Petition for Changes on the Report Process

Big Sacs Only·Dec 11, 2017·3 votes·356 views

Looking into this with an open mind, I believe some people can agree that a change in the player reporting process can change for the better. I believe you would lose a lot of false reports on players and make the system target and find real toxic players but changing it like this:

If you wish to report a player and have their game/chat reviewed, you will also be under review.

Think about this first and hear me out before jumping to any conclusions. If you are actually not a toxic player, you should have no problem. If you happened to have lost your cool at a teammate one game, so be it. Let the process decide if you're toxic if you were reported, but it should be fair the other people who reported you are reviewed as well. If they instigated and then reported you for being toxic, that is almost hypocritical.

If Riot would like help on this almost simple project, I'll lead the whole thing.

10 Comments

ModThe DjinnDec 11, 20174 votes

I get what you're going for here, but I don't think this will actually do anything to help decrease toxicity. False reports are tossed out if the behavior is acceptable, so all this really does is make people less inclined to report toxic behavior when they see it.

Toxic players can still help identify other toxic players, and the fact that this discourages either of them from reporting the other person is something I see as an issue.

All this proposal really does is decrease the number of false reports, but false reports already don't have an effect because they're thrown out. The system doesn't need to reduce them, especially when doing so has a very likely side effect of reducing actual reports for real toxicity.

Big Sacs OnlyDec 11, 20171 votes

I understand what you're saying as well, but its not only to remove the amount of false reports. Right now this system is pretty black and white. If you have examples of toxic in the chat, you're done. I'd say a majority of every instance of toxicity isn't exactly as black and white as the system is. There is so much going on in that gray area that is being disregarded, and because of this many players who do happen to take these matters to officers of Riot don't get much help because they're compared to that concrete, iron clad black and white system. I can give an example of one scenario. A friend of mine recently told me he was playing with some friends. He was typing to one of them to get on discord, using his discord name. His discord name was something profane, and when he got reported it brought up that instance. Now I know this has nothing to do with the report system areas I am referring to, but its just an example of this "Black and white" problem of the report process. But to explain further; I as a player prefer saying nothing all game. I just use my pings all game, probably racking up the highest ping count. I see the people going back and forth at each other all game, its almost entertaining. I am not saying use this rule to catch out the fake reports only, but just to encourage people if they see a toxic player, leave him be, say nothing, so you can use your report. I enjoy getting the notification of recent report feedback, because I know i say nothing for a reason, to not end up like these other players who get punished. Of course you don't have to follow my lead and say nothing, but whatever you say could not be words of discouragement towards the toxic player, because you're also ruining my game even though I have done nothing. Me as a player who doesn't speak, I see others instigate toxic players all the time, and I don't believe its fair they can ruin my games that way and go unpunished. They aren't always necessarily falling into that "black or white" area with there toxicity, but I believe one will think twice before they think to comment on another player.

Just some things I had to get off my mind, thanks for your time

ModThe DjinnDec 11, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Sacs Only,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EdPng1z6,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-12-11T17:38:39.503+0000)I can give an example of one scenario. A friend of mine recently told me he was playing with some friends. He was typing to one of them to get on discord, using his discord name. His discord name was something profane, and when he got reported it brought up that instance.

See, that's the thing though -- the /whisper command works when you need to do that, or you could use his League name. The choice to type someone offensive into a public chat is still your friend's choice, and he's ultimately responsible for that. You don't get a free pass for being offensive just because someone else has that as a name.

...but just to encourage people if they see a toxic player, leave him be, say nothing, so you can use your report.

I really don't think it does that. It may for YOU, but for many players this reads as a potential risk for using the report action, which isn't ideal at all. We WANT players to feel CONFIDENT reporting toxic players, not live in fear every time we hit the report button.

Big Sacs OnlyDec 11, 20171 votes

You shouldn't be "living in fear," (which it's really not that serious lol), if you're not a toxic player. Only the toxic players should have something to worry about. I'm sure you can play devil's advocate all day my man. Because this subject is not so black and white we can go back and forth all day.

ModThe DjinnDec 11, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Sacs Only,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EdPng1z6,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-11T18:34:19.449+0000)

You shouldn't be "living in fear," (which it's really not that serious lol), if you're not a toxic player. Only the toxic players should have something to worry about. I'm sure you can play devil's advocate all day my man.

I can, which is really why this isn't likely to be implemented -- the positive side is a lot of "I think this may work," and the negative is a lot of "here are a bunch of problematic issues this could create."

Without Riot to actually do some experimental testing, we can't do more than guess. :)

scazzmanDec 12, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=EdPng1z6,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-11T18:43:56.564+0000)

I can, which is really why this isn't likely to be implemented -- the positive side is a lot of "I think this may work," and the negative is a lot of "here are a bunch of problematic issues this could create."

Without Riot to actually do some experimental testing, we can't do more than guess. :)

i feel like this should be implemented if for no other reason then to combat bait banning. "its a bigger problem then people let on"

Jo0oDec 11, 20174 votes

I like your theory (not sure where the downvotes are coming from), but in practice I think it's damaging. Baseless report threats are abundant in this community, among the toxics and the misinformed. An innocent player still has plenty of reasons to not want to be reviewed. Threatening them with such would decrease the number of relevant reports as well as false reports, and I don't think that's worthwhile.

I mean, if you're a law-abiding citizen but were told that, if you file a police report, your own house will get searched... would you? I realize that's far from a perfect metaphor, but I hope it illustrates my concern to some extent.

Big Sacs OnlyDec 11, 20171 votes

Just some things I had to get off my mind, thanks for your time

alasarcherDec 11, 20172 votes

Actually, i dont really see downside to this suggestion. If a game is sent to review, all parties involved should be reviewed by automatic system whether they broke rules.

Big Sacs OnlyDec 13, 20172 votes

Thanks, thats what I was thinking. ITs the perfect way to stop bait banning