This game isn't enjoyable anymore. And it's the community's fault.

T3 DefDopey·May 19, 2019·57 votes·17,659 views

This game used to be great. When I first started in season 1, players were helpful and supportive to new players, and it ushered in a nice era of good vibes, good community, and cohesiveness. Sure, people got competitive and maybe said some mean things once in a while, but it wasn't by any means a toxic place to play a game.

Now, the game has completely evolved into a gathering of some of the most awful, rude, disrespectful, racist, homophobic people on the internet. My most recent encounter was one "[removed by moderation]", a silver player who claims to have a "diamond account". Let me tell you a little about this person and my interaction with him, as I'm sure everyone reading this will have at least something to relate to.

We start the lane very well, getting our subject "[removed by moderation]" (Vayne, our ADC), a first blood kill on a successful invade, and it all snowballs up from there, getting him up to 7/1/1. Then, this person decides to start running into them 2v1, 3v1, and even a 5v1, intentionally killing himself to try to make a big play because "it's fun, im not trying to win" (his words). Died every time, and proceeds to claim "this is a smurf, and this account is going to get banned in a few days anyway", and proceeds to completely throw the game. Vayne also cheered on the enemy team while flaming and trolling his own. Of course, I reported for intentionally throwing the game.

But that's where this thread really starts. Does a simple "Report for intentionally throwing" solve the problem? How do I know if action is even taken on this person? Can't this person just make another account to do the same behavior? I feel like action should be taken on this person's main "diamond account" (if it even exists), to dissuade this kind of behavior. I personally suggest banning of ranked play for the rest of the season. If people don't respect the game, I feel they shouldn't be entitled to play it.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is Riot needs to start holding these people accountable. I'm not trying to sound like another bellyacher trying to tell Riot what to do to make this game better for my own agenda, but I'm trying to approach this with reason and maybe give the moderators some perspective to chew on, when it comes to planning out how to take action for this general type of player, not necessarily this specific one.

People that exhibit this kind of behavior completely devalues your product, Riot. This community has absolutely, without a doubt, have to top the list of the most toxic people. They create these "smurf" accounts to ruin your game, to piss off the people trying to enjoy your game, to make money selling an account, or to abuse your lower ranked players (that make up the vast majority of your player base). Poor sportsmanship, trolling/flaming, etc. all break the summoners code, but my question to you is how tight are you even trying to enforce your code anymore? I feel like every game I ever get into is just a stress test that is building up inside me until one day I have a massive heart attack or stroke.

This game isn't enjoyable anymore. It's been devalued by this community to the point where action needs to be taken. Riot, please, you can't allow this kind of behavior to progress. Have some class. Have some dignity. Have respect for your players that want to enjoy this game. Or have you created something so big that you can't even handle it anymore? Have you made a game that's grown so much that you don't have control anymore?

Or do you simply not care? Was this whole thing just a waste of time?

128 Comments

CrazyMonkeyCZMay 19, 201924 votes

Am I only one who remember toxicity in S1? 3 months into S1 I remember majority of my Dota/Warcraft friends switched or tried LoL, and I suppose that we weren’t only migrating group of players, these games were super toxic from what I remember.

Big part of our toxic behavior was probably surpresed by the fact, that we were focusing more on learning, we knew nothing, no guides no probuilds, shitty vods from tournaments and few youtube videos were only sources, when you are learning you don’t have that much time to see others mistakes and flame them, get tilted etc.

Big majority of players nowadays are 3+ years experienced players, which means they did or they think they did learn everything and now they are blaming others for their mistakes, relieving their frustration bcs they can’t climb/improve.

I also think Riot is doing good job, you really have to think before you’ll just spit shits around. You probably eresed big portion of bad memories, which is natural.

All in all, if the game itself is enjoyable for you, you shouldn’t really have problems or at least I don’t that much.

HotarµMay 19, 201916 votes

Am I only one who remember toxicity in S1? 3 months into S1 I remember majority of my Dota/Warcraft friends switched or tried LoL, and I suppose that we weren’t only migrating group of players, these games were super toxic from what I remember.

Yes, this.

I didn't play back in the super early seasons but one of my friends did and while we were in class he'd tell me about people wishing death on him, using racial slurs, etc. People always view the early versions of League through rose-tinted glasses.

