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Jo0o··75 votes·5,127 views

It was a rough one. I was on a winning streak, but it was 1 AM, I was getting tired, I was playing a new champ (Kayle, not that she's especially complex), and I just got BAD. Solo kills, carelessly getting ganked, forgetting to properly ult/use summoners, you name it. I fed HARD. It was possibly the worst I've ever played in my League career

I didn't get flamed.

I mean, there was grumbling. "First time?" "Kayle pay attention pls" "Come on, dude", etc. But I've been called every name in the book for doing half as bad, and this time, it didn't happen. We didn't play the typical League blame-game. We didn't forfeit when we were losing by a lot. We didn't passive-aggressively run off solo and get picked off. We didn't tilt. We regrouped and coordinated.

We WON.

I ended the game 5/13/12. Pretty terrible score, but you'll note that it's 5/4/11 after our turn-around point. With encouragement and not blame from my teammates, I cooled off and farmed up, focusing more on peeling/healing/ulting my carrying teammates than diving in for my own kills. I wound up ending the game with the most CS and very respectable damage/healing done, and by the end of the game, we were playing so dominantly that you almost couldn't tell how poorly I had been doing earlier.

So, a thought for you guys grumbling about being punished for toxicity: Your loss of chat privs/game time/hextech aside, you're simply shooting yourself in the foot by acting that way. Even scrubs like me can turn a bad game around, provided you work with us a bit. This game is infinitely easier to play (not to mention more fun) when everybody stays positive and keeps a level head.

TL;DR: I fed, didn't get flamed, was able to help win. Positivity>Toxicity.

74 Comments

MonkeyMadness39 votes

League players being nice and positive to each other? OH NO, THE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH!!! summoner 11

dominusx8 votes

you only turned it around because Kayle ult is one of the most toxic things in the game. you are 0-20? ok who cares just ult the 15-5 adc and win the game dont try to say that you won simply with the power of friendship and unicorns . i do not encourage flaming anymore but dont tell me a 0-9 pantheon is gonna do the same thing a 0-9 kayle can do positivity can give you a real thin chance of coming back but not all champs can do so or not every elo can do so either. Gj winning tho <3

Jo0o3 votes

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you only turned it around because Kayle ult is one of the most toxic things in the game. you are 0-20? ok who cares just ult the 15-5 adc and win the game dont try to say that you won simply with the power of friendship and unicorns . i do not encourage flaming anymore but dont tell me a 0-9 pantheon is gonna do the same thing a 0-9 kayle can do positivity can give you a real thin chance of coming back but not all champs can do so or not every elo can do so either. Gj winning tho <3

I mean, I also layed down thick damage thanks to farming up... Sure, Kayle probably has a higher-than-average impact on the game even while feeding, but plenty of champs have abilities like can shatter team fights without being fed.

Gary B Enkelis3 votes

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but plenty of champs have abilities like can shatter team fights without being fed.

That's kinda how supports stay relevant. CC is never really bad at any point of the game.

Even 0-20-0 Ashe can turn around a fight with her CC.... Well I don't know how that situation will play out but the point is CC doesn't fall off.

Avienal2 votes

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I mean, I also layed down thick damage thanks to farming up... Sure, Kayle probably has a higher-than-average impact on the game even while feeding, but plenty of champs have abilities like can shatter team fights without being fed.

It pretty much applies to any champion that can usually table flip a situation even when they are behind. For Kayle its the fact she's a Atk'speed type of AoE armor/MR shredder. If you start a team fight and your sticking close together, more then likely, Kayle will E and then easily shred 15% of your armor and MR almost instantly on your team which adds that extra damage tilt, even further if you add in wit's end for that MR stealing. She isn't a burst yolo champion but she has a kit that if you can't out'right kill her instantly, she will shred you, put up invincibility to suspend her from dying while your smacking away at them, her W adds some extra sustain and chase power and the Q is the flipside with damage and slowing, not to mention it also can apply the passive shred stack.

