So, Let Me Get This Right

RIP Resonance·5/25/2016, 2:09:52 PM·7 votes·589 views

Let's say a toxic player gets banned for two weeks. It's deserved because some of the shit he said was pretty bad. Five months later, after not getting validly reported, and attempting to reform, said player is permabanned because of a relapse.

According to Riot's team, this is okay.

This is like, "Yeah, you were caught with heroin, so we're taking you to prison for 2-4 years."

Said heroin addict attends rehabilitation programs, and serves their time.

Six years later, said addict is caught with heroin and sentenced to either life in prison without parole, or the death penalty.

This is not okay.

38 Comments

elduris5/25/2016, 2:41:02 PM5 votes

Five months later, after not getting validly reported, and attempting to reform, said player is permabanned.

So I think your concern is with people getting permabanned and not being reported for anything to trigger it. There are a few things that this person could be banned for:

The instant feedback system scans for extreme racism, homophobia, sexism, etc. and punishes accordingly. If they were banned by this, they deserve it.
Using third party modifications to gain an unfair advantage is usually coupled with reports, but not always. Again, would be deserved.
Elo boosting other accounts for profit. I don't see any room in the community for this.

So, like Zielmann said, it depends on what they were banned for. There's a lot of missing context in this hypothetical, but hopefully this post helps you understand the different things that people can be banned for without being reported.

Hello I am Bird5/25/2016, 2:18:51 PM4 votes

A part of me really likes thinking of a permanent suspension being the same as the death penalty ;v;

Firu5/25/2016, 2:59:54 PM3 votes

This analogy is incorrect. In League, it is possible to get a completely clean record if you've not been punished for a certain amount of time. The only time you are permanently marked is when your account is permanently banned.

In your analogy (which I still don't agree with), it is like a person becomes addicted but then if they behave long enough any dependencies on the drug is erased forever. But once again, let me state, relating drug addiction to toxicity in game is not a good parallel by any means.

Zielmann5/25/2016, 2:17:15 PM3 votes

No, it wouldn't be okay if that happened, because anybody getting punished off of invalid reports is not okay.

If this is in fact the case, said player could submit a support ticket to have their punishment reviewed. Riot will remove the ban if it was truly a mistake. But I would question what exactly it was that got this person banned. There have been a couple ban waves recently for other things, so perhaps this person was caught and banned for something else and is mistakenly blaming the instant feedback system. We'd have to know what the ban email said to confirm either way.

Mig895/25/2016, 4:54:59 PM2 votes

Yes. Just because you waited months to be toxic again doesn't mean the situation shouldn't escalate. I'm tired of the hate speech and extreme negativity. I don't understand getting that mad in a game. If something makes you feel the need to act that way then why even play. I know i don't speak for the community but i love seeing people getting banned for toxic and then complain that they werent that toxic or werent toxic in a little while. Good Bye.

AraMoOse5/25/2016, 3:21:41 PM2 votes

I'd like to suggest a different, but similar analogy : Drunk driving.

You are driving drunk and you cause damage to a person or property. You are arrested, have to go to rehab and so on.

Then you do it again. You are arrested, slightly harsher sentence.

Then you do it again.

At what point does the community realize that you are not going to stop? Every time we put you back on the street we are putting the community at risk.

Astôlfo5/26/2016, 8:43:27 PM1 votes

Uh, let me help correct you. "Help, I got banned for being a dick."

AraMoOse5/27/2016, 5:05:54 AM1 votes

These are not statements of opinion you are expressing. They are statements of fact.

3 months without toxicity is not only possible, but easy. Which makes you wrong on the first count.

The system can detect ping spamming, which makes you wrong on the second count.

RIP Resonance5/27/2016, 6:54:01 AM1 votes

I like it how someone took the time out of their day to downvote all of my replies to this thread.

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Not true at all. Riot has studdies saying that 92% of people reform after their first punishment. There's a lot of data on this that proves you're wrong. Not to mention, you're bitter.

When you can actually state a fact proven by Riot's research, and still get downvoted. I do love this community.

Kei1435/25/2016, 2:28:11 PM1 votes

Well, it depends on what the first 14-day ban and the permaban was for.

If the first was for toxicity and the 2nd was for 3rd party program use, I'm OK with that perma.

DrCyanide5/25/2016, 2:47:36 PM1 votes

Let's say a toxic player gets banned for two weeks. It's deserved because some of the shit he said was pretty bad. Five months later, after not getting validly reported, and attempting to reform, said player is permabanned.

Do you have a specific example of this happening to someone? Because to my knowledge the system doesn't work that way.

Reports are validated before anything happens
Even if invalid reports got though, It would take multiple games of invalid reports for anything to happen
Over the course of 5 months your punishment tier would drop, resulting in you getting a two week ban if you did get punished

For said player to be permabanned there has to be more to the story.

Fovere5/25/2016, 3:33:22 PM1 votes

I'd guess its the severity of the comments that cause the ban/punishment.

I've gotten a few 10 game restrictions across the span of a few months but I an not generally very aggressive and don't use strong language. (Both directly from games with 3-4x premades. Just a coincidence I'm sure.)

If you end up going ape shit at some folk you might earn yourself a ban without any of the lesser punishments.

To add to the analogy, its like a drug addict relapsing after a few years, entering a state of psychosis, and causing another person severe harm/death. Just because you have a clean record doesnt mean you're going to get misdemeanor possession. Riot has showing increasingly less tolerance for certain kinds of speech, and will ban for you w/o warning if you use it.

Mig895/25/2016, 7:43:41 PM1 votes

And in real life it takes years for things to come off of your record. Not months or weeks. years.

Mig895/25/2016, 8:24:23 PM1 votes

92% may not do it again but that urge to never goes away. The 8% decided it was worth it to run their mouths(fingers?) again and get the hammer. Your example of a drug user getting more time for the second offense is accurate. they may not get life but the punishment will escalate. Im not bitter. Its just how life is lol