Toxicity is just more noticeable now because the playerbase has increased by a large amount, the early seasons of the game were still plagued by toxic players just like today. I agree that people's motivations were probably different, but still, toxicity is toxicity.

ModPeriscopeMay 19, 201915 votes

I've removed the name from your post, as naming and shaming is not allowed on the forums.

If you have any questions about this moderation action, don't hesitate to reach out to the Boards Moderation Team via:

The NA Boards Discord
The Discuss the Boards sub-board

You can submit a Support ticket or message them on Twitter to talk with a Rioter regarding that player if you did not report them in the post game.

MrGoldDucky666May 19, 20196 votes

I honestly don't completely agree with this decision, yes we t might cause great and push someone to depression, but public shaming is key to fixing things in my opinion. If we don't do it we will still have toxic players running around because they only get banned by the system and then just create a new account. But I'm curious what Riot and the community think about this idea.

rujitraMay 19, 201913 votes

Public shaming does not stop people from being toxic, and in fact it increases toxicity. The idea that you should "shame" someone or harass them is a toxic attitude, hence why the rules are in place.

If someone wants to troll/flame they will do so regardless of if they're getting shamed or not. As such, the only result is it causes a toxic environment on the boards that drowns out actual discussion in favor of "shame shame shame" threads.

BladegloryMay 19, 20199 votes

Furthermore, that's only the logic behind truthful "Name and Shame"s. People can exaggerate, or outright lie, about things that happened and people don't always verify before acting upon hearsay.

The Name and Shame rule is important in most places because it helps prevent the spread of ugly rumors and targeted harassment.

3TWarriorMay 20, 20191 votes

can it be shown to have any positives? staying silent does not remove the toxic element, nor does it alleviate frustration

rujitraMay 20, 20192 votes

Sure. It makes the one player who's "venting" feel a little better. It does nothing for toxicity, it does nothing for future games, and there is no other positive.

The negatives greatly outweigh that one positive of making one player feel a bit better.

3TWarriorMay 20, 20191 votes

you can ignore the chat, you can't ignore someone destroying your chances of winning a match. Discouraging outbursts without interaction only causes frustration to build

being part of a community means interacting with everyone, including those who are not content

EleshakaiMay 20, 20192 votes

If only we had some way to vent without the other person knowing.... oh wait, we can curse at the monitor.

SHROOMTALITYMay 20, 20191 votes

This is 100% wrong .. you should work in riot support, they think and act according to the same beliefs as you. They don't ban or punish people who are toxic even when you show them screenshots. In one game someone ask me where i live, i didn't respond so then he said "I hope u get aids r%%%%% 12 years old so funny" "i cut off your head your family" i can't even say who it was because I WILL GET PUNISHED ..

ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE ?! (not you specifically i'm not trying to insult u just trying to make a point)

rujitraMay 20, 20194 votes

No. Nobody's insane.

Publishing their name here would not get them punished. The community has no way to confirm your story/screenshots. If you post "rujitra told me that I was a " and you posted an edited screenshot of a game, replacing someone's name with mine, who would know the difference? You would be able to lie about people and harass them, as well as make accusations against them with fake proof.

There is no way to monitor and verify posts that are "calling people out", and it has no benefit. Calling someone out won't get them punished. You do not need to discuss specific players to discuss behaviors (the possible only exception is discussing an inappropriate summoner name).

SHROOMTALITYMay 20, 20191 votes

"No. Nobody's insane."

Then why punish me for telling people someone used racist or homophobic language or hate speech in a game while no one does anything about the person who's guilty ?! makes no sense

and

The fact that u call it shaming makes it even worst, SHOULDN'T HE BE ASHAMED OF HIS behaviour ?! According to you he should be proud and keep behaving like that ..

"Publishing their name here would not get them punished"

It would, with support from you and the community we could all open tickets to solve this problem (10 tickets would be enough, if not i think if we could make more) who knows maybe the people who work in support would find the time to .. do something (they're soo busy doing nothing all day long, it's soo sad,i feel bad for them)

"The community has no way to confirm your story/screenshots."