Oh did we forget that she is also one of the few 'mage'like champions even though she's called a fighter/support who eats up fervor of battle cause of her standard nashor tooth building style? Which alongside rage blade is going to turn her into a absolute either get her dead fast or she will murder you in a few seconds and likely your team to boot.

I would not call Kayle's ultimate the most toxic ability ever, its just a strong counter to plenty of other champions who have utterly strong hit ultimates like Yasuo's R, Malphite's R, Veigar's R, Darius's R, Cho'gath's R, etc. It won't save an entire team, but if people already have Zhonya hourglasses, Guardian Angel, Anivia has her free get out of death free passive and so on. Then a temporary invincibility for a few seconds is not the most ridiculous thing that exists atm, if we are counting the number of 'screw death utilities'.

Jo0o8 votes

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you only turned it around because Kayle ult is one of the most toxic things in the game. you are 0-20? ok who cares just ult the 15-5 adc and win the game dont try to say that you won simply with the power of friendship and unicorns . i do not encourage flaming anymore but dont tell me a 0-9 pantheon is gonna do the same thing a 0-9 kayle can do positivity can give you a real thin chance of coming back but not all champs can do so or not every elo can do so either. Gj winning tho <3

But more importantly: While I probably didn't win through the "power of friendship and unicorns", I certainly had help not losing by avoiding toxicity.

Kayle has a sweet ult, but it's REALLY HARD to work well with somebody that treats you like crap. I'm a support main, and I've supported my fair share of toxic ADCs. If I'm paired with somebody who screams "BRONZIE TRASH" every time I miss a Blitz hook and then just emote-spams under tower while saying "gg ff20" in /all, I don't have any confidence that helping him would have a favorable outcome. But the cool, collected, and positive J4 that carried the game in question had me full of confidence that spamming my ult and heal on him, rather than myself, would be reciprocated with him making plays and winning fights.

Warlord Zudane4 votes

I made a post about this recently and got the same crap from people. It isn't about rainbows and unicorns - it's about not tilting, flaming, yelling and blaming. Those are negative - saying "lets group and push" is much more positive than that.

UtilityPunk1 votes

Pretty much any time I make threads asking for advice, I get 3 - 5 *"you just suck"*s for every constructive response I get. The community as a whole is negative, but I do find enough positive players.

It Hertz When IP12 votes

"The power of friendship and unicorns" just became my new league catchphrase.

dominusx2 votes

least i did something usefull yesterday right heh

Kei1436 votes

typically if you have someone good on your team, they can pick the slack back up.

It's been happening in my recent games, where top and jg aren't doing so hot, but mid is even and bot is stomping.

With proper warding / zoning, our support got our mid kat a rental I'll and the game just reversed snowball into our favor, ending the game with another pentakill from kat.

Most the time, the ones complaining are the ones that don't know their win conditions and thus only knows how to complain.

Ionian6 votes

Aw, you poor little thing. You actually think you won because of the power of friendship? Your team managed to carry you, good job to them. Whatever they said or wanted to say to you had absolutely no impact on the outcome of the game. Toxicity is in every elo, wonder why? Because it doesn't affect your skill. Some of the most toxic players are master+, and it's not because you behave like an angel that you'll instantly get high elo :/

DREADN0UGHT11 votes

[{quoted}](name=An Ionian Girl,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FNw4pLEc,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-08-18T21:59:21.022+0000)

Some of the most toxic players are master+,

I'd love to see stats for that bullshit statement.

