Is wishing to surrender really such a terrible thing?

ScurvyNave·5/16/2016, 4:12:17 PM·10 votes·1,887 views

Because lately it seems that whoever wants to, whether it be myself or another teammate, immediately gets called a downer, or negative. If I/they point out the narrow chances we have of coming back we're likely to get reported for negativity it seems. Makes me wonder why the option is even if the game if it seems such a taboo thing to do.

I mean, surrendering isn't a bad thing, its no toxic nor is it insulting your teammates it's literally saying. "Hey guys, lets save everyone some time and accept our defeat early so we can try again with better odds, match ups, or games." The surrender option isn't a bad thing. Even pros have done it before.

Yet why, do I get hated to hades, hell, tartarus and back when I click the button and say can we ff? When we're losing.

ps: its funny cause half the time when they refuse and hate on me for clicking it I'm proven right and we lose anyways.

32 Comments

ZT Xperimentor5/16/2016, 4:23:08 PM12 votes

In itself, no. But asking to surrender every 90 seconds is distracting & annoying. If the vote was a close tie and then there's a game changing teamfight, it's understandable to request it again. Just don't spam it every chance you get, seriously more people need to realize that.

Maximum Morde5/16/2016, 4:49:12 PM5 votes

I always vote Yes to surrender, especially if we are winning.

Weathered5/16/2016, 4:21:43 PM4 votes

Personally I never surrender. And yes, some people see me as "that guy who wastes x person's time", but I have reasons. I never want to surrender because I still want to learn how to play, regardless of the situation.

Example, I went something stupid like 2/10 as Viktor last night trying to learn him for the first time. However, I didn't ff and played till I had near a full build and I was close to the enemy level, so I started to get a feel for damage. Also I found out later that game that I can scout vision with his E, which I wouldn't have found out or noticed till later if I ff'ed.

The next game I went something along the lines of 16/3/11, which I partially think was because of the last game.

So ya. I don't like ffing, but I'm not going to shit on someone for wanting to.

Doctor Jarvis5/16/2016, 4:18:20 PM3 votes

Honestly, its not even about winning for me. Some times a game just feels so shitty that, yeah, you CAN win, but you just don't fucking care enough to do it. I totally get wanting to surrender and you shouldn't get called out for just not wanting to be in the shitty situation you're in anymore

Sirsir5/16/2016, 5:38:56 PM3 votes

Its because the vast majority of times its just one guy lost his lane and because the game is all about him he wants to surrender. More than a few times I've had someone who wants to surrender even tho we were winning because he lost lane (he lost HARD, but we could handle his fed lane opponent just fine,)

Or the enemy has an early game team and we have a late game team, and the early game team is farming kills even tho I've taken 2 dragons already.

I'm not gonna go so far as to say 'the game isn't over until the nexus blows' but people REALLY tend to overreact.

Rainbow Smarf5/17/2016, 2:18:23 PM3 votes

the surrender option should start at 10 minutes in the game now that season 6 has shorter game time and its just stumps after stumps

Swiftstrike45/16/2016, 9:52:46 PM3 votes

Most players, ESPECIALLY in the lower Elos, have no idea how to judge the status of a game aside from kills.

In fact, if you recall, riot tried to make the kill count less noticeable several months back placing the counter right above the mini map in smaller text. The community complained and then they made it more visible and moved it to its more visible position.

Kills matter, but you must account for other factors. If you have a second account and try to level it up it is very noticeable that players over value kills and under value other measures that indicate the status of the two teams.

After an 0-3 start I constantly see players type FF or gg. This may also be due to the fact that most Bronze and Silver players have LITTLE to NO IDEA how to play from behind. I think in silver people begin to understand one can comeback after being down, but Bronze players generally have no clue.

Things to consider when trying to figure out the status of a game besides kills:

CS - typically if this is even the game is still close Turret count Dragons taken Barons taken Team composition - This is important because this is something players discount frequently. If your team composition is geared to late game team fights then laning phase is not going to look too good and deaths may occur. You will likely be behind in kills especially if they have a early game. Most players do not understand when different champions hit power spikes. I am gold and I probably only understand about half the champion's kits and when they hit power spikes. A classic example is when Shaco or Lee Sin has most of a team's kills. Those champions fall off very hard after about 20 minutes, but a lot of players do not understand that. The levels of Champions - Level differential is a good indicator of team status. If the average level of the opposing team is 3 or more levels ahead it is probably time to call the game over, even if kills are even. Vision - If a team doesn't ward they have no map control and this can lead to sneaking objectives, taking jungle camps, and picks Whether opponents make repeated mistakes - Often when players get kills they begin to over extend and this results in picks. Who has the kills - If only one person has kills then that player can be isolated in teamfights.

I am not saying that suggesting to surrender is bad per se, but that most players' personal judgment is poor. A vast majority of the community sits in lower Elo, so their ability to assess the status of a game is not great. Comebacks occur often when opponents get sloppy with their leads.

I think the biggest difference between Gold and Silver players is not mechanics, it is the ability to play from behind and capitalize on an opponent's mistakes. Platinum and higher players are really good at punishing mistakes and playing with leads.

I rarely suggest surrendering because I typically play late game scaling champions. Kill differential matters, but people place too much stock in it.

