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Why League of Legends is unfair to "toxic" players.

SurrealJC··3 votes·2,356 views

Summary:
-Punishing players is like treating them as if they are criminals in prison.
-The weight of punishments is unhealthy and stressful and creates resistance for players to be able to improve -Why is toxic behaviour acknowledged so much more than positive behaviour? -tens of thousands of players ARE toxic and when they are banned many just create new accounts. -There has to be a more positive way to give people personal help with their anger issues and maybe even hook them up with local mental health care providers or government sponsored aid.

I feel like, similar to the method of incarcerating addicts, League of Legends treats people with anger issues like they should be outcast from society and like they aren't wanted or useful in any way. How many of you had a parent that couldn't control their temper and lashed out inappropriately because you were just being a wild child? All I want is to feel like the players around me respect me enough to listen to my requests and advice without beginning to treat me like a plague on the team. Doesn't everyone just want to fit in and get along and contribute skills and knowledge to the community? I happen to be able to type 100 wpm and 14000 characters so I am WAY MORE at risk for appearing to be toxic than most people. I'd also like to do a short survey to see what people think about toxicity, what it means, how you respond to it, and how we can all improve our reactions and recognition of it. Skip to the bottom if you don't want to bother reading my argument.

It makes me feel like League doesn't actually care about the players that need help. Instead I get penalties like the constant fear that I'm going to be banned forever for something I said to try and help another player better understand team fight mechanics or item build paths. The inability to win the same loot chests that people who just abstain from chat can win, even if, in their heads and play style they are MORE toxic than I am. In theory I have to wait 2 years now before I could ever win a banner for playing my best all because 4 games in a row I told my adc that they sucked, and they did. I know its mean. I know I shouldn't do it anymore. But does riot care if I learned my lesson? No. I'm a bad person for the rest of the year now. A criminal in their eyes, to be watched and closely monitored for potentially "ruining the experience of the League community."

So what about all our positive behaviour? Where does it go? If we're lucky we get honoured once every five games no matter how good we do or how much we compliment allies for their masterful plays, but what does that add up to? Why isn't there a reporting system for good behaviour? Why doesn't good behaviour counteract bad behaviour records? How long do I really have to wait before I don't see the taunting message in the post-game that I am ineligible to win prices due to recent bad behaviour? It's a really cruel and toxic gig riot has going on here against players who have made mistakes. Rewards are only for good players who have always been good and never made mistakes. I know in game that if I compliment people 10 times, and then tell the jungler he went in too early once, and then later, ask him not to die so much, I get raged at for having something to say about every little mistake and he asks the team to report me. I'm not wanted in this community because during november and january I took my ranked play too seriously and raged at an ally in 8 games over the course of 3 months. Please tell me that riot is above these values and that they truly want League of Legends to be a community FOR EVERYONE. You should always treat your enemies lovingly and understandingly. Treat negativity with negativity and you have become part of the forces of evil and darkness.

I'm scared right now writing this that riot is just going to decide to ban my account because I'm a toxic member of the community. They say only .5% of their player base ever gets temporarily banned. But that is approximately 125,000 people. So what? We're all just the scum of the League community now? I would LOVE if they could actually help us become better people actively and not just with 2 pages of the "Summoner's Code" and "How to improve your behaviour". This company makes TONS of money. Probably millions of dollars every day. I'm sure they can afford to put something in the store where you could exchange IP or RP for personal improvement help. If there are really such a low percentage of players that get banned then surely you can afford to do something to interview them and get them the personal help they need or decide if they are actually horrible people with no conscience who deserve to have their accounts banned permanently. The problem is, if they truly like playing this game they will just make another account. The Problem NOT solved this way! Punishments vs special attention... There have been thousands of scientific studies on which helps children and adults most effectively. Punishment is rarely more effective than conditional forgiveness and personal attention. Consider having some type of local search plugin that will refer people to local mental health agencies or government sponsored anger management programs. Alright.. I understand it's getting redundant and whiny now, so you can report me for unsportsmanlike conduct and not taking my loss like a champ. Good game guys.