Only because you won't allow me to post them .. can i post them ? i would love to

"You would be able to lie about people and harass them, as well as make accusations against them with fake proof."

so i'm a liar now ?! slow down please don't hurt my feelings i'm a human being ..

And i could also fake another moon landing and an alien invasion the second coming of you know who (i won't say HIS name i know some of you moderators are very delicate when it comes to religion) but you know what ?! there are CHAT LOGS those i can't fake. Can i ?! or maybe i can?! do i have magic powers now ?! do i ?!

GASP...

Wingardium Leviosa!! Wingardium Wingardium Leviosaaaaaa ...

NOP NO MAGIC POWERS .. dang it

"(the possible only exception is discussing an inappropriate summoner name)."

So it's ok to "shame" them if they have picked an inappropriate summoner name ?! nice see rules only apply sometimes .. GJ

rujitraMay 20, 20194 votes

Riot isn't going to ban someone just because lots of people submit tickets. They're either going to get punished, in which case one report will suffice, or they won't.
You could post fake screenshots. What's to stop you from doing that. How would anyone confirm they're legitimate?
You can fake chat logs. You can fake a screenshot of chat logs. It's easy.
I'm not actually sure, because I've not seen anyone post about an inappropriate name, so I haven't seen if it's still considered against the rules.

SHROOMTALITYMay 20, 20193 votes

"You can fake chat logs. You can fake a screenshot of chat logs. It's easy."

Ermm no .. i'm talking about the chat logs riot has, i guess if i was a hacker maybe i could WAAAIT !!! if i was a skilled hacker why would i waste my time and talent on riot games.

This is ridiculous .. i'm not trying to insult u but do u think things through before you post ?!

If i was that skilled as a hacker and i rly wanted toxic people banned why would i waste my time talking to you here !? i'd just find a way to ban every toxic/troll i can find in this game lol.

Ok ..

I think people should be able to post screenshots of toxic players, faking them is not as easy as u seem to think, sure some people will try it and some of the screenshots will look convincing BUT the people who work in support would be able to find out very fast if someone has presented them with fake screenshots by checking the chat logs, then they could punish the person ..

(i say u fake the crime u do the time this would deter people from faking screenshots)

Reports don't always work if they did we wouldn't have this many toxic players in this community, there also wouldn't a ban request option in the support page.. the problem is sometimes support won't do it's job, they answer they are polite but they won't read chat logs they wont watch games, they don't do much .. but if more people ask for the same thing, who knows what can happen ..

1.Using racist or homophobic language or hate speech is just wrong plain and simple do you disagree ?! 2.Should users be punished if they point out the people who use racist or homophobic language or hate speech ?! (u seem to assume that everyone will just lie about being harassed ingame but you don't know THAT, you're whole explanation/logic is based on this "IF people lie" idea and it's just WRONG)

sorry if i offended you and gl

rujitraMay 20, 20193 votes

But we aren't Riot. We are players. We do not have access to those chat logs. Riot does. As such, you can report directly to Riot either in a support ticket, in game, or via Twitter/Email.

Any "evidence" you post cannot be verified.

Furthermore, it serves no purpose. Reports do work if a player's behavior is punishable.

SHROOMTALITYMay 20, 20192 votes

ok .. you didn't read anything i said.

i'll make is simple

THE FACTS: -lol has the MOST TOXIC COMMUNITY - FACT WHY ?! BECAUSE: -The report system IS BROKEN - FACT (we wouldn't have this toxic community if it wasn't broken) -Support isn't doing enough to help us get rid of toxic people - FACT (we wouldn't have this toxic community) -Riot doesn't rly care if people use hate speech homophobic sexist .. language in their game if they did they'd censure words like RT.. (u know the word, periscope don't remove this comment plz i'm not saying people should use this language ingame they sometimes do get punished i hope you're not going to overreact again and remove my comment) i won't even go any deeper into proving this as you probably know by now how riot employees themselves behave .. simply put DISGUSTING the word toxic is not enough .. you think i'm exaggerating ?! or insulting rito games employees ? how would you describe this !? is this not disgusting ?!

"Scott Gelb .. has repeatedly touched subordinates’ balls or butt or farted in their faces"

https://kotaku.com/top-riot-executive-suspended-without-pay-following-inve-1831084598

I could point out to more articles but what's the point you probably won't read this anyway.

