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Riot shouldn't ban people for flaming prove me wrong

DaddyKeem·5/9/2019, 12:20:38 PM·7 votes·5,790 views

Riot should not ban people for flaming. Its a part of the game whether people like it or not. Its inevitable. So instead of just permabanning someone for losing their cool, give them a chat restriction to stop them from doing the one thing that got them the punishment in the first place. Riot should only perma ban accounts for int feeding or extended periods or repeated trolling targeted at the same person. They can see the whole match history, they can see that someone was running it down every time someone got into a lobby with someone they don't like. But banning someone for being a bit mad and letting someone know the truth shouldn't result in them not being able to play the game again unless they sink another 20 or so hours, maybe longer, into a new account just to play with proper players again. Stop the problem from happening not the player. If it keeps repeating, increase the severity of the chat restriction to a max of 5 messages a game. have a bigger limit on pings. Things like that that could potentially mean someone would keep playing the game after the punishment. They probably wont change anything to do with this and they're just gonna keep getting people banned because they typed a few words at someone being a pain in the ass in your game.

But hey just my opinion <:)

46 Comments

ModThe Djinn5/9/2019, 12:24:33 PM27 votes

Things like that that could potentially mean someone would keep playing the game after the punishment.

Sure, but the stated goal is that Riot wants to remove players who refuse to follow the rules repeatedly. So the fact that they stop playing is a feature, not a bug.

That said, this whole "change my mind" thing is overrated. You're entitled to your opinion, and if you don't see why a company might wish to say "this is something people assume is part of gaming, but doesn't have to be an accepted part of our community," then we're not likely to be able to persuade you.

hrooza dota 5/9/2019, 1:31:34 PM15 votes

how do you prove an opinion wrong?

[sg-lux-2]

wilosonmeat5/9/2019, 12:25:27 PM14 votes

they know the rules, they choose ro break them so they should be punished. chat restrictions dont work, they tried. and "letting someone know the truth" isnt an excuse for being an ass.

DalekZec5/9/2019, 12:37:15 PM10 votes

If there was a football match and there's this 1 player shouting all "YOU SUCK!", "I HOPE YOU GET CANCER!", and other bullshit, then he's not contributing much for his team.

Same goes to league of legends.

If you want to be a raging 12 year old tyler1 wannabe, then make your own and include "You can flame, int, and afk all you want".

This "I should be allowed to flame" bullshit is so delusional. The game is already a sport. Might as well have some sort of honor for it when you play it.

Vaelkyrie5/9/2019, 7:52:54 PM5 votes

Might I suggest a little self-control - exercising it goes a long way to avoiding toxicity bans. Toxic behaviour is not an unavoidable part of playing the game - that's an excuse used by people who WANT it to be part of the game so that they can behave on-line in ways they couldn't in person. In fact, that's a good rule to follow: if it would get you punched IRL, then maybe it's behaviour that leads to bans and time-outs in game.

If you are typing, you aren't CSing, dropping wards or pre-shopping...so really you have become part of the problem that you think behaving badly will solve.

Uriel5/9/2019, 3:59:52 PM5 votes

There's a difference between flaming and constructive criticism.

If I swear at someone for playing bad, they won't play better.

If I tell someone they should do X or Y next time, or should not do X or Y any more, then that gives them information to adapt into future games.

The prior is flaming. The latter is actually providing critique.

R107 Games5/9/2019, 12:31:21 PM3 votes

Can't prove you wrong; you're right

GatekeeperTDS5/9/2019, 12:39:35 PM3 votes

Riot wants people who can't be reformed to stop playing. Prove you want to keep your account by following the very simple rules.

Telephone Booth5/9/2019, 11:35:24 PM2 votes

Opinions arent facts. Your opinion is valid, just like opinions the other way. Neither are right or wrong. Theyre just opinions.

Madjack015/9/2019, 12:29:14 PM2 votes

Reading “I was banned for no reason, I only wanted everybody to die once“ threads on this forum is like reading orbituaries in the newspaper.

You can't take that away from me.

Ph03n1xb1rd5/9/2019, 1:41:44 PM2 votes

In Rito's opinion infinitely growing chat restrictions turns people int brainless zombies with the sole purpose to ruin the game for every living being.

