mid despite the OP'S objection. He stole the role regardless of whether or not he actually intended to troll if he didn't get it.
Again, going back to the analogy, is it not theft if the gun has no bullets?
Chermorg1 votesIt is theft, but not murder.
Likewise, it is negative attitude, but until the game starts and the figurative trigger is pulled, no murder has been committed.
I go back to saying what if the "troll" had switched to smite and gone fizz jungle before the game started?
Subdue2 votesIt is theft, but not murder.
Likewise, it is negative attitude, but until the game starts and the figurative trigger is pulled, no murder has been committed.
I go back to saying what if the "troll" had switched to smite and gone fizz jungle before the game started?
If the thief threatens the victim with a bullet to the head if he doesn't give his wallet, it is theft even if the thief did not actually intend to shoot.
If the xxxx threatens the victim with xxxx if he doesn't give his xxxx, it is xxxx even if the xxxx did not actually intend to xxxx.
If the troll threatens the victim with trolling if he doesn't give his role, it is role theft even if the troll did not actually intend to troll in game.
Somehow halfway through the analogy you seem to get lost.
Chermorg1 votesIt is theft, but it is not murder.
The thief is threatening the victim with murder if he doesn't give his wallet. It is theft even if the thief did not intend to murder. But it is not murder until he actually murders.
Somehow halfway through the analogy you switch murder and theft. It is theft. I'm not disputing it's theft. But it's not murder. In League, the "theft" is the negative attitude, and the murder is actually taking the role.
In League, you cannot equate theft at risk of trolling to be the same as theft at risk of death. I admit it's a poor analogy because the theft in the analogy does not equate to the theft in League.
Subdue1 votesIt is theft, but it is not murder.
The thief is threatening the victim with murder if he doesn't give his wallet. It is theft even if the thief did not intend to murder. But it is not murder until he actually murders.
Somehow halfway through the analogy you switch murder and theft. It is theft. I'm not disputing it's theft. But it's not murder. In League, the "theft" is the negative attitude, and the murder is actually taking the role.
In League, you cannot equate theft at risk of trolling to be the same as theft at risk of death. I admit it's a poor analogy because the theft in the analogy does not equate to the theft in League.
Dude...
In the analogy:
Item = wallet Threat = murder Result = thief steals wallet
In the scenario:
Item = role Threat = trolling Result = troll steals role
The argument is that even if the game hasn't started yet, the troll has stolen the role and is therefore guilty of role theft regardless of whether he was ever willing to actually troll.
Chermorg1 votesThen we’ll have to disagree.
The final piece we must remember is the analogy breaks down as there is no threat of bodily harm or any harm in fact to the person who is having their role “stolen”. Thus, they are making a conscious decision to give it up, even if it is to try and make the game go better. It’s their choice.
Subdue2 votesFor duress to be reasonable, there must be a reasonable belief of irreparable or other harm that will come to someone.
If someone feels duress over League, a video game, it is not reasonable duress.
It’s like if you were forced to sign a loan with someone asleep in a chair next to you with a balloon sword. You can’t go and claim “duress” later. There was no reasonable threat of harm.
If trolling is not reasonable duress, why penalize players for it at all? In fact, what is the point of the IFS? What is the point of this board? Either such actions are significant or they're not.
Telephone Booth18 votesChermog, I rarely talk to you because there's no reason, as I normally agree with your posts. But I gotta say, I think you're wrong on this one, bud.
The guy locked fizz and said "I'm mid" even though he asked and the OP said no. The OP took the high road and went jungle since this guy stole his role after being told it was not okay. Then the OP actually played the game out (Something I recommend to people so that trolls don't just get away with role stealing... You gotta play it through to be able to report em) and now he can report the guy for demanding and taking mid during champ select.
I could understand if the guy locked Fizz with smite and then the OP was like okay fine I'll jungle just go mid. But that doesn't seem to be what happened. He told him he can't mid, the jungle locked mid and SAID I'm mid anyways. In my opinion, that is definitely reportable and the OP did everything right and deserves recognition for biting the bullet and going jungle... that doesn't mean the guy who took mid should get away with it.
Chermorg1 votesThe thing is, riot only sees the chat and the game.
Considering OP never went his assigned lane, there is a reasonable doubt that the person that "stole" it thought OP was trading with him. That reasonable doubt is because, from what I read, OP didn't make any effort to keep his assigned lane.
