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Reworking the Banning system/Rework Permabans

SilentBigstevie·4/1/2018, 2:51:32 AM·6 votes·1,652 views

Hello, everyone I was once a what some may have considered a slightly toxic player that has been "reformed", meaning I've changed my attitude towards League. Since I've reformed I've reached honor 5 last season 7 on a new account and currently on my way to honor 3 this season. Anytime some is typing too much I just mute them instead of "bming" or "flaming" them. I was just thinking Riot/League should rework permabans, I think no player should be permabanned for having one game of toxicity or however many it may take. If I player is being too toxic they should be given chat restrictions instead, or 30mins queue timers. Que timers also might seem harsh but are better than permabanning someone. So what do you guys think? Should players receive other penalties issued instead of permabanning peoples accounts or other ideas such as bring back tribunal? or giving players once banned accounts a once or 3 times strikes to actually completely permabanning them completely? Also, keep in mind, yes <insert Gamertag here> may have deserved it, but what if you were them? Would you want the same penalty issued to you??? Thanks for the ideas and your time to read this post.

48 Comments

Chermorg4/1/2018, 3:28:48 AM6 votes

Considering the permanent ban caused you to reform... I think you're the prime example of why not to remove the permanent ban.

Silent Gravity4/1/2018, 3:43:38 AM3 votes

The current punishment system seems to have changed your behavior. Not flaming people is a improvement for the other 3/8 players that would have had to deal with you as well as the original offender.

The proposed stacking chat restrictions was TRIED already. When people were unable to annoy/retaliate with chat, they chose, in a massive preponderance, to annoy people with gameplay trolling. (which is both much more difficult to detect, and has a greater negative impact on a game)

Tribunal, as a whole, was incredibly inefficient, inconsistent, and slow. Different people judged each case, with attitude, attention and vindictiveness as variables. The IFS judges each reported game, and each account the exact same every time. The Tribunal was months behind in caseload, which both punished reformed players for actions they had forgotten long ago and allowed dedicated trolls to ruin many games before the Tribunal caught up with them. The IFS, while not "instant", still processes every report within approximately 15 minutes even under a load spike.

According to Riot, the number of people who reform after each stage of punishment gradually reduces. If someone isn't going to reform after the 3rd punishment, they're not going to reform at all. The data on recidivism isn't easily tracked externally, but Riot seems convinced that their current scheme balances giving people enough chances to reform with limiting the amount of damage an account can do.

There was a level 20 challenge, where permabanned people could apply for an unban by leveling a fresh account to 20 without getting any punishments. The story I heard was that Riot went through every application by hand, chose only those most likely to reform, and even then it was only 5% successful.

I signed a contract with Riot to behave according to their standards while accessing their servers. Breach of contract would be something that I have already agreed to be punished for, if it occurs. So, yes, I would want the same penalty applied to me.

HalcyonDweller4/1/2018, 6:39:57 AM2 votes

The system as it is will only ever be effective at what it already does. It deals with first time offenders, and teaches them better. Anybody who is immature or idiotic enough to persist in toxic behavior through multiple accounts and multiple permanent bans will not be stopped by another permanent ban.

I want to see more periodic or temporary punishments, things that can be applied that won't make a player want to create a new account (due to the work required to level said new account). The account has to be available again before it would be worthwhile to have leveled a new account.

So what I would like to see are more temporary bans. Riot should implement more levels in their punishment system, and they should create separate ladders for separate types of behavior (eg. someone who gets 14-day banned for a first offense using slurs should not then be permabanned one week later due to being passive aggressive - because making different behaviors cumulative like that can lead to situations where people who think only slurs are toxic are not given a chance to learn not to be passive aggressive). This would help a lot with keeping players from getting jaded after punishments, and it might prevent them from throwing tantrums as much.

And Riot needs to get a handle on the smurf account situation. Not because of smurfs, but because of toxic players who use smurfs or new accounts to completely circumvent their bans. It should be simple enough to set up the league client with a UID so it can link any accounts used on that client to that UID. This could be used in conjunction with other data that Riot already has like heatmaps and player habits (champions, flash on d/f, roles, friends, etc.) to accurately identify accounts that belong to the same user.

SanKakU4/1/2018, 2:09:24 PM1 votes

Yeah, I should be able to get more bans, too many OP champs. Kappa

stainlord4/1/2018, 3:19:43 PM1 votes

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Troll for Trump4/1/2018, 4:03:21 PM1 votes

The system's trash inherently because of how focused it is on talking solely about the game.

MauiTheDemiGod54/1/2018, 4:38:42 PM1 votes

Honestly 14 day suspension is just Bonkers! Then full suspension Wow! 1st of all it should be a 1 day ban to show you are being watched, watch what you are saying There are people that cannot control there anger but a 14 day suspension makes people quit league on how long it is and move to fortnite Anyways you get the gist

Dolyna4/2/2018, 1:44:09 AM1 votes

The one problem I see is that some people will say kys or something that constitutes hate speech without thinking about it, and then get hit with a two week suspension. That doesn't teach them much about avoiding toxic language in general, and they can get hit with a permanent ban extremely easily just for being somewhat negative.

I'd support a one month suspension following the two week suspension, and a permaban after that. That would give the clueless a little more time to get a clue.

Risen294/4/2018, 7:37:43 AM1 votes

This new ban system makes no sense.

If you banned people for commiting the same offense four times in a row, in a short time, that would be one thing. But you cant punish them for toxic chat, then months later after they have long since reformed thier chat, give another level of punishment for an afk game.

Its too severe. It doesnt give a chance for genuine reform. It doesnt recognize all the improvement they've made but just hammers them down for one mistake out of 300 games over 3 months.

Its like a death cycle you get stuck on. If you havent gotten punished before then the system wont even flag your games. But if you have then all it takes is one mistake to bring another punishment, and the time frame involved is impossibly long. So it seems like you cant win. Everyone has bad games, but only those who have been punished before will continue to be punished for those bad games. They dont get the same grace and forgiveness that everyone else does even if 99% of thier games are fine.