Oleandervine5/16/2016, 4:37:38 PM2 votes

If the opposing team has a helluva lead on you, like something of 15-2 at the 20 min mark, that's a surrender, but I've been on so many teams that think we can swing back and not get massacred for another 20 min.

LordGeovanni5/16/2016, 9:50:00 PM2 votes

Some people come to play the game that means playing when winning and not winning giving up just because it looks like you are losing makes you a sore loser who doesn't play the game for fun you play the game for wins and is willing to destroy other peoples fun so you can get to another match to look for a shit stomp the game isn't meant to be easy and if you want easy matches bots are for that. If saving time was an issue not playing the game saves all the time. What ever you do with your time can be considered wasted time we decide to waste our time on playing the game and half assing it is irritating and stupid as you aren't quitting to not play you are quitting to play another game and quit again. More over when you most people try to surrender they play worse whether they stay alive or not they half ass team fights don't help and don't push any objectives or ward or do anything worth while but still try to take farm even when they aren't doing anything with it

Tsugaga5/16/2016, 4:19:56 PM2 votes

It's because there's no reason to mention surrendering in chat, and often it's done well before the 20 minute mark. I've had countless games where someone has said "gg ff" or something similar just 5-15 minutes into the game when my team isn't even far behind. Often a player will want to surrender just because they're doing bad in their lane, even if their teammates are doing well and they're actually ahead. I believe it to also be more demoralizing to mention it in chat than it is to just start a surrender vote. There's no reason to ask or argue for a surrender vote, just start a vote and if your teammates believe that you can win then just accept the vote and keep playing. You don't have to win every game, you can learn a lot from a loss, and having experience playing from a losing position is very good experience to have.

Wiggle Dat Butt5/16/2016, 9:01:11 PM2 votes

Nothing wrong with it but sometimes you can turn a game around... had a 2-11 cait in a game with me the other day and we were down 40-29... but I stole Baron Nashor, then we aced them twice and won after losing the entire game. Fun stuff.

Goretorium5/18/2016, 12:10:50 AM1 votes

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ps: its funny cause half the time when they refuse and hate on me for clicking it I'm proven right and we lose anyways.

Perhaps the issue is the "Half the time" If you are surrendering all the time... and you're actually coming back and winning half the games perhaps you are just being negative all the time... Now if you lose every game you surrender it may be insightful but yeah... Surrender less!

Firu5/16/2016, 5:10:14 PM1 votes

Wanting to surrender or not wanting to surrender are not bad things. It's just personal choice and differences. I just believe that starting a surrender vote will have a negative impact on team morale. However, sometimes the that won't matter if the game is out of hand. If it's close, then it might matter. But definitions of what's "close" or "out of hand" vary person to person. If they didn't, then the game would decide for us when it should be forfeit and no one would like that.

SecondAirbane5/16/2016, 5:33:31 PM1 votes

no if you want to surrender but they dont and you keep begging though then its a bad thing but yeah if you want to quit thats not a bad thing just dont make others suffer cause u want to surrender

Jtrain13375/16/2016, 7:05:26 PM1 votes

20 minutes is way too long to be stuck in a game that Riot's pretend matchmaking algorithm completely failed.

eastcoastblaze5/16/2016, 7:06:28 PM1 votes

Yeah, if you have a troll in your game you have to sit quiet and be mother Teresa otherwise you will get punished

Cyanpride5/17/2016, 8:22:00 AM1 votes

It's especially fun when I have a team of idiots who can't understand why having zero tower/dragon kills and the enemy team beating down our base before 20 minutes is cause for surrendering. Then they'll act so surprised when I go off to dick around the map rather than waste effort on what I've already explained to be a hopeless match. Or some asswipes will claim to be "learning" how to play the game (more just learning how far they can take a boot up the ass), and that's their excuse for forcing the team to keep on eating shit along with them. Gives me conniptions...

ARequestOfDeath5/17/2016, 3:53:23 PM1 votes

honestly i think it is kind of bad to surrender. you deny the enemy team from having fun and if there is a 4 man premade and they are winning they can just troll the one guy and surrender.

GundayMonday5/17/2016, 3:54:34 PM1 votes

Some people play the game to play the game. And when your surrender request pops up in the middle of an active team fight and blocks your teammates from right clicking the enemy carries, players can get a little salty. Just play if someone wants to play it out.

Eevee In A Jar5/17/2016, 3:56:20 PM1 votes

No it isn't but when your teammates don't surrender, you should forget the notion of giving up and try your hardest even if you were the one who initiated the surrender. If your teammates don't wish to end the game, why would you? When you start the game, you enter an obligation you're going to finish the game. Now if you didn't lose yet, the game isn't done. If you FF the first time and people bitch at you, there's a chance you were probably crying throughout the game already (not accusing YOU OP, just in general YOU). However, if you haven't done anything to be negative and request for FF and they rage at you, then just mute them. Otherwise it is something you'll have to deal with. Now if it is something you have been spamming every chance you get, then chill out.

nicp5/17/2016, 10:32:46 PM1 votes

I don't mind getting stomped if the person spamming surrender is the reason for wanting to surrender, which 99% of the time it is for me at least. Mid or feed Annie dies 10 times in 15 mins, blames the jungler then spams surrender, well no, you made your bed, now lay in it.