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It Is Not The Jungler's Job to Stop You From Feeding: A PSA

CloakAndGrenade·4/5/2019, 1:18:38 AM·23 votes·6,920 views

This is a concept that I feel the need to explain since it seems that even at high gold, low platinum Elo it isn't understood.

It is not the Jungler's job to stop you from feeding. You need to understand that if you die twice before he can even do one full clear, it's extremely difficult to gank for you now. The enemy laner is going to have a huge stat advantage. Tank junglers aren't going to be able to withstand damage from a carry who gets fed early. Assassin junglers aren't going to be able to burst a champion who has three levels advantage on them. With every kill that you feed over it makes it THAT much harder to gank for you.

Back. Up. Should the jungler help a losing lane? Sometimes, sure. However, if your laner is fed, it's going to require more set-up from the jungler to succeed.

"Set up for a gank? It takes 10 seconds, just get in there and do it, you just suck" - (Actual comment I've seen today)

Yes, set up. If the enemy has vision and can see the jungler coming, they can evade the gank mush easier. Vision control is required to some degree. Scuttles, vision cones, control wards, sweepers, regular wards. If the top laner is begging for a gank, but the enemy laner has a control ward in the bush and the entire topside of the map is dark, that is an extremely dangerous gank and won't likely be possible if the enemy laner is good. (which, he should be, right? If the enemy isn't good, that means someone who isn't good getting fed, which doesn't look good on the person giving over kills, does it?).

If the enemy jungler is MIA, this also makes it difficult, ESPECIALLY if the enemy jungler is also fed off of the laner's deaths. You know what would make the situation far worse? You desperately needing a gank because your laner is fed, only to have a counter-gank occur and both you and the jungler die. If the jungler has yet to die, that's a significant chunk of gold that he is worth compared to someone who has died two or three times. Not to mention with two laners in a solo lane, or three people bot unopposed, that all but guarantees that the turret is going to fall along with an objective (Rift, dragon).

Thirdly, the enemy laner needs to be pushed in. If you need a gank, stop pushing the wave. Did you push the wave anyway? Miss some CS. Ganking a fed champion is hard. Tower diving a fed champion is nearly impossible. Middle of the wave likely won't work either, especially if they have any kind of mobility or their flash is up.

Gank's require set-up. This isn't arguable. Sometimes they set-up themselves for the most part, but relying purely on the enemy being in an opportunistic spot and not paying adequate attention is a poor strategy. A strategy that relies solely on your opponent sucking is not a recipe for success. Finding the right angle, getting vision, planning a route, having the cooldowns up; these things take time.

If the enemy laner has a full damage item to your junglers bami cinder, your jungler will not be tanky. They will be bursted. If your laner has a Black Cleaver to your Jungler's fiendish codex and mana crystal, your laner isn't going to be bursted.

It is YOUR job to ward. It is YOUR job to play it safe when you fall behind. It is YOUR job to cut your losses and look for opportunities to help your team and stop the bleeding. Your jungler is not a god. He is not your savior. He is not your babysitter. He does not have to gank you at all. It is not anyone's fault but your own if you feed.

Thank you.

37 Comments

NeptuneXI4/5/2019, 10:47:11 PM6 votes

I agree, so many people doesn't know simple basics, and then blames jungler for everything.

Worst nightmare as jungler, when your team doesn't ward, and greedy to buy control ward, it only cost 75, but enemy team wards every bush and playing very careful, which makes them almost immune to ganks but your team dying like minions.

Also other moment (When your team force you to baron or drake!) Sometimes you just don't have a smite, or you see your team is in a bad shape to take a fight if it requires, you just ping them to go back, but they don't listen! result? 3 -4 dead teammates and eventually lost towers and inhibitors. Listen to your jungler!

But on the other side, sometimes when you play on lane, some junglers never comes to gank, even if your lane is perfect for a gank, they focus on a wining lane only, which is a huge mistake i believe, think of it!

If for example you have Zed 6/3 why bother to gank him more? it would be wiser to gank other lanes to make sure that the rest of the team capable of fighting in a group fight, and resisting in tough fights. Because eventually all leads to a team fight in the end, and that's time where you need whole team, one person can't carry whole game.

Nicolasbo1434/6/2019, 8:20:39 AM5 votes

It's a double edged sword. Laners shouldnt blame their jungler for dying excessively or not warding. Junglers shouldn't blame laners for not exerting enough map pressure, when they have to make proactive plays.

Not Ganking Bot4/6/2019, 2:10:58 PM3 votes

Just don't jungle, its not even worth trying anymore, the severe item and xp nerfs have left jungle in a joke state, your either a tank or a hecarim that just abuses the fact that the champion is broken with 1 item that isn't even a jungle item because hecarim just rushes tri force. There isn't any point in jungling and complaining about losing because your team fed. It's just how the role is, you literally, truly are, flipping a coin when playing jungle, heads your team feeds, tails the other team feeds. There is no control from jungle anymore.

If you want to win, use your own skill, play top lane, beat the enemy top laner and the enemy jungler 1v2, and solo carry to your own wins.

Silent Gravity4/5/2019, 3:51:27 AM3 votes

Good post, but this probably belongs in Gameplay, as it doesn't relate to the punishment system or an individual's suspension.