We the players post=>we make more tickets about the same person on behalf of someone=>support is forced to actually do some work for once=>they have chat logs, if the person who made the forum post lied then he gets punished (this would stop people from making false allegations) AND WE DO THIS UNTIL A BETTER SYSTEM IS PUT IN PLACE BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE NOW ISN'T WORKING.

Do you like the fact that this community is toxic ?! if not then do something about it don't just tell me "u can't talk about that!" or "we can't do anything" yes we/you could do something BUT U CHOSE NOT TO GJ.

GlaricionMay 20, 20192 votes

** -lol has the MOST TOXIC COMMUNITY - FACT**

Battlerite and Heroes of the Storm (if they haven't drastically improved) are both much worse.

-Riot doesn't rly care if people use hate speech homophobic sexist .. language in their game if they did they'd censure words like RT.. (u know the word) i won't even go any deeper into proving this as you probably know by now how riot employees themselves behave .. simply put DISGUSTING the word toxic is not enough .. you think i'm exaggerating ?! or insulting rito games employees ? how would you describe this !? is this not disgusting ?! "Scott Gelb .. has repeatedly touched subordinates’ balls or butt or farted in their faces"

Many Rioters used homophobic and sexist slurs in the 'net cafe' areas on their campuses/facilities, true. A lot of employees were also VERY put-off by that behaviour (iirc)

That being said, that doesn't necessarily imply that even those that used that sort of language believe that that sort of behaviour is acceptable in-game (some people find it fine to use slurs with their friends in jest), nor that employees approve of Scott Gelb's behaviour.

Scott Gelb's behaviour is one of the factors that lead to litigation against Riot AND the employee protests that have been heating up.

ChaosReynMay 21, 20191 votes

Honestly, HotS is a lot more chill. The only time I really see people getting heated in HotS is if you either ban a hover or play someone like Nova (in high elo, cause Nova's not really strong once you're getting up there) or Abathur (in low elo, cause nobody understands exactly wtf you are and why youre not in teamfights) The actual gameplay itself is a lot less ragey than hero select, and honestly, 90% of the issue is resolved by just wasting a ban on Nova or Aba, and hardly anyone questions it - they all know you did it because SOMEONE is going to consider it.

ChaosReynMay 20, 20191 votes

Technically speaking, I could make the argument your name promotes hallucinogenic drugs and get it changed by Riot. I'm sure that'd be the icing on the cake in showing you they actually do their jobs. [sg-syndra]

SHROOMTALITYMay 21, 20191 votes

So they do their jobs rly well and the lol community isn't toxic at all ?! is that it ? i assume you've been playing this game for a looong time and this is your take on the subject .. right ?! everything's perfect nothing "rotten in denmark" ?! ok ..

"I could make the argument your name promotes hallucinogenic drugs and get it changed by Riot"

Why tease me ?! just do it ! please do it ! prove me wrong i'd love to see this happen tho it would be a bit ridiculous i mean .. if you rly wanna split hairs, "shroom" = teemo mushrooms and "tality"=fatality mortal kombat, if shroomtality means dying because of shrooms (exploding shrooms in this case) then i guess it's actually, the opposite of promoting hallucinogenic drugs, it's saying "shrooms kill" it's a warning !

let's look at your name .. CHAOS well ..

did you know "chaos is anarchic" are u an anarchist ?! are you suggesting that people start a RIOT and unleash CHAOS ?! ohh noo that's bad M'Kay ?!

i'm just joking .. but plz do open a ticket i rly wanna see what happens

ChaosReynMay 21, 20191 votes

Oh no, the Riot community is the DotA equivalent of CoD both in game and apparently in legal actions towards their company.