Rozair3 votes

I used to be a toxic ahole and I'm Plat 2. It's not master or even diamond but when people play like shit like this guy did it makes someone who is actually trying pissed off. 0/9/1 is intentionally feeding or bronze 5 mechanics. If you die once in lane and walk back to die 8 more times as a ranged champion well then you deserve to be flamed. I once played with a Fiora who was laning against a teemo and went 0/4/0 in lane. In plantum that's just as many deaths as about 8-10 equivalent to bronze. My entire team was pissed. This Fiora refused to listen. The turn around was this player wanted to win as well so we had a comeback and won but usually once a player starts trolling they deserve everything players say to them

Jo0o7 votes

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I used to be a toxic ahole and I'm Plat 2. It's not master or even diamond but when people play like shit like this guy did it makes someone who is actually trying pissed off. 0/9/1 is intentionally feeding or bronze 5 mechanics. If you die once in lane and walk back to die 8 more times as a ranged champion well then you deserve to be flamed. I once played with a Fiora who was laning against a teemo and went 0/4/0 in lane. In plantum that's just as many deaths as about 8-10 equivalent to bronze. My entire team was pissed. This Fiora refused to listen. The turn around was this player wanted to win as well so we had a comeback and won but usually once a player starts trolling they deserve everything players say to them

As I said, I was very tired and played unusually badly. They picked up on that and camped me.

Did I "deserve to be flamed", as you say? Golly, by your standards I did. But what the fuck does that accomplish? My teammates resisted flaming me, which helped us all avoid tilting, and we won as a team.

You "used to be" a toxic a-hole? If you think somebody having an unusually bad game is a signal to unload your hatred upon them, I suspect you aren't nearly as reformed as you think you are.

Rozair3 votes

your right im not reformed at all. That doesnt change the fact that you played a game knowing you would not play your best because you were tiered. When you queued up for a ranked game you should never handicap yourself and thats what normals are for.

Jo0o7 votes

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your right im not reformed at all. That doesnt change the fact that you played a game knowing you would not play your best because you were tiered. When you queued up for a ranked game you should never handicap yourself and thats what normals are for.

Dude, it wasn't ranked, and I didn't realize how tired I was until the match started.

Rozair7 votes

then im sorry... maybe this post just seemed like a rant to me. again sorry

DREADN0UGHT5 votes

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I used to be a toxic ahole and I'm Plat 2.

Yeah ok, whats your point?

It's not master or even diamond but when people play like shit like this guy did it makes someone who is actually trying pissed off.

What does elo have to do with being pissed off at a feeding teammate?

0/9/1 is intentionally feeding or bronze 5 mechanics.

According to Rozair.

If you die once in lane and walk back to die 8 more times as a ranged champion well then you deserve to be flamed.

And to what purpose would you do that? Is there a magical flame chant that increases poor performance? Or is it simply to let some boiling nerd steam out?

I once played

Here comes the ''THIS ONE TIME, I MYSELF HAD THAT HAPPEN TO ME SO ITS TRUE'' example

with a Fiora who was laning against a teemo and went 0/4/0 in lane. In plantum that's just as many deaths as about 8-10 equivalent to bronze. My entire team was pissed. This Fiora refused to listen. The turn around was this player wanted to win as well so we had a comeback and won but usually once a player starts trolling they deserve everything players say to them

Again, rank has nothing to do with it. I'm plat too, and I don't see less feeders than back when I was Gold, or Silver, or Bronze. I could go through my match history and find that one Darius game where I fed something like 11 kills and we lost, and its whateves. I tilted and it was a bad game, it doesn't make your argument any more valid.

Rozair1 votes

good players dont have bad games or if they do they know how to get back into the game.

Jo0o5 votes

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good players dont have bad games or if they do they know how to get back into the game.

And I got back into the game, going 5/4/12 after laning.

DrinkMoreWhiskey1 votes

What better way to make a player that's trying to win, but playing badly start trolling than to rage at them.

You're kinda stupid if you can't connect the dots in that one. I see some trash bag games in your history, guess what bad games happen to everyone.

Raging at them just makes them go from trying to full on trolling, and distracts the rest of your team to boot.

Rozair1 votes

The difference between me and you is that if someone is raging at me I try even harder to prove them wrong. And never have I fed my lane unless my whole team was losing and feed the enemy jungler

DrinkMoreWhiskey1 votes

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The difference between me and you is that if someone is raging at me I try even harder to prove them wrong. And never have I fed my lane unless my whole team was losing and feed the enemy jungler

Because every person in the universe responds that way. Not brain surgery here, regardless of how you personally respond, most people tilt.

