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WHEN are you RIOT going to do something about AFKs. Seriously.

Dane Belthound··58 votes·3,101 views

I have been playing for 5 years and heard you guys say for YEARS now, "We are working on it". NOTHING has been done.

Nothing is more frustrating in this game than doing your placements (which are already depressing because you know you are going to be DROPPED several tiers no matter how good you do) and then you get THREE games with an afk on your team. These games then count against you in your placement which makes no sense. Especially when your system registered all three of these people as afk. Seriously, why do you have to think so much about it? If someone is afk from early in the game to the end, THAT GAME SHOULD NOT COUNT. It is frustrating and demoralizing that you guys sit back and do nothing about this and always claim that it is too complicated. Doing SOMETHING is better than nothing.

On top of it all, my last game I had the most damage by 10000 on both teams and we were 4v5 from the beginning. Will your system care? Nope.

37 Comments

Jamaree13 votes

There really does need to be a system like DoTA where you can leave with no penalty if someone doesn't connect from the start.

MrWasjig1 votes

People have been suggesting this for some time now and no sign of it sadly. If this system was implemented it wouldn't be exploitable due to the circumstances in which it works. Not to mention it could also be fined tuned further.

10Tickler3 votes

Here's an idea.

Replace AFK/Disconnects with the one, and only EXPERT LEVEL BOTS.

I'm not talking Intermediate. I'm talking Doombots. Without the cray cray abilities, but still.

Namean?

KANYE OBAMA GOD1 votes

Doom bots were still stupid as hell, they just kicked your ass because their abilities were bat shit insane lol

That's why Yi-sus was good OP in Doombots :P

MasterSomething4 votes

THAT GAME SHOULD NOT COUNT.

Not the correct way to go about things. People will abuse this system by being toxic towards others enough that they leave. They want to avoid this even though they already have a system for this. It sucks ass, I know, but so does ranked.

skyknyt7 votes

if someone never connects the entire game

the game shouldn't have even started

NichtHurz1 votes

Yeah, that's a nice part of Dota. You load into the game, but if people don't connect for quite a bit of time the game will automatically end and put you back into queue.

PDE5 Inhibitors2 votes

So have the person that afks take 100% of the lp loss. Then people aren't going to abuse it because they would actually be penalized for afking.

MasterSomething3 votes

That won't stop people from trying to push others into doing it. Some friends may even abuse it by having one leave when things are looking bad so they don't lost LP.

Axis the Dragon4 votes

Or queue up with throwaway accounts. Since IP banning is not possible (College Campuses, apartments, dorms, libraries, etc.), you can just keep recreating trash accounts to lvl 30, duoing with others (you can even probably receive payment for this) and DC when things go south.

Iqqi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=PDE5 Inhibitors,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Efsjm86n,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2016-01-25T14:00:59.735+0000)

So have the person that afks take 100% of the lp loss. Then people aren't going to abuse it because they would actually be penalized for afking.

I completely agree. I say this in almost every post. Riot since selling out no longer cares about what is "fair" to the greater majority and only cares about what will lead to the most users and potential revenue.

Riot could expand their system to give more hard punishments to DCers and quiters. The only reason they havent is either A. They are too stupid to come up with a real system (I think they are idiots anyway) or B. Their "data" suggests that if they expanded the system it is likely they would lose "X" amount of players and potential "Y" amount of revenue, but if they keep the system and dont increase punishments they will only lose "V" players and "B" revenue from non DC players who quit because the system is terrible.

Riot is no longer a good company when it comes to their policies and systems regarding players. They are a publicly traded company which sold all their company shares to a chinese conglomerate. The game it once was is gone. Any change people wished they would see, if it has not already happened, it never will. Riot is not the same company it once was.

MasterSomething1 votes

They're free to play company running on shareholds from Tencent, LCS games (which cost a shit ton), and RP. Why do you think they are rich like Sony or Nintendo? They are massive now, they have a lot more to worry about, and they have to think about changes a lot faster. Servers used to be down 3 days a week, my friend. Now they are only down for maintenance every patch every few weeks. Now, DCers and quitters, it gets hard to punish them fairly since it will affect everyone else who DC'd when it was seemingly out of their control (i.e Computer overheating, internet crashing, Microsoft updates) and the current punishment people are already complaining about not being fair. It's doing its job. Nothing is perfect, and you think they can be. They are currently focusing on toxicity, which has more potential to spiral than DCing is. Also, you shouldn't call Riot (stupid) what you are. "Their are to stupid"... That made my eyes bleed. I'd like to see your damn idea on how to fix this solution. It is hard to do this even remotely.