Toxicity survey I’d like riot to do a player-wide survey on toxicity, what it is, why it exists, how we each respond differently to it, how we can respond better to it. As an example; I personally find calling people toxic to be a toxic action. In my case especially because I point out people's weaknesses and then ask them to act differently so they won't lose so often. I honestly want everyone to be an expert gamer. I’m not, I’m far from it but at least I practice safe plays to avoid dying early. So no I won’t shut up. I will try to word my criticisms better and never use accusatory words or stick labels to people… it sucks when you can just tell that one player on your team is really the little brother of the account holder. We all have try our best to restrain our negative emotions and be encouraging and helpful.

1.What do you find toxic? –Mentioning your level of experience, telling team-mates to shut up, certain words, being bad at the game and feeding (Getting out played), giving advice after every play, threatening to afk if someone asks you ONE MORE TIME to stop split pushing help teamfight.

2.How do you respond to toxicity? Rage back, mute, try to calm people down, explain the situation, try to end the game as fast as possible win or lose, do nothing.

3.What in-game actions do you take when someone is toxic? stay under tower and don’t help the feeders, Feed to end the game fast, try to prevent them from feeding, give more advice or more pings to help, not gank for them, not support them and their engages

4.What advice do you have for toxic people?

31 Comments

Your Next Kill7 votes

I can't believe you're saying that Riot should treat people that ruin their game with kindness

SurrealJC2 votes

No I'm saying they should treat players with kindness who go through rough periods in their life and mental health. Anger isnt healthy. It's a dis-ease of the mind. It should be treated, not neglected. That's how a good health care system and a good community operates. They take care of each other no matter what mistakes we all make.

Your Next Kill4 votes

I agree. As someone who struggles with depression and frequent anger, I agree, a community should operate like that. But League of Legends is a game. If you're having anger issues, don't turn to a game-making company to try and get treated for it. Riot cares about it's players, but it's main focus is to manage and run the game, not treat people who need help. To them, toxic is toxic. If you flame someone because you've had a bad day or have bad mental health, they stil see it the same as someone who's flaming because they are a shitty person. I feel like it should stay that way personally.

Troll for Trump2 votes

Flaming does not equal all toxicity. They have severely broadened the report options, so where as everything is reportable. Unsportsmanlike Conduct and Passive-Aggressiveness covers everything. When people complained about others banning their pick intent champ, or playing other roles than the role under their name, Riot just said to place it under Unsportsmanlike Conduct. It's a catch-all; Anyone who does anything bad in a game can almost always be report under those options.

The ones unreported are truly untainted, but the ones that also go on boards tend to be total white knights. They rub it in your faces, spam downvotes, and say everything that is "right" to get the upvotes. Anything contradictory to the hive mind is downvoted to oblivion.

A Fiora nerfing post, for example. Defend Fiora from a objective point of view, use statistics; You'll be downvoted. Few months later, if Fiora has a less-than-optimal winrate, there will be a post asking for Fiora buffs. You post the exact same thing and expect to receive millions of upvotes.

Not all punished people are flamers or people shouting profanity and death threats.

SurrealJC1 votes

At 6 downvotes so far. I fear it's a toxic community in the name of punishing "bad people". No wonder Donald Trump is winning.

ShaftyMegee1 votes

{quoted}

I agree. As someone who struggles with depression and frequent anger, I agree, a community should operate like that. But League of Legends is a game. If you're having anger issues, don't turn to a game-making company to try and get treated for it. Riot cares about it's players, but it's main focus is to manage and run the game, not treat people who need help. To them, toxic is toxic. If you flame someone because you've had a bad day or have bad mental health, they stil see it the same as someone who's flaming because they are a shitty person. I feel like it should stay that way personally.

This guy ^. Yes.

Nik Nikerson1 votes

Anger is not a disease of the mind. And it's not unhealthy. It's a normal emotional response. What someone does with that anger, how they express it, and whether or not they allow it dominate their choices is what makes it healthy or unhealthy.

And you can't help anyone unless they want help. It's not the responsibility of everyone else to "fix" others. That's on the individual.

