Honor People Based on Behavior, not KDA

HeraldoftheBaron··9 votes·760 views

First off, let me start by saying that I am a bad player. I am hardstuck Bronze V and I am showing no indications of getting out anytime soon. I got into a game with a Vi who was Honor Level 5 and a Jax who was Honor Level 3. About 5-6 minutes into the game, I made a bad play and gave up First Blood to the enemy Vel'Koz. I acknowledge that the aforementioned play was entirely my fault, but after a few minutes, Vi and Jax started to simultaneously flame me for "being bad" despite only having 1 death at the time. I was flamed for not contributing to teamfights, but I have a good reason for not doing so. After the initial first blood, Vi decided to gank my lane and ended up giving Vel'Koz another kill. At this point, I decided that it would be best to stay away from teamfights, as the enemy team were already snowballing really hard and I did not want to give anyone on the enemy team any more kills. I decided to push down towers as best I could. Unfortunately, the enemy team kept collapsing on me and I died a few times while trying to splitpush. Now at this point, the insults from Vi and Jax were so much I had to mute them both. Jax and Vi also flamed our bottom lane for dying to a ridiculously fed 14-kill Vel'Koz(There was nothing the botlane could have done to prevent their deaths). I ended the game 1/9/4(not my best performance) and Jax and Vi agreed to report me for "intentional feeding"(despite my best efforts to avoid dying and still contribute to the team).

Anyway, the point of this post is, Vi and Jax were both really good players, I shall make no attempt to deny that. However, the fact that they were both incredibly toxic in that game leads me to believe that they were honored solely based on their KDAs. It is truly astounding how people this toxic can reach Honor Levels 5 and 3, as I believe that if people were honoring based on behavior, they never would have gotten very far in the Honor System.

The Honor System is supposed to reward those who display exemplary behavior, not toxic players who happen to be good at the game.

I am keeping an open mind, and maybe Jax and Vi just had a very bad day. If that is the case, then I send them my sincerest condolences. However, if it happens that they are always like this when they lose, then they most certainly do not deserve to be at the Honor Level they are at.

Moral of the Story: Honor based on behavior, not KDA

10 Comments

KVbqbFsC8e4 votes

Despite what this forum so desperately wants to believe, the fact is people would rather play with people who will carry them than with people who are "honorable". Nothing will ever change that.

Poison Bolts4 votes

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Despite what this forum so desperately wants to believe, the fact is people would rather play with people who will carry them than with people who are "honorable". Nothing will ever change that.

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FrockSaints3 votes

Sure. Doesn't mean they can't honor properly, though. Either way, not going to happen. Some people will honor properly and some won't. Just how it is.

The system should instead adapt to guess, based on your performance, how honorable you really were. Granted there might be some edge case problems, but better than what we have now.

Also, some people would rather play with nice unskilled people. In my case, in depends on game type, mood, etc. If it's not ranked, I'd rather play with the nice people in most situations.

Modi4 votes

As the recipient of many honors without hard carrying, I can attest that it is not ONLY KDA that drives honoring. In quite a few games, I have done the worst KDA wise, but still receive an honor, just by the fact that I try to be entertaining. Tell a joke, something memorable, but not offensive (puns are usually a safe bet).

As with the punishment system/report, it is community driven.

AJStarhiker2 votes

You might be surprised. Yeah, there are probably more than a few players who honor the hard carry regardless of behavior. But, there are others who will pick the support, or someone who refused to get baited into an argument. And, if that "Honor 5" player spends the game flaming you, go ahead and report him. Honor level does not shield someone if they are abusive towards others... and their honor level will drop if the system finds their behavior punishworthy.

Personally, I think it's a reasonable system: It assumes honorable behavior until proven otherwise. And I've been in games where a person has been both Honored (by other players) due to hard carry and reported (by me) for being a jerk.

Fork xD2 votes

You actually think that honor should be solely based on behavior because you play poorly? That is absolutely ridiculous. The honor's descriptions literally advertise that they are for both behavior as well as skill. It then comes down to what the team valued more throughout the game. In my opinion, I would take a skillful flaming gamer over a sensitive player lacking skill any day.

Moral of the story: Honor based on what actually won you the game or got you close, not on filtering your text =) [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

HeraldoftheBaron2 votes

Nowhere in my post did I say "people should not be honored for skill", but given the behavior the individuals in question displayed, I did not think they deserved to be at the Honor Level they were at. I am fine with a little criticism here and there, but when you are typing essays in chat every 5 minutes, that takes things a bit too far. Also addressing your point about lacking skill, I explicitly stated that I was Bronze V, of course I am bad.

Skill is important, but it's only half the equation.

Fork xD1 votes

Moral of the Story: Honor based on behavior, not KDA

Yes you did... Also, their language should not effect you at all seeing as there is a mute button that riot fails to utilize to its full potential. Not to mention there is also a chat filter if your ego can't take any sort of criticism at all. Lastly, just because you prefer small statements (most likely you prefer nothing but compliments even though that is coddling which by definition is bad) doesn't mean that others do not like explaining themselves in a more extended manner. AKA, I really don't care what you "mind" and neither do the players you play with. What you "mind" is a matter of opinion (not to mention a narcissistic way of wording things) and therefore is invalid in any sort of manner when it comes to the idea of argument.

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