No Ganks3 votes

We here at Riot will punish these players you will never see again because that'll give you your lp back.

PIMPSMOOTH2 votes

6 seasons and they have literally done jack shit about this, why would you expect it to change now?

R3p0r7M32 votes

RIOT is not gunna do jack squat about it because this game is FREE to play. So even if you BAN someone they will be right back into your next game AFKing if they don't like you. That's what this game is all about so live with it or quit and let the trolls win. did you know it takes about 10 000 reports to actually ban someone from the game? that's a hell of a lot of games to troll before making a new account you know ;)

Juggernaut6281 votes

Gotta make this have more upvotes than views.

PrimeWraith1 votes

wtf? i never knew you can upvote! thanks for showing me

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

That's what dynamic que is for. Pick some buddies who you can trust, and have fun with it. Even if you only get a 3 or 4 man, that's still a 50 to 75 percent reduction of a possible afker (or feeder, toxic person, etc...). Dynamic que was riot's response to the troll and afk problem.

Sarutobi1 votes

The thing is basically everything the community has come up with could be taken into abuse. If the game doesn't count what's stopping someone from just leaving the game and "taking one for the team"?

Now granted afk are different than people who never connected into the game. And I think they should have a system in place for when someone doesn't connect from the start, but I'm mainly talking about games where everyone is there and someone decides to just leave (for what ever reason)

ChocoBean1 votes

Well i m in bronze again and getting ppl with scores like 1/15 , 1/8 also adc quitting got supp got 1monion farm so basically there are hell lot of problems with it and i dont think when someone give good suggestion rito does really listen to that

They might read this post and release a new master yi skin i guess .

Mestophilies1 votes

What?

Gregor Gysi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dane Belthound,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Efsjm86n,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-01-25T02:16:14.324+0000)

I have been playing for 5 years and heard you guys say for YEARS now, "We are working on it". NOTHING has been done.

And how would you know that? Oh right, you don't.

[{quoted}](name=Dane Belthound,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Efsjm86n,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-01-25T02:16:14.324+0000)

Nothing is more frustrating in this game than doing your placements (which are already depressing because you know you are going to be DROPPED several tiers no matter how good you do) and then you get THREE games with an afk on your team. These games then count against you in your placement which makes no sense. Especially when your system registered all three of these people as afk. Seriously, why do you have to think so much about it? If someone is afk from early in the game to the end, THAT GAME SHOULD NOT COUNT. It is frustrating and demoralizing that you guys sit back and do nothing about this and always claim that it is too complicated. Doing SOMETHING is better than nothing.

Ahh you are only ranting. OK.

[{quoted}](name=Dane Belthound,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Efsjm86n,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-01-25T02:16:14.324+0000)

On top of it all, my last game I had the most damage by 10000 on both teams and we were 4v5 from the beginning. Will your system care? Nope.

Oh u so gud only afks and feeders keep u in bronze always many many kills and damages why no challenjourr wtfß?

Troll Armada1 votes

Look, you clearly just don't understand the complexities involved in implementing this type of system.

Rest assured, Riot Engineers are working 24-7 to implement the most ~~effective ~~humane AFK ~~punishment ~~rehabilitation system possible for its summoners.

As it was written in the great code:

"Thou Must Not Blame the Team."

They could be an adult with a baby who needed medical attention....or a cat was stuck in a tree, and they had to go help get it down.

TheStevenWu1 votes

Just make it so players can vote to abandon game within the first 2 minutes of the game (only if no first blood has been taken). This will allow games where players never connected to be forfeited with no LP penalty. Make it so the team that utilizes this function all gets hit with a dodge penalty.

Small detail: voting can only start at 1:15. This is too allow players who have client/internet issues in the beginning some leeway to rejoin the game. It also allows more time for players to walk into lane/jungle camp. There is almost (less invade) no reason for teams to forfeit before this time mark.

Small detail 2: This option is only available for games in which most of the players are below diamond level. Level 1 plays are more significant in higher elo play and therefore the potential use for abuse is higher.

Any options to allow forfeitures after this mark will be too susceptible to abuse and should be not implemented. However, nothing significant happens in the first 2 minutes (less an invade) and therefore creates no harm to allow implementation of this system.