So, while you are totally right, they will never do it, since they love to stick to this idea.

U Ratchet5/9/2019, 9:06:22 PM2 votes

I believe perm bans are horrible, I just lost an account I had since 2012 and over 700 USD worth of skins on because someone banned my champ and in return I banned his and since it was my last straw I was banned perm. Keep in mind I never even called him trash or whatever.... however perm bans cause league to lose money, might as well just do SUPER long chat restrictions like month longs ones, also my friend was perm banned now he spends his days ruining ranked games so there’s that, I know many people with perm banned accounts that just hop on to make people lose on their accounts and just play it off as they’re bad lol, perm bans are ridiculous

BigBellBrute5/10/2019, 4:46:39 AM2 votes

Prove me wrong.....

Person that says it proceeds to offer a statement that is not provable, nor disprovable and wouldn't accept any proof offered if it were.

Prove me wrong... Pineapple upside down cake is awesome!!!

HorribleSuperman12/15/2019, 2:29:00 PM1 votes

I have the same thing in my mind, I understand. But the fact is the enemy team actually get benefit from that feeder, they like him maybe. If u all chat to flame him, the enemy team will defence him. In the end, you will most likely end up with a 1 vs 6 flaming competition. And get reported of course.

For a top lane main, LOL doesn't really feel like a team game in the laning phase, so you will be quite mad when feeder start to affect your play. Then we have few options,

Join your team, try to carry the game and fight those who are fed by your team, risk your KDA for your team's victory. (i don't think it's fair, the feeder fed that monster and you have to deal with it)
Split push, Try to draw the enemy's attention, but what if your team can't even hold the door with 4 vs 3, you will still risk getting report by your team for not grouping. (It works in rank game, but not vs those "it's just normal game" feeder)

3.AFK farm, avoid team fight and the those fed by feeder. Protect your KDA from the feeder or the team. And very likely to get reported for not grouping. (i won't do it in rank game )

It will not bring you any happiness while facing these options, it might make you a bit mad because you have to suffer for the mess he created. I know it's a team game so we are responsible for everyone in your team, choosing no.1 is right and no.3 is wrong. BUT, The better players are responsible for the feeder because he is in your team. and what is the feeder's responsibility? Can't even let his team blame him for feeding while they are trying so hard to carry his ass? If we can't flame a feeder, it's unfair for those who still have hope in the team and try to carry the game.

PandaskinBen5/9/2019, 1:49:38 PM1 votes

So what you are saying is I can troll, as long as it is with different people in the game?

Certified Jagen5/10/2019, 6:55:36 AM1 votes

I don't know if the massive amounts of downvotes represent the player base or just the forums, but I think the argument OP is making is that swearing (even at someone) and criticizing people, even getting legitimately mad, is an unavoidable part of a game structured in such a way as League and therefore should not carry such a high penalty, though some penalty is warranted. This game is technically 13+ or PEGI 12+, it's not unreasonable to ask that the players be treated as (ultimately flawed) grown ups.

Nobody in real life disappears when they're being mean to you. Your boss could call you a lazy POS leasing a single brain cell and there's not much that would happen beyond an HR reprimand. A jerk on the street could throw an insult your direction on his way out of the bar and you have to learn to either confront it or ignore it. Obviously threats of violence, harassment, targeting a victim, or other actions can get you in real trouble, and these are where much stricter policing should come in (and honestly crack down harder than even Riot does).

It's not too much to ask that people recognize that online content means interacting with both sensible or kind and irrational or generally mean people. Accept that there are probably factors beyond the game going into people's flaming. I know I've gotten flamed hard before (honestly would be surprised if it wasn't automatically flagged post-game) and calmly reasoned with that person until they either calm down as well or explain their behavior (hopefully both). Similarly, I've had irl stuff lead me to flame before. We're not perfect. Sometimes that person won't be consolable though, or is just rude to a point where it's not acceptable, and at that point, one should be ready to either defend themselves or confront the flamer. Beat them in a battle of words before beating the enemy team, it might silence them or at least help bring together the rest of the team. At the VERY least, there's always that handy little "mute" button, or just not looking at chat (as I often accidentally do anyways). There are adult ways to handle flaming beyond severe punishments and the report system.