But to say they're doing nothing to combat it is equally false. They're battling toxicity through chat more than actions though, and that's my only real complaint. Even with that complaint, I have to begrudge the fact that it's harder to detect someone who's soft inting and staying out of chat than it is to detect...hang on... (Disclaimer, none of the following string of absolute filth is my opinion, this is an example...mods, please have mercy...) "Shouldn't pick Morde, f##king downie noob, uninstall and go back to Brazil." or "kys kid, I don't need to care about 0/4 autistic trash." (those being the TAME examples of some of these people)

Ironically enough, I think gameplay changes that encourage a more fluid and open meta would theoretically solve the majority (not all) of the issues of player elitism, since most of it's spawning from a stagnant metagame. More than half the arguments I've seen start in champ select when some guy bans an ally's hover and says something like "that's a troll champ" or cases where someone immediately flaming the ally for their pick when they lock it in, either of which then spirals the whole game into a constant tug-of-war between "people are allowed to pick what they want" and "but op.gg says [shit] about the champ" or "But every time I see this champ they're shit" instead of actually playing the game. Another like 1/5 come from build orders or playstyles, and the last like 30-ish% are performance based. These people are so hamstrung to their meta-physics (huehuehue) that literally any deviation instantly sets off half the community. So I would hold fast that they need to focus on enjoyment over community witch hunts in order to put the meta-slaves into a more open state of mind

The other 30-ish% are the people that make up the bottom rung of each rank like "HA! I MADE IT! BOW BEFORE ME, PEASANTS, I'M FREAKING PLAT NOW! (plat is the example...they do it in every rank, and the people with 0LP in each division do it at any rung they're on to a lesser scale) and honestly those people are so overwhelmingly vocal about their "special high status" in chat that they almost always get rekt within their next few games...it's just...there's a freaking lot of them. These people are the ones you're gonna see in literally any community though, so these ones are the real cancer...there should definitely be a case against them, but we need to save the majority (the meta-jockeys) before containing the minority in this case.

Honestly, I was joking about the name thing and said that more as satire, but if you insist, I'll do yours if you do mine, and lets just see what happens from it. I'll get a free name change out of it (I honestly want to change names anyway) if they come at me, and I get to confirm that Riot will take yours to mean "magic mushrooms" instead of "Teemo owns you" If they tag us both, win-win. :P

SHROOMTALITYMay 20, 20191 votes

Periscope best troll on this forum GJ dude.

"If you have any questions about this moderation action, don't hesitate to reach out to the Boards Moderation"

AS IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO ANSWER AND TALK TO ANYONE LOL

ModPeriscopeMay 20, 20192 votes

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AS IF YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO ANSWER AND TALK TO ANYONE LOL

So do you ~~actually~~ have a question or complaint?

I'd also advise against submitting screenshots via support; they have all of the info that occurs in the client.

Edited.

SHROOMTALITYMay 20, 20191 votes

"So do you ACTUALLY have a question or complaint?"

ok first of all drop the attitude if you're "ACTUALLY" capable of being polite otherwise .. ohh wait you're a moderator, the rules don't apply to u sry my bad keep trolling and being rude or whatever again i'm sry ..

"I'd also advise against submitting screenshots via support; they have all of the info that occurs in the client."

Well obviously .. the problem is they don't do much with that data. My questions have been answered by someone else don't worry i was rly expecting you to clarify anything or answer any questions.

ModPeriscopeMay 20, 20193 votes

You seemed upset regarding the removals. You didn't state any complaint, concern, or question, but resorted to name calling.

Again, if you have questions or concerns, follow the link that is in my original comment.

SHROOMTALITYMay 20, 20191 votes

"resorted to name calling."

"You seemed upset"

How about it's none of your business how i feel how about that ?! how about stop making passive aggressive comments ?!

I called/described your behaviour as i saw it, if you disagree feel free to remove more of my comments after all that's what you do right ?! that's all u do ..

It's not my job to teach u how to be polite but as general rule

If you don't have something nice to say don't say anything at all.

bluegolisanoMay 21, 20191 votes

passive aggressive comments

ok first of all drop the attitude if you're "ACTUALLY" capable of being polite otherwise .. ohh wait you're a moderator, the rules don't apply to u sry my bad keep trolling and being rude or whatever again i'm sry ..

Passive aggressive comments.

Well obviously .. the problem is they don't do much with that data. My questions have been answered by someone else don't worry i was rly expecting you to clarify anything or answer any questions.

Passive. Aggressive. Comments.

I called/described your behaviour as i saw it, if you disagree feel free to remove more of my comments after all that's what you do right ?! that's all u do ..

Passive. Aggressive. Comments.

How about it's none of your business how i feel how about that ?! how about stop making passive aggressive comments ?!

So, when was the last time you looked in the mirror?