R4v1nc33 votes

Ruin? Oh please. You are part of the problem. Severity is what needs to be addressed and taken into account for all matters. A lot of people on here like to equivocate being told "you're retarded" to something more severe, as if they have been torn apart limb by limb and beaten into a corner. Everyone on the other side of the fence who has been punished knows how unjust it can be in some ways ; others deserved their punishment. When another player cries toxic and reports on something small like "gg ez" you have found a purist troll snickering under their breath. They either preach "the golden rule" equivocally or they keep up the paradox of "We have standards" BUT "no strict set of rules regarding the judging of punishment" & "We want players to reform" BUT "You will be assessed based on your past actions, as well as the current one". This song and dance is getting old. Arbiters just regurgitate vague Riot 'guidelines'. Rioters themselves are nowhere to be found. People who have been punished are disregarded and downvoted to hell. Legitimate errors in punishment are ignored. This community is the laughing stock of the gaming world.

Your Next Kill2 votes

lol

Astôlfo1 votes

tl;dr post something that's not meaningless bullshit and I might pay attention

SurrealJC2 votes

Me reaching out to the community to try and improve myself and forgive myself for mistakes I've made is meaningless bullshit to you. So why comment if you don't care about me.

Astôlfo1 votes

I wasn't replying to you this time. I was replying to R4v1nc3.

R4v1nc31 votes

How can you not read it, and call it meaningless bullshit? Do you not see the irony? You are a perfect example of the community riot is heading into. Downvote, Ignore, Report, and display Ignorance. Good luck Riot.

Astôlfo3 votes

And you're part of the reason why this community is such a problem because they stubbornly refuse to see the problem and just bitch about everyone being too soft. Wow, is it really that hard to show people basic respect? Must be, apparently. That's why I called it meaningless bullshit. ;) You are a perfect example of the community League is right now. Downvote, ignore, stubbornly refuse, QQ, whine, and move on. Good luck League. ;)

R4v1nc31 votes

You expect respect with a reply of "tl;dr" and call my post meaningless bullshit? Ending your own post saying "QQ whine move on". I really think this community fails to see the irony in your stupidity here and my effort is truly wasted. No one just 'receives' my respect for nothing. You earn respect. Children such as yourself demand everything with no effort or cost applied. Such is league and it's budding 'community'.

Astôlfo1 votes

Why would I expect respect from you? I already figured out you're not a respectful person. lol And I'm not trying to become friends with you, did you get the wrong idea? You whine about the rest of the community and the rules system meaninglessly. The irony of you continually trying yo argue over that is hilarious. Effort means nothing if it's not used for anything helpful, so no, I wouldn't say it's a waste. Nice overgeneralizations there kiddo. Everyone is expected to show basic courtesy as per the rules. Do you disagree with that? Well okay, your opinion's irrelevant because you're not the one making the rules. You either follow them or get punished. Amusingly enough, the vast majority of people just somehow manage to be not an asshole or troll others. Therefore, they don't get in trouble. Wow, food for thought. Also amusingly, the only ones who complain about the rules are the idiots who break them and get in trouble. ;)

R4v1nc31 votes

Why would I expect respect from you?

Wow, is it really that hard to show people basic respect?

Everyone is expected to show basic courtesy as per the rules.

tl;dr post something that's not meaningless bullshit and I might pay attention

Do you disagree with that?

Wow, is it really that hard to show people basic respect? Must be, apparently.

. . . Now just go argue with yourself.

Astôlfo1 votes

Meant to type basic courtesy, mixed up the two terms because they're used interchangeably a lot even if they mean different things :P The last point was more of mockery/sarcasm, because people on these boards continually cry about unfair punishments after acting like a dick, and in reference to your earlier post.

I didn't insult you either, I was merely pointing out your argument was just flawed and irrelevant, albeit in a blunt way.

No flash no life3 votes

{quoted} -Punishing players is like treating them as if they are criminals in prison.

Putting aside whether that's a good comparison or not...even if that's the case, what's wrong with that? Criminals are prisoned mainly for 2 reasons: they broke the laws they agreed to so they're punished and we can't have them around in our society messing up our order. Toxic players agreed to behave in the first place, then proceeded to break the rules, hence they're punished. In order to not cause harm to the community, riot bans them to split them from the rest of us - working like how prison seperates criminals from society except the other way around.

-The weight of punishments is unhealthy and stressful and creates resistance for players to be able to improve

The other way around. Punishments are too lenient and provide too many chances for offenders to return and cause more harm. The assumption that we should allow players to improve behavior is wrong to begin with. Players are supposed to have their behaviors improved, to the point where they won't break the rules, before joining this community, otherwise they wouldn't get past the terms of service.

-Why is toxic behaviour acknowledged so much more than positive behaviour?