Considering the action of stealing lane required someone to be in that lane in game, and from my understanding OP gave up and just went jungle, it was still a valid forfeit of lane. If the lane stealer was toxic and harassed, yes, they should and can be punished for that. But once OP took the jungle lane, it wasn't a crime for the other to take mid. Further, it wouldn't be a crime until the game actually started anyway.
Now if OP had taken a versatile champion, maybe took smite, but gone mid at the beginning of the game, and then the other person came back? Then it's refusal to play role assigned and trolling.
But you can't "not play your role" before play even starts.
Subdue12 votesThe thing is, riot only sees the chat and the game.
Considering OP never went his assigned lane, there is a reasonable doubt that the person that "stole" it thought OP was trading with him. That reasonable doubt is because, from what I read, OP didn't make any effort to keep his assigned lane.
Considering the action of stealing lane required someone to be in that lane in game, and from my understanding OP gave up and just went jungle, it was still a valid forfeit of lane. If the lane stealer was toxic and harassed, yes, they should and can be punished for that. But once OP took the jungle lane, it wasn't a crime for the other to take mid. Further, it wouldn't be a crime until the game actually started anyway.
Now if OP had taken a versatile champion, maybe took smite, but gone mid at the beginning of the game, and then the other person came back? Then it's refusal to play role assigned and trolling.
But you can't "not play your role" before play even starts.
Where has Riot said they can't see the pre-game chat? Just because it's not part of what the automated system shows automatically doesn't mean Riot can't see it.
Your logic is flawed. If someone holds a gun to your head and says "Give me your wallet," you reaching into your pocket, pulling it out, and handing it to them does not absolve them of the crime of theft because you "chose" to comply.
Chermorg1 votesChat and the game. I never meant to say they don't see pregame chat. Just that chat can only be used to commit chat offenses (negative attitude, toxicity, verbal abuse).
If someone holds a gun to your head and says "give me your wallet or i'll shoot", and you refuse, but they never pull the trigger on you, they'll get charged with theft, sure, but not with murder.
This is like saying that "well they said they would shoot me so they should be charged with murder even though it never got to that point!"
Subdue4 votesChat and the game. I never meant to say they don't see pregame chat. Just that chat can only be used to commit chat offenses (negative attitude, toxicity, verbal abuse).
If someone holds a gun to your head and says "give me your wallet or i'll shoot", and you refuse, but they never pull the trigger on you, they'll get charged with theft, sure, but not with murder.
This is like saying that "well they said they would shoot me so they should be charged with murder even though it never got to that point!"
You aren't charged with murder, but you are charged with armed robbery, which carries jail terms often 10x-20x unarmed robbery, such as snatching someone's purse.
And in the OP's scenario, by locking in the champ before the other party has agreed to a role switch, person has already committed the crime.
Chermorg1 votesFizz is a jungler, are they not? The person could very well have "held the gun to OPs head" (taken the champ and threatened to take role) but "not actually stolen anything" (taken smite and gone jungle). But we'll never know because OP gave up their role and took jungle and smite.
That's why Riot doesn't punish in these types of cases - there is no murder (trolling/role stealing) committed, just armed robbery (negative attitude/toxic communications).
Murder is an action that requires specific actions to have been taken to end the life of another person. Armed robbery doesn't actually require any action to take place, only the intent to rob with a deadly weapon.
Similarly, trolling/role stealing is an action that requires specific actions to take place, which can only take place once the game has started. Negative attitude/harassment/toxic communications doesn't really require any action (other than typing) to be taken to be an offense.
Hopefully that clears it up - one being an action which cannot be punished until it takes place, the other being an idea/intent that can be punished as negative attitude.
Subdue7 votesFizz is a jungler, are they not? The person could very well have "held the gun to OPs head" (taken the champ and threatened to take role) but "not actually stolen anything" (taken smite and gone jungle). But we'll never know because OP gave up their role and took jungle and smite.
That's why Riot doesn't punish in these types of cases - there is no murder (trolling/role stealing) committed, just armed robbery (negative attitude/toxic communications).
Murder is an action that requires specific actions to have been taken to end the life of another person. Armed robbery doesn't actually require any action to take place, only the intent to rob with a deadly weapon.
Similarly, trolling/role stealing is an action that requires specific actions to take place, which can only take place once the game has started. Negative attitude/harassment/toxic communications doesn't really require any action (other than typing) to be taken to be an offense.
Hopefully that clears it up - one being an action which cannot be punished until it takes place, the other being an idea/intent that can be punished as negative attitude.
The role has been stolen the moment he locked in and said "I'm mid." That is the action. What the OP does after that does not change that the role was stolen.