SHROOMTALITYMay 21, 20192 votes

he asked me if i "actually" have a question ?!

And what if i didn't ?! what then ?! what's his point ?! there's no point he's just being a douche (my opinion sue me)

He's a moderator and FORUM he's not supposed to make snarky offensive comments THAT'S NOT HIS JOB but he's PERISCOPE so he can do whatever he wants right ?! no rules apply to him, why is he trolling ?! why is he talking about how i feel ?! "You seemed upset" .. what's that about i don't remember asking him anything especially not about how i feel.

GOD forbid anyone dares to criticize any of the moderators especially PERISCOPE right ?! they can do no wrong, sure .. whatever idc anymore u like being trolled and insulted by moderators on this forum ?! good for you i don't i still have a little self respect left gl

Baka RedMay 21, 20192 votes

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GOD forbid anyone dares to criticize any of the moderators especially PERISCOPE right ?! they can do no wrong, sure .. whatever idc anymore u like being trolled and insulted by moderators on this forum ?! good for you i don't i still have a little self respect left gl

Well, just happens that I have publicly critized a moderator, and I am still here. On the other hand that moderator is moderator no more. I haven't seen many moderators whom I consider 'bad' (the one I criticized is the only one I remember) and thus I think Riot and the moderators are doing pretty good job at moderating themselves. In fact practically every one of them seems to be doing a good job, and Periscope is one of those whom I respect. He is polite, humble and his facts are practically always true. He is still human though, so I can easily forgive a single minor slip like this 'actually' you seemed to be fuming about - I would not even have considered that offensive myself, but after you pointed it out, I can see some people might get it that way.

I am not a moderator, and I believe you have got the answer to the Naming and Shaming question already, but I still check: Is there a question we the people reading these boards can help you with? If not, I recommend you go and do something relaxing for a while. Being furious for long time isn't good for your blood pressure - and it isn't that fun either I presume.

bluegolisanoMay 21, 20191 votes

Can confirm, rage makes your blood pressure go through the roof.

Also, I would call their Username out for being drug-based, but Teemo exists. So I could give them crap for it, but that would be literally pointless given how we have everyone's favorite little shitnozzle to kill repeatedly running around, planting mushroom landmines.

IMO he should get a WW1 based skin where his mushrooms are animated like bouncing betties but w/e

CevradMay 19, 201910 votes

Play on EUW, they actually care about winning the game, NA is a hopeless sesspool of for fun players that will never change because Riot's agenda is to let people play how they want to play even if it is clearly throwing the game.

KingVKB12May 19, 20192 votes

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Play on EUW, they actually care about winning the game, NA is a hopeless sesspool of for fun players that will never change because Riot's agenda is to let people play how they want to play even if it is clearly throwing the game.

games are supposed to be fun. Not everyone wants to win the Olympics, some (most) just wants to have a nice time. Egames are games too

Haze97May 19, 20194 votes

Then go play normals, silly.

It is this mentality which ruins ranked for everyone else.

rujitraMay 19, 20196 votes

Except the majority of ranked players understand that ranked is just a fun game mode that happens to have a ladder.

Your mentality ruins ranked for yourself. Yet you refuse to change your mentality to help yourself have fun.

Haze97May 19, 20194 votes

Speak for yourself. For most people who want to climb it is a place where they spend their time and effort grinding for wins.

Unless your have no respect for their personal space, time, and efforts, it's only your foolish mentality at play here which keeps you from playing normals when there's an entire fucking game mode dedicated to you casual players.

rujitraMay 19, 20196 votes

Except... it's not. You want that to be the case. But it's not. You cannot change the facts by lying about the truth.

The entirety of League outside the professional sphere is "casual".

Haze97May 19, 20196 votes

Honestly, who the heck even made you a specialist?

A specialist sits here telling me that casual and ranked are the same thing. No wonder Dota players call LoL a "moba tutorial" and nobody else is to blame.

Brandono99May 20, 20193 votes

Makes you think that they need to vet their "specialists" more appropriately, doesn't it?

Apparently any old idiot on a soapbox can be a "specialist" if they shout loud enough. Perhaps I should make a 100 posts a week and apply...maybe they'll let me in lmao.