Positive behaviors are granted. They're the ways we're supposed to act to begin with so they're nothing outstanding - though this community seems to have difficulties in that regard. Toxic behaviors, on the other hand, shouldn't happen; hence they stand out in a bad way.

-tens of thousands of players ARE toxic and when they are banned many just create new accounts.

People have the freedom to be ignorant and selfish. If they aren't going to abide by the terms they shouldn't be here, but they don't care. They're the only ones in the world that's important and everyone else and the rules they follow in their environment are of little significance compared to the comfort of those toxic players.

1.What do you find toxic?

Anything that's considered a threat. Showing frustration, even toward teammates, is acceptable to a certain degree, but the moment you start threatening each other you're no longer part of the team and ought to stay away from a team game.

2.How do you respond to toxicity?

Tell ppl to focus on the game, generally suggesting a benefit we can take or emphasize on. Otherwise, ignore and focus on myself. It's difficult to control what others are doing, but you can always control what you're doing.

3.What in-game actions do you take when someone is toxic?

Same as above.

4.What advice do you have for toxic people?

  • This game isn't going to entertain you as much as others would.
  • Buddy, chances are, your individual skill is diamond level, but you're stuck in gold because this is a team game and it's up to you to intepret what I truely mean. If one day you face the situation where you absolutely have to climb, I won't tell you to refrain from chatting, but take out all the adjectives from your texts.
SurrealJC2 votes

Alright, great input, thanks. One thought I had while reading it was that people should be FORCED to read the summoner's code and one or two of any other articles that have already been created for the intentions of improving people's manners in the game.

Nik Nikerson2 votes

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-Punishing players is like treating them as if they are criminals in prison.

I guess in the sense that if you break rules, you face punishment as a way of enforcing those rules, you're right. But I think it's more like if my kids start acting out in a public place. If they do, I snatch them up and remove them from the situation. If you act in an inappropriate manner, you're not welcome to remain and ruin things for everyone else.

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-The weight of punishments is unhealthy and stressful and creates resistance for players to be able to improve

Again, if you can't act in an appropriate manner, you don't get to be part of the group. It's not about fixing your behavior, it's about keeping you from ruining the game for others. It's unfortunate that you find it stressful, but the solution is to follow the rules.

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-Why is toxic behaviour acknowledged so much more than positive behaviour?

Being a decent person isn't something you should do because you're going to get something for it; it's what's expected of you. You don't get rewards for acting how you're supposed to.

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-tens of thousands of players ARE toxic and when they are banned many just create new accounts.

There will always be jerks, not matter what you do. Some people just enjoy causing other people grief. Some people apparently lack impulse control. They don't care about punishments, and they don't care about rewards. You aren't ever going to change those people, because they don't want to change.

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-There has to be a more positive way to give people personal help with their anger issues and maybe even hook them up with local mental health care providers or government sponsored aid.

Riot is not in business to parent millions of people. It's not their job to fix you or your behavior.

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1.What do you find toxic? –Mentioning your level of experience, telling team-mates to shut up, certain words, being bad at the game and feeding (Getting out played), giving advice after every play, threatening to afk if someone asks you ONE MORE TIME to stop split pushing help teamfight.

2.How do you respond to toxicity? Rage back, mute, try to calm people down, explain the situation, try to end the game as fast as possible win or lose, do nothing.

3.What in-game actions do you take when someone is toxic? stay under tower and don’t help the feeders, Feed to end the game fast, try to prevent them from feeding, give more advice or more pings to help, not gank for them, not support them and their engages

4.What advice do you have for toxic people?

  1. To borrow a phrase: I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.
  2. It depends on the situation. Usually I just try my best to simply ignore it and just play the game (I actually rarely mute people, as I find it easy enough to just not pay attention to chat, but I understand others feeling the need to mute). If I respond, or feel the need to say something, I try my damnedest make sure I'm not lashing out when I do so. At best lashing out is going to accomplish nothing; at worst it's going to get me in trouble.
  3. I try my best to just play the game. If things are obviously a massive waste of time because we're getting blow away, I may not play my hardest, but I'll keep playing. I just try to find something to focus on. My own mechanical play, last hitting, positioning in team fights, etc. If no one else is taking the game seriously, I try to remind myself it's just a game, and try to not take it seriously either. I hate to say it, some of the most fun games I've played were ones where it was obvious the other 4 people on my team just wanted to mess around.
  4. There's so much that can be said, but ultimately you are responsible for your actions and choices, in game and in life. You can choose to be part of the problem, or part of the solution.
Astôlfo1 votes

Uh...

