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Limit the amount of reports and honors, and make them mean something.

the weeaboo··1 votes·447 views

It's just like inflation.

At the moment both honors and reports aren't worth ANYTHING. I report people. People say they will report me. I honor someone. They honor me. Guess what happens? Nothing. Unless this kid literally goes 0/20 and said the N-word 3 times, I've never seen anything done about reports.

I recommend doing it Dota 2 style, where you get ~6 honors and reports per week. That way people aren't throwing out reports at people for "feeding" when they go 3/7. They'll actually have to use their reports wisely one people they legit think should get punishment. As well, Riot will be able to more closely inspect these reports -- since 2 in every 3 of them won't be "fake" -- which will lead to more justice.

I know what you're going to say "b-but PhantomAxolotl, I get more than 6 afks, feeds, trolls, etc. in my games in a week!". People will do these things less if there is more punishment being handed out to people who deserve it. Or we get a few more.

Please just consider it.

16 Comments

LostFr0st1 votes

The honour system is getting revamped this year sometime, you're right that it means next to nothing right now.

However, reports do work. A report tells the system to check the game, there are no report weightings anymore. You just don't get the popup unless you were the one to report them in the very last game before the punishment was given.

the weeaboo1 votes

I keep a list of people I report and check their op.gg once a day for about a week. It's rare to find a ban. Maybe they are just getting chat restrictions but I rarely report people for toxicity. I mute them and move on. I only report people for giving up at 7 minutes in, then saying "gg" in the chat, then making dumb decisions, then blaming their teammates, then eventually losing the game because it's basically 4v5 and they have decreased the morale of their team by a significant margin.

Kei1431 votes

giving up is considered mild on the toxicity scale, so it'll take lots of games before they get punished.

Even if they do get punished, it'll start with a chat restriction. Most people don't re-offend after that, so your stalker action may just be in vain.

the weeaboo1 votes

thats dumb. you can mute someone who's being toxic. you cant reinvigorate a guy whos given up and tilted hard enought to make us lose.

Kei1431 votes

you cant reinvigorate a guy whos given up and tilted hard enought to make us lose

you could, just play good enough to untilt them.

that means getting them back into the game, whether that is allowing them to AFK farm, or stopping their opponents get ahead more.

But that is the exact reason why giving up is considered "toxic", as it is so demoralizing for the team. Stay positive, know your win conditions, stay cool, and you are golden.

the weeaboo1 votes

If I stay positive or do well the guy usually says "OMFG WHY YOU KS" "WHY DONT YOU JUST GIVE UP ALREADY"

Kei1431 votes

you probably are doing something wrong if that's his response.

the weeaboo1 votes

Say im playing Kass. Im 12/5. Hes 0/6. He does 1/2 a champ's health but definitely will not finish them off so I do it. Instead of him saying "hey we got a kill" its "you took my kill" even tho he wouldn't have gotten it. Every teamfight he goes in first and dies. I take out 1 or 2 but eventually die. We trade 3 for 2 and he says "omg why dont you give up already" because we lost one teamfight by a minor margin.

Kei1431 votes

then the correct thing to do is to let him be alone and cool down. ward for him, let him draw the enemy to him while you guys do other stuff on the other side of the map.

Or the enemies go to you and let him do his own thing. whatever it is, make sure to compliment him on what he was able to achieve on the macro stand point.

Different personalities require different ways to handle it. Killing people isn't the only way to play well.

LostFr0st1 votes

You need to track them through the online match history, as a summoner name change will stop you from consistently re-finding them through op.gg. I hunted a lot of leveling bots in AI on my alt account, using the online match history to verify that the summoner name is the same and then op.gging them is the sure-fire method of checking for a ban. Trust me, if they keep doing it they'll get punished, but as Kei143 mentioned it can take a while depending on severity.

DrCyanide2 votes

... if you're that determined to track them, use the Riot API to get their Summoner ID. User names change, but the ID doesn't.

Aptest1 votes

It could be really nice to have actual rewards for getting honored. I suggest, redeemable vouchers for: dodging with no time penalty, forcing or vetoring a surrender vote / surrender early, removing a champion ban from your own team, etc.

TrulyBland1 votes

Reports are already all leading to a review by the automated system. So with that in mind limiting reports would simply lead to less punishments. I also don't think it would lower the percentage of fake reports that much. I doubt people who issue fake reports care all that much about losing the ability to report an actually toxic player. Also: You not seeing anything being done about reports does not mean that nothing is done about reports.

The one thing out of your idea that strikes me as interesting is this part:

As well, Riot will be able to more closely inspect these reports -- since 2 in every 3 of them won't be "fake" -- which will lead to more justice.

We already have an automated system to dish out the fast punishment that allows Riot to review every single report. But what if we had an additional kind of report, one that requests manual review? Riot can limit the use of that report as much as they have to so they can actually deal with all of them (while taking away the ability to report from people who abuse the feature). Banning the few players that get reported with this feature isn't even the most important part, though. People can use it to point out behaviour that is difficult to automatically detect. So people could actually use this report to help Riot improve their automated system.

the weeaboo1 votes

I know that. The automated system sucks.

TrulyBland1 votes

Based on what? On the fact that you don't see anything done about your reports? Don't get me wrong, transparency is required for both the trust in and the fear of the system, and Riot needs to work on that. But these forums are definitive proof that people are banned for toxicity.

And automation is the only way to keep up with the size of the player base. Relying exclusively on manual reviews will lead to the same issue as before (only the worst of the worst of the worst get punished) on top of the issue of those punishments being dished out way slower than before, leading to a reduced learning effect for the punished person.

the weeaboo1 votes

I'm not saying remove the automated system entirely... I'm saying if reports actually matter than Riot can inspect the cases that need further inspection more often.

And as for what im basing my side off of... where are you basing YOURS off of? Where YOUR proof that people are getting punished, other than people on here trying to get their accounts unbanned? Of course these rarities are going to pop up because they are desprate and will do anything to remove the ban. Maybe they are just one person that got punished out of a thousand? People don't come on the boards and say "My teammates told me I was getting reported but I wasnt punished". Thats just dumb. At least I have some idea as to who is getting a ban by checking op.gg's and match histories. Even if they are getting chat restrictions, chat restrictions arent anything either. You're still going to tilt, give up, feed, and troll.

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