Moreover, if you are dealing with a disconnect/afk issues well into the game - that's just bad luck. RIOT should not have a system to account for this, as the potential use for abuse would be close to 100%. The only way a system like this can happen is if RIOT allows loss forgiven for the losing team but forces the disconnecting/afk player to drop an entire division/tier. Harsh punishments would discourage players from "taking one for the team (abuse)". This punishment is most likely too harsh in most incidents, and therefore should not be implemented. If ya'll wish, the League community can voice their opinion and agree that AFK/disconnects (FOR ANY REASON) should be punished with heavy LP loss and/or division/tier drop. This would happen even if the reason for your disconnect is because Comcast went down or your loved ones were sent to the hospital. Before voicing an opinion on this, think what you would want if something unexpected happened to you that was out of your control. Point: someone needs to take the punishment for the loss, it can't just be completely forgiven. So either someone loses LP equal to all 5 members, or everyone loses LP equally.

mack91121 votes

But they have :3

Iqqi1 votes

If they were not before they will not now. Every player Riot excludes is a loss of potential revenue. Riot has completely sold out to a chinese company that only cares about profits. Riot will never implement any kind of behavior change system because every player they exclude means the loss of potential revenue.

Riots existing behavior systems are as extensive as they will ever be. If you ever get banned in League it means you are such an incredibly toxic player that your attitude is so bad that you will cause others to leave and it makes financial sense to ban you then let you continue to play and likely cause others to leave.

PlayandStfu1 votes

My friend almost got banned for afking, I don't know what you mean, but he upgraded his computer/internet and was fine.

blkKalameet1 votes

He's upset that games that start without a player loaded in, and that player never connects are counted as part of your ranked performance.

Troll Armada1 votes

I don't see what the big deal is. Personally, I've never had an afk in my games, but even in the unlikely event that someone does not have a perfect high speed internet connection, Riot scientists have already explained that you have a lower probability of getting an afk, than the enemy team.

You, you have a total of 4 chances to get an AFK, because we are assuming you will not AFK, we subtract you from FIVE which is the total number of people on your team, whereas the enemy, you see, has FIVE chances to get an AFK and they can't subtract anyone, because you aren't there.

So as you can see, it's really not an issue at all.

DeynaTaggerung1 votes

This was Lyte a few months ago on the subject. I'm not sure if it's exactly satisfying but at least you'll understand some of their thought process on the matter.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/BNyn3GxJ-i-love-that-after-5-years-of-ranked-in-this-game?comment=000a000e0000

EasyFoon1 votes

they won't. Forever 4v5![slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Xyltin1 votes

I play for 5 years, too, and it was way worse back then. I don't know how it is on low elo NA, but in EUW I barely see an AFK guy. D/Cs are somthing that can happen, but someone really going AFK is rare for me to see and it was a real problem back in S2.

BeeDee1 votes

Not sure if I am in the minority of player here, but I honestly haven't seen many AFKers in a while. I would guess that in my last 3 months of games with roughly 4 games a day (some days more some days less) I have seen maybe 4 players afk/rq/never connect. Not sure if it is ranked based or not but i was Gold 2/3 for most of last season and haven't seen much at all. I have been playing since beta and over the last 2 seasons I have gradually noticed the AFK situation getting better, but i may be in a minority.

2 quick side notes; first, It isn't that hard to win when down a player, I won a 3v5 once in season 3 with our team having a diana, hec, mf (afk lulu and garen) vs ez, yorick, lee, leona and an adc that i can't remember (the ez was mid). If you keep the right mindset, and don't get tilted by being down a player, you can win.

Second, I wouldn't say it is depressing that you drop several tiers from placement, I would say that the challenge of actually climbing to where you were before and possibly passing it, is a good motivation boost compared to the stale feeling you get from being stuck in the same elo for potentially the whole season. It also get rid of the boosted kid for a bit seeing as most of that occurred a bit before the season rewards come out.

Alorrin011 votes

How about the player who announced in champ select they're going to feed, then afk, does it, gets reported and then tomorrow is right back at it when i check their accounts. seriously.

Calchexxis1 votes

I just played a game where we had a leaver before 15 minutes and put up a good showing anyway. We still lost but if we'd had 5 people we probably wouldn't have. Still lost LP though because Riot thinks Leaver games are still valid I guess. I just made a post like this not too long ago.

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