Perhaps I could become a specialist on sniffing out kumbaya/casual players who can't tell the difference between casual play and ranked.

My nose is on fire right now,as a matter of fact. There's one in this thread.

Haze97May 21, 20192 votes

Don't even bother coz the downvote troop of monkeys is strong with this one. I wouldn't mind if the boards were deleted at this point as it does nothing but serve as a breeding ground for idiots.

dboy225May 19, 20193 votes

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Speak for yourself. For most people who want to climb it is a place where they spend their time and effort grinding for wins.

Unless your have no respect for their personal space, time, and efforts, it's only your foolish mentality at play here which keeps you from playing normals when there's an entire fucking game mode dedicated to you casual players.

if people playing ranked are so more serious and determined to win. then why on earth would they instantly start flaming people, bashing them, and tilting them right before the match starts... all because they say they are new to ranked and trying to create a connection with their teammates to better help with the chances of winning said ranked match? yeah exactly what happened to me. if they were more serious about winning the match then they would refrain from acting like complete jack asses and help try to build moral within one another. so from my experience blind matches have always been far more cooperative and usually, but not always, more relaxed and better about working together and keeping a fun friendly and peaceful atmosphere. its kind of hard to focus and be in zen mode when you start getting harassed and flamed just for saying you are new to it within the first 2 minutes of the match. and then they blame you for losing..... mmm yeah it had nothing to do with the fact you all sacrificed some of your time, attention, and focus to flame and harass someone to the point of tilt which also lowered the overall chances of the match being won to begin with.

blow that smoke of yours out of your own ass, don't try to blow it up someone else's. your mentality of its ok to harass, bully, and flame someone and then blame them for losing the match is the only thing flawed here.... oh and then have everyone 10x report them because they stuck up to their dumb bully like bs.

it really should be as simple as losing your coward like ego, putting on your big boy panties, and letting a match flow naturally and peacefully without losing your fucking minds and bitching at people.

taking it more serious does not give you the right to act like a coward and throw any man hood or dignity you may have away. unless you simply have neither one from the get go.

go cry and report me to one of the moderators on here that supports your bully like mentality.

KETSU0May 19, 20194 votes

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taking it more serious does not give you the right to act like a coward and throw any man hood or dignity you may have away. unless you simply have neither one from the get go.

And taking it less serious does not give you the right to sabotage the and screw over the other 4 players on your team by playing casually/ less optimally.

dboy225May 20, 20191 votes

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And taking it less serious does not give you the right to sabotage the and screw over the other 4 players on your team by playing casually/ less optimally.

lol right. clearly you did not read all of what i said. in the example i gave. nobody had time to play serious or casually before they all lost their fucking minds simply because i said i was new to ranked. needless to say i never played many ranked games after that. it was not my life long dream in the first place to be high ranked in a video game. i have more important things in life going on to worry about. hence why i never feel the need to go off on somebody if they are doing bad or are new. losing a match in a video game is no reason to completely lose your fucking mind, and start bullying and harassing someone. and anyone who does, clearly does not have anything more important in their lives going on. im sorry. ill never deem any video game important enough to lose my mind and act like a stone aged primal cave man towards someone. we are playing a game.... not trying to survive on an island together.

save the shit talking and bashing for the enemy team. its common fucking sense, but clearly you and the other guy don't have enough of it to realize that.

KETSU0May 20, 20193 votes

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lol right. clearly you did not read all of what i said. in the example i gave. nobody had time to play serious or casually before they all lost their fucking minds simply because i said i was new to ranked. needless to say i never played many ranked games after that. it was not my life long dream in the first place to be high ranked in a video game. i have more important things in life going on to worry about. hence why i never feel the need to go off on somebody if they are doing bad or are new. losing a match in a video game is no reason to completely lose your fucking mind, and start bullying and harassing someone. and anyone who does, clearly does not have anything more important in their lives going on. im sorry. ill never deem any video game important enough to lose my mind and act like a stone aged primal cave man towards someone. we are playing a game.... not trying to survive on an island together.

save the shit talking and bashing for the enemy team. its common fucking sense, but clearly you and the other guy don't have enough of it to realize that.