I understand where everyone is coming from, but take a look at yourself and your history. Are you perfect? Have you had bad games and bad days? Do you deserve to be punished for those times? Ruminate on it, maybe you'll agree, maybe not, but at least you'll think about it and perhaps it'll only strengthen your own sentiments, but you'll have a better argument and understanding for having done so either way.

Sorry for the novella, but I think this is as concise as I can get the point of it across.

Caius Cosades5/10/2019, 2:46:53 PM1 votes

At the end of the day, people who flame are bad for the game. Not only do they make the experience worse for everyone in the game on the obvious surface level (it sucks to be in a game with someone who's being a jerk for any reason), the behavior also makes bad situations worse by tilting the people involved, from the people who are the targets of flaming who might already be having a rough game, to the flamers themselves, who are letting their rage get the better of them.

If you can't control your anger when you play the game, do not use the chat functions, or do not play the game.

If you let rage beat you, and you flame, you earn the ban.

Méchanica5/10/2019, 2:53:53 PM1 votes

Sounds like you flame on the reg and don't like getting in trouble for it

Aeshura5/10/2019, 4:02:29 PM1 votes

Admittedly didnt read past its a part if the game.

Its not coded into the game.

Its not written into the bios.

The internet is part of society. People are expected to behave as they would in social settings. The internet isnt some "safe haven" for vitrol run by secret legendary cabal of "neckbeards"

And I get it there are some for whom the internet is truly their only source of social interaction. But saying its expected is like saying we're just not going to build steps anymore because there are wheelchairs now

Luigi Tortellini5/10/2019, 4:49:33 PM1 votes

You don't know this community very well do you. It's a bunch of dudes who pay good money to dress up Ahri like a school girl or put Caitlin in a Bikini. The entire gameplay loop of League is whoever wins early gets to feel good about themselves for the rest of the game is they win over and over again. What I'm saying is a large portion of people who play this game are not very confident and have fragile egos. Riot knows their audience, otherwise they would punish actual trolling instead of catering to people who don't know how to /muteall and spent $100 buying skimpi outfits for Ahri and Lux.

Umery15/10/2019, 6:13:39 PM1 votes

You're r%%%%%ed, prove me wrong. But hey that's just my opinion <:)

bobtrole5/10/2019, 7:31:38 PM1 votes

The first 4 comments it showed me were obviously not written by avg joe who logs in after school/work and plays ranked hoping to climb the ladder system for honor and glory while simultaneously honing his/her skills and acquiring carnal knowledge of sweet double and triple kills.

Werent the first lets say roughly 5 years of league of legends far better than the instanced version we have to deal with today? Back then you definitely could and would berate, harass, spam ping and use any and all allowed sort of tools so to speak, in order to, and I quote (although possibly paraphrase) "remove bad players by getting them to not log in anymore" now look at this mess. Its entirety of promoted material coming from this cesspool is directed at taking our own tools and trying to use them against us.

Clearly, this is being done, and it can remain being the case. However it won't change what is right. A good player is in actuality always right and a bad player is always wrong. No ammount of player moderators trying to make good players eat their own words by group trolling them will change this. Riot is locking away a significant ammount of one trick mains in the dungeons and pits of ranked for better or worse. Lots of people don't understand all the mechanisms that drive the game, hell I dont anymore. But I do know of one main all consuming mechanism that drives all games forward: total games played and time interval between them. Those of you who are constantly chugging away at this bottomless well of hope are evetually going to be way better than these trolling mods that are throwing your games and especially your promos.

Riot here's a tip. Fire them or pay them $0 since you cant pay them negative dollars. Then pay your game devs and artists their salary.

Also maybe run that last bit by the artists/devs before arbitrating how you feel about my comment.

MjolnirOdenson5/10/2019, 9:17:48 PM1 votes

Trash talking and flaming SHOULD be in the game! it's not about what the rules are, it's about what the rules SHOULD BE!

If people care about winning and losing then they will be emotional about winning and losing.