XJ999999999999994/7/2019, 7:05:44 AM2 votes

had a 0-3 top lane that just bitched the entire game about me despite me getting 5 dragons that game and helped mid/bottom. couldnt get top because hes always dead or low hp/mana. He typed "tops gone" even though it had 100 hp left and guess what? we won that game and it never died.

negative attitude. hate that junglers get so much blame. there are a lot of factors/decisions a good jungler has to consider and ganking your lane can sometimes not be an option due to so many things (especially if ur bad).

LordBadToo5/10/2019, 1:01:44 PM2 votes

My personal experience with Junglers is that they fail at all jobs, whatever they decide or think that is, far more often than they succeed.

In general the assumption most Junglers make is that its there job to farm and gank, which typically either works and the game is won, or fails and the game goes wrong.

I think the two biggest problems or I should say common failures is 1. They are no objective oriented and 2. They take the route of least resistance.

In essence my experience with junglers is that they want kills and they find the simplest and most direct way for that to happen and when they fail to get the kills they blame the team.

I would say 30-40% of games I'm in that are lost, are lost because the Jungler totally failed and I would say 50-70% of all games I'm in where their is a toxic chat, its a Jungler going ape shit.

Of all the positions in the game, the player that is most commonly a problem on the team is the jungler.

Now mind you when you get a good jungler, its game defining, their ability to impact the game in a positive way is huge, but this happens very inconsistently and is far too rare of a thing.

I approach every game as a top laner with the assumption the jungler will be useless in the match and I'm rarely disappointed and only occasionally pleasantly surprised.

letsfeedtogether4/6/2019, 9:14:19 AM2 votes

I nerver even get ganked cuz i am playing in the top island xd so iits for sure not my jungler.

SirHydro4/6/2019, 2:31:32 PM2 votes

I keep forgetting Junglers never do anything wrong, nothing is ever their fault, and they are always 100% victimized by everyone. Poor innocent perfect lil junglers, it must be so terrible to live in such a cruel world where being so perfect as you are can't stop the evil vicious laners from trying to hurt your feelings.

Junglers are the most self-entitled dellusional pear clutching cry babies I've ever seen.

22 Caliber Rifle4/7/2019, 5:06:07 AM2 votes

As a Jungle one trick, I have many fantastic stories in regards to...... basically everything and I agree with this post 100%. Low elo players just dont understand how important it is to help the jungler and not flame them. In most cases I would consider jungle to be the hardest role in the whole of league of legends, I've had people say on multiple accounts that my clears aren't important and I'm trash and should gank 24/7 but jungle is more then that. Especially in a jungle heavy meta where ganking is a priority and if your team doesn't help you.... 100% guarantee lose. In low elo players or kids as I say dont understand the importance of the jungler and what they can provide for the team. Myself am currently low Gold 4 and cannot climb on my main, my alt account used to be mid plat last year although I find it impossible to climb due to teams.

I will say this now and probably wont say again. Jungle isn't just blindly running around camps and slapping camps in the face its far more complicated. Junglers need to understand the aspect of vision, ganking, jungle control, priorities, objective control, specific camp clears, how to deal with match ups and so much more beyond that. In my opinion I would consider myself a master of vision control and camp clears although in 99% of my games the enemy jungler will come into my jg and my team will just not do anything.

An e.g. of this is where i'm playing Kha'zix against an Udyr. Horrific match up which is based around the kha having to outsmart the brain dead udyr. If udyr runs into my jungle and i have vision there, the expectation for me is to either take his camps and trade that way or collapse on him with your team. It shouldn't be giving him free jg because we can't be bothered that's your problem not ours. **If your jungler can not get a good start in the jg, its all over with one snap, this isn't a joke. **

Here's a good YouTuber - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwE00vEJFzpO6j1rDJMLDfg, this man has excellent videos on teaching you how to climb in any elo in regards to jungling and he says in most of his videos that the laners need to help the jungler when needed.

What you need to do as a laner..... EXTREMELY IMPORTANT

  • Ward pixel brush at the start of the game (top or bot depends where jungle starts) at 1:05 or 1:15
  • Use your map... PLEASE USE YOUR MAP. Map awareness is key in gains and will you and the jungler
  • In relation to last dot point, ping missing laners or ping objectives
  • Roam with the laner, more directed to bot and mid. if you see bot leave lane and there is no vision on drake, roam up and ward, put pressure, ask for jungle or mid assistance.
  • In relation to last point, help out your team mates, check objectives, play safely, do what ever you can to make your junglers life easier
  • Deep wards, when ever you get the chance, ward dragon, pixel brushes, enemy jg territory, anything will help give the jungler valuable information to make plays.
  • Make plays, walk into the enemy jg in you have pressure and force the enemy out. In most games if your jungler get fed and you apply jg based pressure, the game is gg you win.
  • I forgot what I was gonna say.....

There is so much more you can say but while writing this post I was distracted by a support ticket to get someone banned... which it was successful :|

Overall, laners if you dont help your jungler dont expect them to help you, they need your help it is key to have a jungler who can actually apply pressure and farm. If you dont agree to this screw you, just... dont play the game ever again.

Jonesybones5/8/2019, 1:56:35 PM1 votes

Unpopular opinion, junglers shouldn't exist