  1. Toxic players being punished is essentially like prison, as it should be. You serve your time/punishment. But, you're still not reformed instantly just because you did your sentence. You have to actually do good for it to be considered reform. With Riot's case, 3 months is the time it takes to drop down a tier as it's fairly long, and it'll deter people unless they want the next punishment. With the Hextech thing, there is no specific time, and it requires you to actually behave. A surprise, isn't it? Gee.
  2. "The weight of punishments is unhealthy and stressful and creates resistance for players to be able to improve" Hmm, I feel like I could say the same for the toxic players to the others around them. The toxic players are unhealthy, cause stress, and cause others to get upset and become toxic potentially. Sooo...
  3. "Why is toxic behaviour acknowledged so much more than positive behaviour?" Because you're expected to always be positive, or at least give basic courtesy. You're expected to not be toxic. Therefore, being toxic is the exception, not being positive. lol
  4. "tens of thousands of players ARE toxic and when they are banned many just create new accounts." And I'm sure they'll have fun getting banned again once the system catches them again.
  5. "There has to be a more positive way to give people personal help with their anger issues and maybe even hook them up with local mental health care providers or government sponsored aid." Or, they could have just worked on it themselves, and not expect others to baby them to it.
  6. "I feel like, similar to the method of incarcerating addicts, League of Legends treats people with anger issues like they should be outcast from society and like they aren't wanted or useful in any way" No one wants toxic players. So yes, they are outcast, as they should be.
  7. "I happen to be able to type 100 wpm and 14000 characters so I am WAY MORE at risk for appearing to be toxic than most people." Uh, how is that relevant at all? You could type 1 message, you could type 1 million. If you're not toxic, none of them will still be a problem.
  8. "It makes me feel like League doesn't actually care about the players that need help." Why would they? The system they have handles it perfectly fine.
  9. "Instead I get penalties like the constant fear that I'm going to be banned forever for something I said to try and help another player better understand team fight mechanics or item build paths. " Uh, no, you would not be banned for something like that. You would be banned for being toxic while trying to "help", if anything.
  10. "I know its mean. I know I shouldn't do it anymore. But does riot care if I learned my lesson? No. I'm a bad person for the rest of the year now. A criminal in their eyes, to be watched and closely monitored for potentially "ruining the experience of the League community."" And you still chose to be toxic anyways. So what's your point? Do you even have one? No, you don't.
  11. "Why doesn't good behaviour counteract bad behaviour records?" Because you're expected to be on good behavior all the time, and you're expected to never be on bad behavior?
  12. "I know in game that if I compliment people 10 times, and then tell the jungler he went in too early once, and then later, ask him not to die so much, I get raged at for having something to say about every little mistake and he asks the team to report me." And that would be a false report so it would mean nothing. Your argument is irrelevant.
  13. "Please tell me that riot is above these values and that they truly want League of Legends to be a community FOR EVERYONE." Why would it allow toxic players to thrive? They get exterminated, as they deserve to be.
  14. "They say only .5% of their player base ever gets temporarily banned. But that is approximately 125,000 people. So what? We're all just the scum of the League community now?" Not necessarily scum, but one of the few toxic enough to be banned. So yes, those who get banned are worth less, if anything at all.
  15. "I would LOVE if they could actually help us become better people actively and not just with 2 pages of the "Summoner's Code" and "How to improve your behaviour"." Or, or, you could just do that yourself and not expect some mega-company to baby you through it.
  16. "If there are really such a low percentage of players that get banned then surely you can afford to do something to interview them and get them the personal help they need or decide if they are actually horrible people with no conscience who deserve to have their accounts banned permanently." No, because those people should have taken said help themselves before they got to a permaban. The system works fine, and therefore, those who get permas deserved it.
  17. "Punishment is rarely more effective than conditional forgiveness and personal attention." Punishment is also a lot quicker and easier. No need to waste time/money/effort on others.
  18. "Consider having some type of local search plugin that will refer people to local mental health agencies or government sponsored anger management programs." Or, those toxic players could just use Google and find said sites themselves and help themselves.
FearEngineer1 votes

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Aw, I bet you feel extra good about yourself now fam!