Sooooo for every 1 guy that "rises to the challenge" 10 guys say screw this I quit.

I mean you do the math.

Rozair1 votes

And that's what's wrong with this community.

DrinkMoreWhiskey1 votes

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And that's what's wrong with this community.

That they don't like getting raged at?

Rozair1 votes

That they can't handle it. When your father yelled at you when you were a lid did you go to your room and cry or did you try to make him proud of you by doing good. Same concept.

Ionian2 votes

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I'd love to see stats for that bullshit statement.

Tyler1, for example?

DREADN0UGHT5 votes

Oh yeah so you take THE most toxic player in League history and use him as an absolute proof that ''some of the most toxic players are Masters+''

haha

Ionian2 votes

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Oh yeah so you take THE most toxic player in League history and use him as an absolute proof that ''some of the most toxic players are Masters+''

haha

My sentence is logically and undisputably correct. There's also more but they're nobodies so I don't remember their names.

Jo0o6 votes

[{quoted}](name=An Ionian Girl,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FNw4pLEc,comment-id=000a0000000100000000,timestamp=2016-08-18T23:17:40.048+0000)

My sentence is logically and undisputably correct. There's also more but they're nobodies so I don't remember their names.

It's also not "stats", which is what Galactic originally asked for. A single point of data is not "stats".

Tyler1 is toxic and is/was good at this game (does he still play? I thought he was gone forever). You don't remember any other name to support your assertion. I'm sure toxic people are capable of succeeding in this game, but it's probably harder for them.

Simple point I'm trying to make here: I've never heard of a game being won through toxicity. But I'm providing an example of a game that COULD have been lost due to it, but wasn't, and actually was won. Take from that what you will.

dominusx1 votes

he ain't THE most you just know he was toxic i' saw a dude somewhere with like 30perma's dont remember his name tho Tyler1 got famous because he did it on stream

Jo0o5 votes

[{quoted}](name=An Ionian Girl,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=FNw4pLEc,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2016-08-18T21:59:21.022+0000)

Aw, you poor little thing. You actually think you won because of the power of friendship? Your team managed to carry you, good job to them. Whatever they said or wanted to say to you had absolutely no impact on the outcome of the game. Toxicity is in every elo, wonder why? Because it doesn't affect your skill. Some of the most toxic players are master+, and it's not because you behave like an angel that you'll instantly get high elo :/

In your rush to make me feel worse about myself, you missed a couple components of my story.

Did I carry the team? Not even remotely. My teammates that DID carry did most of the heavy lifting. They did so a) without flaming me, but significantly more importantly b) without getting tilted and raging about my poor early performance. Plenty of skilled players allow themselves to tilt and rage when somebody like me starts a game off that badly, and they often wind up either prematurely forfeiting or just playing badly and adding to the feeding frenzy.

Ionian1 votes

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In your rush to make me feel worse about myself, you missed a couple components of my story.

Did I carry the team? Not even remotely. My teammates that DID carry did most of the heavy lifting. They did so a) without flaming me, but significantly more importantly b) without getting tilted and raging about my poor early performance. Plenty of skilled players allow themselves to tilt and rage when somebody like me starts a game off that badly, and they often wind up either prematurely forfeiting or just playing badly and adding to the feeding frenzy.

I said "Your team managed to carry you, good job to them". Can you read? :<

MagosAmphrose11 votes

You also said, "Aww, you poor little thing. You actually think you won because of the power of friendship?"

That's flamebait if I ever saw it, good sir. The OP's point is that flaming and being negative and going 'gg report team plz' is a one-way ticket to losing elo. Staying positive or, if nothing else, not typing, is key to turning everything around.

You came across as a massive asshole, and your follow-up straw man argument just confirms the point.

