Need new forms of punishment

HelpOrIFeed·3/31/2018, 12:27:55 AM·1 votes·676 views

Okay, so we have chat restriction and bans, which only apply to people who speak. But what about people who destroy the game by feeding or refusing to help their allies? We need a punishment for these players as well to be fair.

I suggest, when a person is guilty of feeding too many games, they are forced to replay the tutorial, and then forced to play X number of games in coop vs ai before they can return to pvp.

This would actually decrease the amount of raging that happens in the game because if people knew those game destroyers would get their fair punishment, they would be less likely to verbally harass them.

26 Comments

Imperial Pandaa3/31/2018, 12:56:04 AM5 votes

Even though it should be implied, I would like to verify that you mean intentional feeding.

Confirmed intentional feeding and troll cases are given 14 day bans as a first punishment. So while verbal cases are faster to catch and punish, they do compromise by giving verbal cases more strikes (minus zero tolerance).

Kei1433/31/2018, 1:31:15 AM3 votes

you again?

I thought I've already told you that "feeding" isn't a punishable offense. It's typically just a by-product of getting outplayed.

AeroWaffle3/31/2018, 4:49:16 AM3 votes

The punishment for feeding or playing poorly too many times is losing more games.

The punishment for intentional feeding is a 14-day ban for the first offense, perma after that.

Umbral Regent3/31/2018, 1:05:23 AM3 votes

...and bans, which only apply to people who speak.

14-day Bans and Permanent Bans don't solely apply to chat-related offenses. Gameplay related-offenses (trolling, intentional feeding, etc.) are met with a 14-day Ban as the first punishment for a verified offense, and more egregious offenses (3rd-party software, account boosting, etc.) are met with permabans, as far as I know.

I suggest, when a person is guilty of feeding too many games, they are forced to replay the tutorial, and then forced to play X number of games in coop vs ai before they can return to pvp.

And how do you define guilty? Do you consider intentional feeding to be guilty, or do you just look at KDA and ignore everything else? If you're looking for intentional feeding and not incidental feeding (or, as it's better known, getting beat), how do you detect it? Have you some fool-proof detection method to tell whether or not someone's intentionally trying to fuck over their teammates?

Or, considering the nature of the punishment, you're probably only seeking to punish people for having bad games rather than actually looking for feeders, since, the way you phrase the punishment, you're punishing people for being "unskilled" (in your subjective view). Do you really think that someone will get better in PVP by doing PVE?

More than that, outside of level/champion pool prerequisites, you really shouldn't force players to play gamemodes they don't want to play. If they don't want to do the Tutorial, you can't force them to. If they want to try and climb in Ranked - as long as they meet the entry requirements, they're fully allowed to do so.

And, of course, to top it off and cement my assumption that you don't actually care about intentional feeders, just players who have a bad match or two:

This would actually decrease the amount of raging that happens in the game because if people knew those game destroyers would get their fair punishment, they would be less likely to verbally harass them.

Why in the fresh hell are you trying to excuse flamers? Nobody should be inclined to harass or flame anyone, regardless of skill. Sure, if someone's intentionally feeding, it's absolutely okay to feel pissed off - but only that far. One shouldn't bring their rage into chat, 'cause it'll only make things worse for everyone else in the match.

It looks like your proposal is less geared towards actually punishing intentional feeders, and more towards punishing players who have a bad game and get flamed for the flamers.

And I could be wrong, but I don't yet see a good reason to assume that this is actually meant to punish feeders. Feeders and trolls wouldn't give two shits about having to replay Tutorials/bots, because they know they'd be able to get right back to trolling and feeding afterwards, and if that's the only punishment - then your proposal would fail to do its job.

o GangPlank o3/31/2018, 5:19:40 AM1 votes

i really hope we are talking about ranked here , who honestly cares if someone feeds in a match that doesnt matter?

its irritating yes , but it doesnt reflect on your account liked the competitive ranked mode does

Telephone Booth3/31/2018, 12:51:01 AM1 votes

No way. They should just be more diligent when it comes to detecting and punishing these trolls. I don't know what they do when you got someone trolling and report them, but it clearly isn't enough. They just need to detect these inters and feeders better, which isn't easy I guess. They can get 14 day banned as a warning, and then permabanned if they repeat the behavior. People who unintentionally feed don't need to be punished by the game developers for not being good at their game. That is just assannine.

GLurch3/31/2018, 1:45:09 AM1 votes

As others mentioned, intentional feeding gets punished with a 14 day ban and upon continuing, a permanent ban. Feeding on the other hand, or rather playing bad (since feeding only implies a bad kda, while the game actually is about objectives, so kda isn't the most precise way of measuring how someone performed) is punished by losing more games on average. The games they'll impact this way should be very low as well, since the system shouldn't take long to adjust their MMR. Eventually, they'll play with and against players of the same skill level again. The only exceptions is if a time should arise when there is no person of a similar MMR to be found, in which case Riot has no other option but to match the person with someone of lower/higher MMR, since otherwise they'd have very long queue times. However, this should only be a problem for example during the night, when not many play.

Scuffleboard3/31/2018, 12:33:07 AM1 votes

Bots are a joke- I've won with an AFK and three feeding bots on my team, and I'm not even that good. And the tutorial literally advises you to build thornmail on Ashe... This wouldn't teach anyone anything, and punishing people who are trying their hardest is simply bad.

If you're advocating punishing people who do bad on purpose, there's already a system for that- 14 day ban on the first confirmed offense, then next is a perma.