SurrealJC1 votes

You come across as a very unforgiving person. You turn my feelings into facts and then shut them down harshly. I don't like your comment that being good is expected, because that expectation isn't realistic. Everyone makes mistakes. Point #2 is some good input though. Point #5 Saying that people can improve without help is a bit naive. Everyone who has a coach excels at what they are studying. People who are neglected have to be very healthy or determined to become the best they can be with almost a military like mind set. Now, I think I understand how this world can overcome a man. Like a friend to see us through.... As you say this is a community for everyone to have fun and I've always wanted to be the best person I can be. It's a challenge sometimes to understand everyone and how different we all are.

Astôlfo2 votes

I don't mean they have to help themselves by themselves in point 5. I meant they should seek help themselves and not wait till they get punished to do so. Everyone makes mistakes, doesn't mean that it's just reasonable to let it slide. Yes, I have my angry moments and bad moments like I'm sure most do. But! I keep it out of chat and I don't lash out at others for it. Sure, they might be doing bad but that doesn't justify me being an ass to them. After all, I probably won't see them again anyways, with the vast community of players. No point in getting so fussed up over a single round. If I'm just having a bad day all around or such, I simply take a break till I feel better and can be sure I can play reasonably normally.

Nik Nikerson1 votes

Why is acting in a civil manner an unreasonable expectation of someone?

Yes, people make mistakes. That's why generally people aren't given a permanent ban for their first punishment. The system takes that into account. It gives you the opportunity to get better. But if you keep making the same mistake again, and again, and again, it's no longer a mistake. You're choosing not to correct the problem. And if you don't want to change and improve your behavior, you should not be allowed to simply keep going without consequences until you do.

SurrealJC2 votes

I like this guy. Solid logic. And you DO get rewarded for good behaviour with skins at the end of the year and now the hextech cubes. A much more solid incentive to not be rude. One of the things that just makes me laugh the most.. and frustrated inside is when people call you "kid" like they somehow know they are more mature than you without any evidence. The internet is a funny place.

Nik Nikerson1 votes

I love the "kid" comments too. The irony is that I probably graduated from high school while they were still in diapers.

ShaftyMegee1 votes

Riot is In this business for money, and if so!e toxic players are making people quit then that means less money.... So they remove the problem (or try to cus people usually make new accounts as you stated). But what the actual fuck? Your post makes people seem like they are entitled to shit even though they don't deserve it. I cannot sympathize with people who don't learn from mistakes... Especially since riot gives so many chances.

Riot isn't in this business to help people... Why the fuck would riot reccomend people to a psych center? That would make them MORE ANGRY. Companies don't live on love and good wishes, they thrive through money... And if something is in the way of that money they remove them

Also what is with your poll? Are you trying to get some sort of sympathy?

SurrealJC1 votes

Everyone should be in the business of helping each other. The pole is to see if people think this kind of discussion is "toxic" to the community. And I think everyone should have the right to play League of Legends, whether they are a typical online gamer troll or Ghandi himself. I suppose you are right. I have known a couple people who don't like playing because of how serious people take the game. Even the comments that are trying to explain to them how to engage and how to space your positioning with other teammates and when to retreat and re-engage... I guess that is what climbing the ladder is all about. Learning to be consistent in your own gameplay enough that you win more games than you lose and being able to learn how to play around allies who aren't as good or aware of all the complicated mechanics.
I had a gold player on my ranked team the other day supporting me with annie. He walked way ahead of me and got locked down by nautilus and insta killed then blamed me for having shot at naut previously before the engagement. He went on to feed 7 times, never pinging before engaging, raging at every laner who died and just telling us how bad we are in general as a team.
After he fed a few times I just said "gg, annie feed". A follow up question I have, is it toxic to commentate on the game and, without emotion, just talk about things that happened. Is it toxic to comment on if you think your team is going to lose or win? Obviously it's best to just not think about it and hope for a comeback or to not throw. But for players who LIKE chatting.. can I not talk about my feelings with my team without being labeled as a negative person?

Jonxx1 votes

Bad Poll. Can't possibly say if you're toxic or not without seeing you in one of games where your team failed miserably.

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