Naenia4 votes

I actually played a game recently where all lanes and jg were doing horrible. One person actually was flaming on another person who was missing almost all of their skill shots but instead of flaming all game, everyone started working together and our game greatly improved and we wound up winning. Also, the person who was missing all of their skill shots started landing them and ultimately became the MVP of the game and people on our team and the enemy team were giving them compliments saying they're OP and they carried hard. So lesson learned: Instead of being toxic and flaming, work with your team and give them positive encouragement. It may be a game changer. :)

Bronze fiend4 votes

People have to understand that flaming does not help under any circumstance.

Gary B Enkelis3 votes

Dude, Kayle is hard. Nice experience, though.

Jo0o5 votes

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Dude, Kayle is hard. Nice experience, though.

Having played three Kayle games, my assessment is that Kayle is Magical Garen.

It Hertz When IP2 votes

I'm still emotionally attached to building her AP bruiser from S1, never could adapt to building her ranged glass cannon. Hence why I don't play her. :P

S0NA1 votes

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Having played three Kayle games, my assessment is that Kayle is Magical Garen.

Not really. She's difficult to lane with. Mana problems and such. She also auto-pushes, which is hard if u get ganked.

The Abomination3 votes

I just had a game where yasuo went 0/15 in lane because he thought he could veigar. No one on our team flamed him just a couple things like "cmon man" but instead I said yasuo you are fine. He went on to split push top and group sometimes (never typed once) but we grouped and we ended up winning the game and it made me so happy cause the enemy team was saying ez in chat all game. So yes this sort of thing does happen. :)

Meta Phyton3 votes

So true. We can have a way funner time, and not have to tryhard as much .. if we do our job to keep our heads on straight.

Keep on esteeming those teammates. It's way better than blowing the top off and making everyone our enemy - even our teammates who won't even care if we walk into trouble.

We like people, we want to see them succeed. That doesn't need sugar and rainbows; just .. decency to respect and esteem the team, even when they're having a bad match.

Anyway it just makes logical sense to help the guy who is lagging behind since, if he made some mistakes and turns out to be easily targetable for a while .. he's temporarily vulnerable to give the opponent team even more advantage if they pick him/her off a few times more.

SkyBlade793 votes

I played an absolutely amazing game last time I played. I was trying to learn Riven Jungle, and was doing horrible (I think I was 1/8 by 25 minutes?), but my team didn't flame me at all. My computer also shut down for no reason at one point, so even though I was afk, my team didn't say anything bad. I told them it was computer issues, and they refused to report me :) In fact, we had civil, friendly conversation the whole game, with my team not mentioning my mistakes. Even though I pointed out how much I was feeding, they didn't really mind at all. In the end, I ended up doing really well, and I think that it's at least partially because my team didn't flame me and tilt me. I wish every game was like that.

EDIT: Okay, I didn't do really well at all. In fact, I only did 8k damage in a 35 minutes game. But it appeared as if I was doing well, because I'm so used to getting flamed if I'm not.

iamthegoatofwar3 votes

I remember my last nasus game I was having a fairly hard time farming vs the new ryze (dude is cancer honestly). My lee was toxic as hell, but viktor managed to pull my spirits up just a bit when he aided me and lee both 3v3 in the enemy jungle. I walked away with I think 2 kills and an assist and only lee died (honestly thank god). I simply said "we're on a roll now". Viktor boosted my spirits simply by saying "yes...lets try to keep it going". Course lee was being salty about dying...something about me not blocking a gragas body slam I think.

invisiblecat12 votes

When I went 0/5 as the old Zyra mid people didn't flame me and then I played seriously and went 10/5

Troll for Trump2 votes

Some people will tilt really easily. People who end up retaliating get triggered really easily. People keep getting triggered off each other and out becomes a mess of reports and flaming. You didn't get triggered off those comments. Other people might. In another game, you could see way more toxic people. It's great you didn't get triggered.

Linthe2 votes

Solid. +1.

The first part happens to pretty much everyone...

The second part... not nearly as much.

Props to you for hanging in and to your teammates for not getting down on you.

Dismerzilex1 votes

TL:DR, your team didn't effect your play; if you're a victim of your own feelings, then LoL probably isn't for you.

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