Why Bringing back the Tribunal is important

BigfootNamedYeti·9/22/2018, 12:59:17 AM·3 votes·1,358 views

I have been spending the last few days contemplating this seeing multiple boards post about unfair bans or bans not seemingly scaling to the crime or zero tolerance being a driving factor of bans. The thing these all have in common is that these bans are automated and dehumanized.

When the Tribunal was around it was player based and leaving it to the players to define what is bad and what isnt. Having those records of a person's recent games to reference multiple game reports and then come to a decision, not based a singular person but a small jury of Players. This community was built on the players, as jurors obeying and applying the summoners code.

When I first started playing the summoners code was more than just a list of rules created by riot it was something people sometimes quoted in game or actually acted by and it was enforced by the Tribunal. The Tribunal was my favorite part of the reporting system in league. It allowed the players to decide and dictate the summoners code and in that process it in my own experience limited toxic behavior because it was real and human and not just some system developed to expedite the process of punishment. Having the system be automated gives people an idea of what they can get away with, whenever there's a system people find out how it works and function within it without exceeding the rules of the system.

It's cool that riots ban system works but if players were the ones doling out the judgement we might actually see the toxicity lower in games.

9 Comments

Kei1439/22/2018, 1:06:12 AM5 votes

That's still largely how the behavior system works right now.

The part of the behavioral system is a learning machine that learns from the community's (millions) daily reports. We are still in the driver's seat to decide what is acceptable and what isn't.

The good thing about the tribunal was that it acted as the major means of visibility for the behavioral system. Everything is automated now, and when they removed the tribunal, the visibility disappeared along with it. At the end, it leads to people doubting the system or have questions like yourself.

mlm olo mlm9/22/2018, 2:14:12 AM4 votes

I work an assembly line. I do the same thing over and over: Part A goes onto Part B and remove bad parts.

A robot works an assembly line. A robot does the same thing over and over: Part A goes onto Part B and remove bad parts.

Tribunal is the human run assembly line. IFS is the robot run assembly line. The robot assembly line should be faster and more accurate than the human run assembly line.

Zombie Gerbil9/22/2018, 2:40:25 AM4 votes

You basically just explained how our current system works while saying that people should do it instead. Instead of our IFS, you want people to dispute people's actions with other people's action. Giving them a reason for a pass even if it means going against the Zero-Tolerance policy regardless of their motives. Giving them a pass just because someone else started it first.

Nah, prefer the IFS. You just clearly explained how important that we don't bring it back.

BeatleZzz9/22/2018, 1:20:22 AM1 votes

Except that you can't have a machine do a human's job. If you could, we would have a cure for cancer, and SKYNET, and the destruction of the human race (as they would see us unworthy).

Computers are only good at crunching numbers. They have no empathy. They will never have empathy. It's all just 1's and 0's. A computer won't have a 'happy' day when things go smoothly, and then get depressed or suicidal when the wrong hormone interacts with the wrong part of your brain at the wrong time, causing you to suddenly think irrationally.

Computers are not humans. And they will never be humans.

It was a computer that 'murdered' that homeless woman because its 'sensors' wasn't able to see her at 1 am in the morning. The car didn't even slow down. NO slow down at all.

Stop trusting computers. Use them as tools only, not as human replacements, except for fixed autonomous jobs and number crunching. They have NO empathy.