You can turn all chat on and off, you can mute pings, emotes, and chat for each person. Anyone who doesn't like it has multiple ways to not see it...why in the world does trash talking need to be removed for people who want it. "I don't like it so you shouldn't get to do it". That's BS

I've played thousands and thousands of games of lol...9 players per game. If 10 of them thought I was too mean by their own standards I can get banned? That's a horrible standard!

Unfortunately I have had to turn off all chat and move my chat off screen just so I'm not tempted to type ever in the off chance the 1 in 500,000 person gets pissed and I get chat or perma banned.

And that isolation from people in the community is making me play less and less. Can't joke, can't be silly, can't meme... And with that goes meeting people in game.

TacticalBigBoss5/11/2019, 7:31:29 AM1 votes

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Riot should not ban people for flaming. Its a part of the game whether people like it or not. Its inevitable. So instead of just permabanning someone for losing their cool, give them a chat restriction to stop them from doing the one thing that got them the punishment in the first place. Riot should only perma ban accounts for int feeding or extended periods or repeated trolling targeted at the same person. They can see the whole match history, they can see that someone was running it down every time someone got into a lobby with someone they don't like. But banning someone for being a bit mad and letting someone know the truth shouldn't result in them not being able to play the game again unless they sink another 20 or so hours, maybe longer, into a new account just to play with proper players again. Stop the problem from happening not the player. If it keeps repeating, increase the severity of the chat restriction to a max of 5 messages a game. have a bigger limit on pings. Things like that that could potentially mean someone would keep playing the game after the punishment. They probably wont change anything to do with this and they're just gonna keep getting people banned because they typed a few words at someone being a pain in the ass in your game.

But hey just my opinion <:)

I mean there is a mute button for a reason if someone does not like what someone is saying then mute them... If they don't mute then they must not really care and shouldn't be able to report the person because they did very little to stop the flaming so I think the same way, I sometimes lose my cool because playing in bronze no matter how good you are doing it just takes one feeder or troll and everyone on their team is now fed and ruins the game for others.. people flaming me doesn't ruin the game for me it's the rampant feeders and trolls that keep making me and a lot of other people lose matches and mostly during my or their promos... Riot you make a lot of money from all of us I myself have 611 skins and I had hoped that by now you have found a way to fix this growing problem... But I fear that will never happen so idk if I can keep supporting you the way I have been.. I'll still play with my friends and play ranked but this is kinda crazy... Went off topic but had to get that out there... Faming does not ruin games because there is a mute button that is free at the ingame shop for everyone to use... There is no buttons to not play with feeders and/or trolls or even a kick button to kick players like that and have a bot play in their place

Eisfell5/15/2019, 5:15:56 PM1 votes

You're entitled to your opinion. However, you're choosing to play league and agree to play by their terms when you make an account, same as everyone. I understand wanting to say something to someone who isn't playing well. In my opinion, however, there are better ways to do it then tell someone they suck and should stop playing. I've seen someone say "how can you get mad if someone is telling you that you suck at your job and it's true?" A valid point from some perspectives. But truth in the face of the frustration that player is probably already feeling does not suddenly win you the game. Maybe it makes you feel better telling someone to uninstall, and in that case you have succeeded. However, this is a team oriented game. The object is to work together to destroy the enemy nexus. You are only working against your team by flaming someone, even if you feel it's warranted. That's why riot has chosen to ban people who flame. Your action of tearing someone down is deliberate, whereas someone not playing well is not always intentionally doing so. In the event that they are trolling, or toxic, why bother stooping to their level? Why become involved in a situation that is beyond your control? Mute, report, and move on. Riot will ban them if it's warranted and that's all that can be done. I'd say you can advise the player how to play perform better if you have an idea of how to do so without being an ass... BUT because flaming is so frequent and expected, the response of the 'bad' player is generally assuming you're trying to flame them, rather than being helpful and friendly. So, clearly it's enough of a problem that riot decided they needed to do something about it. Again, you're entitled to your opinion, I just hope it doesn't result in your ban if you truly enjoy playing the game.

RightClickMan5/9/2019, 6:28:26 PM1 votes

Here's one for the masses: How about Riot removes in-game chat altogether as it has been superseded by emotes and pings?

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