Then why the fuck did you play ranked in the first place? Stay ya ass in normals.

dboy225May 20, 20192 votes

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And taking it less serious does not give you the right to sabotage the and screw over the other 4 players on your team by playing casually/ less optimally.

and who said you have to flame people, bitch like a ten year old at people, or flat out harass and bully them into tilt to take a match serious? like i said its actually the opposite. people who try to just get along with their team mates and hype one another up are the ones really trying to win. every time someone lets their ego take over and starts bashing people all it does is destroy the moral and focus of the team as a whole.

please show me one war where all the soldiers stop during the middle of the war and start bitching at one another, harassing one another. and shooting at one another. or show me one professional sports game that does the same thing. and no... not towards the enemies but among themselves. then and only then what you and the other guy are trying to say can have any real credit outside of your own idiotic ideology.

once again blow that smoke out of your own ass, or up each others asses. don't try to blow it up someones ass that has even the slightest bit of common sense and reasoning skills.

KETSU0May 20, 20193 votes

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dboy225May 20, 20192 votes

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You might be right about there not being a war won by bitching and moaning, but tell me. What war has been won by soldiers being completely relaxed and uncaring? I'll wait... Like how the fuck do you think it destroys the focus when there was no focus to begin with by you being lethargic to the whole match, were still gonna lose game anyway cuz your sorry ass couldn't click onto the right game mode to practice your bullshit attitude towards ranked. Might as well let you know that your happy-go-lucky comments ain't doing the team justice coupled with your play. I much rather have a flaming deuche who is trying to win than a fuccboi who is being all "kumbaya" about the whole situation on my team.

lmao fuccboi eh? no im a grown married man. hence why i don't feel the need to cut my balls off and throw them out the window by bitching at people during a match like a ten year old :) but clearly you do lol. like i said flaming someone over plays in a video game or anything related to a video game shows a clear lack of balls and respect for others. they are the kind of guys who grew up cursing out their parents and bossing them around. and seeing that you feel the need to defend that behavior makes you calling me a fuccboi extremely laughable and void of any meaning whatsoever. in my book, bitching at somebody for playing a game and minding their own business, instead of trying to get along regardless of if they are playing bad or not, even if we may lose, shows a clear lack of man hood. try again pumpkin but :). once again. blow that smoke up your own ass and go punch your mom some more.

no they would not be relaxed and uncaring.... where did i ever say i did not care to win that match? or any match for that matter? im simply saying i would not lose my fucking mind and go off on people if it seems like we may lose. its called growing up. could you imagine if one team won whatever sport it was all the time? people would get really bored and lose interest really fast.....

and what attitude did i have in that ranked match? the attitude of getting along and working with my teammates was the only attitude i had from the start.... simply by saying i was new to ranked but planned on giving it my all. first comment after..... not even before the one minute mark.. gg... and then it just continued from there. not a single guy in there had enough balls or common sense to know how teams are suppose to work. and clearly you don't either.

that would be like a new recruited solider.. going in with a group of guys to a certain war zone that he has not been to yet and saying hey guys. its my first time being out here... and then all the guys he is with lose their minds and say oh lord! we are all going to die now! goodbye guys! this guy is new to the area! report him to the sarge! throw a dynamite up his ass! do you not realize how stupid that is? any other solider he was going to war with would realize how stupid that is.... and would assure him they had his back... and would show him the way around.... not lose their fucking minds and go off on him....

goodnight pumpkin but :) let me know when you gain some common sense and then we can continue this discussion if you so please. and also when you have some valid arguments for losing your mind and bitching at people who are doing their best in a match. even though you never see it in any other sport on the face of the planet.... the only people they are bitching at and bashing is the enemy. once again. its common sense.... no clue how its going right over your head, but that is an issue you need to figure out with yourself and im done being your therapist and trying to explain it to you.

Madjack01May 19, 20197 votes

I played since season one and believe it or not the game used to be far more toxic than what we see today. Riot was also far more laid back with toxicity back then if memory serves correctly.

I believe people tend to think otherwise due to something called chronocentrism. It's a reflex we have to think that a given problem is something that's more than ever hot shit in our current time and often that it's far worse than it used to be. Usually that is not the case though (or at least it's not as clear cut as people make it out to be).

I also assume that people find far more stuff toxic today than they used to back then... but that's too loaded a discussion to get into right now.