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Surrendering epidemic

SolidBaby··2 votes·841 views

Back in season 4 in NA soloq it seemed almost impossible to get a team to surrender. Back then I had the opinion that people were irrationally against surrendering which I found somewhat frustrating at times. In contrast if you watched high elo KR soloq games they would frequently be surrendered. Ironically, things are now in the opposite extreme and I find myself even more frustrated with the amount of players who are declaring my games over at 10 minutes or less.

I find player behavior is actually far worse now. At least in the old circumstance the players had a positive attitude about winning (like they thought it was possible and therefor were not spending a good portion of valuable game time complaining about how it's hopeless). The worst thing is most of these people have a far from objective outlook on the game. And often times the player who wants to quit is also the person who is most responsible for the team being behind. There should be a player behavior initiative to correct this. I don't even care if it's a joke, I don't want to see my teammate declare gg at 5 minutes ever again. No game is over at 5 minutes. It shouldn't be acceptable behavior to stop trying at that point when you have four other people on your team who went into soloq trying to win a game.

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Lady Ravenmore3 votes

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Back in season 4 in NA soloq it seemed almost impossible to get a team to surrender. Back then I had the opinion that people were irrationally against surrendering which I found somewhat frustrating at times. In contrast if you watched high elo KR soloq games they would frequently be surrendered. Ironically, things are now in the opposite extreme and I find myself even more frustrated with the amount of players who are declaring my games over at 10 minutes or less.

I find player behavior is actually far worse now. At least in the old circumstance the players had a positive attitude about winning (like they thought it was possible and therefor were not spending a good portion of valuable game time complaining about how it's hopeless). The worst thing is most of these people have a far from objective outlook on the game. And often times the player who wants to quit is also the person who is most responsible for the team being behind. There should be a player behavior initiative to correct this. I don't even care if it's a joke, I don't want to see my teammate declare gg at 5 minutes ever again. No game is over at 5 minutes. It shouldn't be acceptable behavior to stop trying at that point when you have four other people on your team who went into soloq trying to win a game.

A lot of this has to do with the generation of children playing the game. They all have a defeatist attitude...Look around it's not just league. This whole safespace bs, and mentality is ruining everything.

YCitizenSnipsY2 votes

In season 4 Riot tried to stop snowballing mechanics by introducing changes that were less punishing for mistakes. Reducing first blood gold, changing the way inhibitors worked, changing the towers. The reason surrender was less common in season 4 is because late game comps were favored and just turtling until you out scaled the enemy team was more common.

Honestly I don't get you "never surrender" players. Its a game and there comes a point where enjoying yourself is gonna out weigh the possibility of a comeback win, the surrender mechanic exist in this game for that very reason. Just becasue you think the game is winnable doesn't mean other players do nor does it mean they should continue to play a game they don't enjoy.

Prozzak1 votes

Just because you think the game is over doesn't mean other players do nor does it mean they should be forced to stop playing a game they think is winnable.

edit: There is a reason it takes 4 to surrender.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

Keeping a player in a game they don't think is winnable isn't going to better your chances either. Their not suddenly gonna start trying or fixing their mistakes because your holding them hostage. Sometimes the enemy team has better players and you lose, might as well end it earlier and try again than waste time on the hope of a throw.

Prozzak1 votes

So in your mind, one person with a piss poor attitude trumps 4 people who think a game is winnable?

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

If 4v5 wasn't a big deal you wouldn't be punished for afking and it wouldn't be reportable. Its a team game and if everyone isn't giving their best then their is really no point in continuing in the hopes that the enemy team will just magically throw away their lead. The people that have the ability to carry games are in high elo and don't have to complain about this sort of thing becasue it isn't and issue for them. For the rest of the league, such as players like myself, that is reliant on team as much as themselves playing a game with a team mate that has given up is a waste of time.

Prozzak1 votes

Maybe the reason you are where you are is because of this attitude of "oh he looks like he has given up, guess I should also".

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

Or maybe its the fact that Riot has been changing the game to be more team focused for the past two years. And trying to win a game that is basically a 4v5 is more pointless than ever.

But please try to keep convincing me that a game is just as winnable when you have a teammate that no longer wants to win. Surrender exist for a reason and people shouldn't be punished for wanting to use an in game mechanic. Next you will tell me muting people should get people reported for refusing to communicate.

Prozzak1 votes

I never said you can't surrender. All I said was that just because one person wants to surrender shouldn't mean everyone should follow suit like you seem to think they should.

You have stated that one, read that again just ONE person wanting to surrender means that the entire team should give up even if they think the game is winnable. Do you not see how wrong that mindset is? That one person would hold greater weight over four people?

Also note, I never once said the game is "just as winnable" I simply stated that the game is still winnable. Big difference.

YCitizenSnipsY2 votes

A person that no longer wants to win is about as useful to a team as an afk, and as I said before there is a reason afking is punishable. It basically becomes a 4v5 becasue you have a person on your team that doesn't want to win, and in an era of this game where teamwork is more important than ever there is absolutely zero reason to down anyone who would rather surrender than play with a handicap.

Prozzak1 votes

There is a difference between someone who doesn't care about winning anymore and someone who is trolling. If you are talking about a guy straight feeding, then sure the game is probably lost. However if you are talking about someone just not giving it 100% and instead giving about 50%, the game is still very much winnable because people like that can change their mind again and try after one teamfight working well.

Anyway though, outside of that I am done with this conversation. It is clear that you are set in your ways.

YCitizenSnipsY2 votes

Doubt a teamfight is going to "go well" if the person not trying isn't doing their part in the first place.

But your right this conversation is pointless because you sure seem to be dead set on down talking anyone who doesn't refuse to surrender.

Lu7GxFdkYz1 votes

plenty of games are over at 5 mins. if you have 5 deaths in 5 mins. its over.

SolidBaby2 votes

From my experience having playing a good amount in every league besides challenger/masters. No game is over at 5 minutes in Gold or below. In everyone of these games teams routinely make mistakes that cause 5 kill gold swings. Low skill games are chaotic and the game actually is way more even now. I've had so many games that turn, won a game today with no nexus turrets. Everyone was saying gg but then we killed them, aced their team in mid lane and ended.

DJColdCutz1 votes

Toward the end of last season and into this pre-season, rito has added a lot of snowbally mechanics/champions to League, so I think a lot more games are decided early on, especially in Bronze - Gold, than there used to be. That being said, a lot of people give up early necessarily because one of their lanes sucks and feeds a couple kills quickly, flame fights break out, etc., when really, you can have a really sucky laning phase and then all of a sudden everyone groups and wins a dragon fight and the game snowballs in your favor from there..

I try to keep my hopes up even if we're losing through laning phase and into the first fight.. If we lose the first team fight too, then I think it's pretty safe to say nothing will change.

l Main Renekton1 votes

The style of the game is now snowball based and less prone to just turn around, which is why teams now have a feeling that when they're behind, they're done for for good

Lady Ravenmore1 votes

I think what OP might be getting at here is the majority of players are ready to surrender at first blood. Every game is a lesson.

PIMPSMOOTH1 votes

If it's a normal match and 3 teammates want to quit - let them go. The only thing worse than the 3 feeders who quit 5 minutes in are the 2 momo's who hold them hostage for 40 minutes because they never say die in a normals match nobody cares about.

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