Chermorg1 votesWhat if he (the fizz) had switched to smite/jungle runes right before the game started? Would that still be considered stealing lane?
The action is actually stealing the lane within the game. Until that occurs, there has been no action, only intent/talk.
Subdue4 votesWhat if he (the fizz) had switched to smite/jungle runes right before the game started? Would that still be considered stealing lane?
The action is actually stealing the lane within the game. Until that occurs, there has been no action, only intent/talk.
What if the thief gave you back the wallet because he saw a cop turn the corner? It's still theft and he can still be prosecuted for it.
Chermorg1 votesIt's still theft, but it's not murder.
Likewise, this is still negative and possibly harassment, but it's not stealing role.
Subdue4 votesIt's still theft, but it's not murder.
Likewise, this is still negative and possibly harassment, but it's not stealing role.
So... a thief steals a wallet and then gives it back because he sees a cop, that's still theft.
But a player steals a role and gives it back because it looks like the one he stole it from isn't going to acquiesce, that's not theft.
Got it.
Tarquin963 votes-3 lp or -20 which is worse? this is a problem , but next time write his name down suck it up dodge and send a support ticket
Chermorg1 votesRiot says you’re wrong though. You did voluntarily switch. They cannot be punished for trolling. Only for negative attitude.
Nagoh Shan3 votesChermorg2 votesRiot Lyte doesn’t even work there anymore and isn’t considered a reliable source anymore.
He says if you play a role. You can’t play a role until the game starts.
AirKingNeo1 votesGeorge Washington and the founding fathers are all dead.
Murder is still illegal.
Vectros1 votes
Riot Lyte doesn’t even work there anymore and isn’t considered a reliable source anymore.
He says if you play a role. You can’t play a role until the game starts.
Good lord, I don't get why you're defending trolls so much.
I'm going back to your very first post:
"They have not “taken your lane" until the game starts and they actually go in your lane.
Considering you voluntarily switched with them, they were not in the wrong. If they harassed you into changing, that is punishable as a chat offense, but not a gameplay offense."
Let's compare this to the robbery scenario again:
Troll threatens to steal your role.=Thief threatens to shoot you Both make it very clear they will do so through all their actions; there is no reason either way to believe they won't do it. Player gives up role so he doesn't have to dodge or have 2 mids, resulting in a guaranteed loss IP either way=Victim gives wallet so he doesn't die This is the point where you diverge.: Player did not willingly give up role. He is a victim; he did not wish to swap=Victim did not want to give up his wallet; he was a victim
According to you its: Player gave up role willingly, since the troll didn't actually go to lane yet, despite showing every intent of doing so, which=the victim was never actually shot; therefore, there was no theft. The criminal is scott free!
Player=Victim Theft(intended crime)=role stolen (intended crime) If taking your wallet after you give it to me is a crime because I forced it on you in some way, then forcing you to give me your role is also a crime.
Chermorg1 votesLook below. Official Riot support says that my point is correct.
Vectros1 votesLook below. Official Riot support says that my point is correct.
Except we never even got to that point. In your letter to Riot, you said the troll switched his masteries back to Jungle before time was up. In the case we're talking about he hasn't made this switch-nor is there any reason to believe he would. You're literally defending a troll right now, and you misconstrued your case to Riot. If you're interested, rewrite it to them, except state that no intentions are seen of them swapping to Jungle, so whoever he's taking the role from ends up swapping to Jungle so they have a fighting chance.
SergeantScuttler3 votesIt should be punishable and no, I don't think the victim whose lane is now double mid has ANY responsibility to let the bully have his lane. That player is doing exactly what's within his right and he does not control the other player so he's doing nothing wrong. People who report both in this situation are being extremely unethical and selfish.
Chermorg2 votesIf they go into games and don't actually troll, then there's nothing we can necessarily punish them for. However we can't ignore the pain threats of trolling or 'mid or feed' attitudes cause for our game. Players should use the report feature on players who exhibit this behavior at the end of screen report text box so we can track it and see if a player has a pattern of doing this.
To sum up- if they only threaten to troll, feed, etc, in pre game lobby, it's purely a negative chat issue. If they are true to their word and follow through with it in the game itself and feed or troll, then it is a game play offense. We are very harsh on trolls and intentional feeding too as we know you can't simply "mute" game play, so often after one offense a player who feeds will find themselves banned outright.
Hope that helps answer your question!
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Someone tell me again it’s punishable as trolling? I literally have a quote from Riot Support to confirm my viewpoint.
Bottom line is this - just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it any different.