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This automated system really needs the option to "Challenge" unjustified reports.

Wffej·12/20/2019, 8:30:37 PM·1 votes·1,861 views

Game 1 In-Game Wffej: think ima try glacial nasus supp next game. Wffej: not now... wish he stayed afk tbh. Wffej: massive W slow, E armor reduction. Wffej: we'de be fine if u werent afk the first 2 waves Wffej: we're lvl 4... Wffej: stfu. Wffej: muted ass Wffej: gj rammus Wffej: sry adc satill afk Wffej: why do i always get the angry 13yr old adcs Wffej: =( Wffej: im ap nasus. u shoulda just left Wffej: it was 2v3 Wffej: u should just know what ur doing Wffej: and not blame me when u dont Wffej: exactly, so know what ur doing Wffej: dont expect me to go ham with no ult up Wffej: when im not tank nasus Wffej: yea i get it Wffej: ur mad cuz u made a mistake Wffej: and wanna blame someone elkse for it Wffej: damn, u ralmost as good as rammus Wffej: weird, nasus supp is winning the game Wffej: hes legit mad that i didnt dive 2v3 with rammus with no ult up. Wffej: also begging for reports, when nothing is reportable = against ToS. Wffej: imagine being mad u got carried. Wffej: not u. Wffej: enjoy the mute after ur report troll. Wffej: i wont have to Wffej: riot will. Wffej: sry tried to save the baddie, she got ate tho Wffej: maybe if i didnt get u fed, and fed myself. Wffej: idk why ur cryin Wffej: ur only making this worse on urself. Wffej: gladly.

https://prnt.sc/qdqfp5 <-- Game in question. we WON the game, i got the ADC fed, did perfectly fine myself with nasus support. BUT... since i went nasus support the ADC (Who mind you didnt even get to lane until the 3rd wave cuz he was afk) decided he was gonna flame me literally ALL game all the while screaming in all chat to "report me for playing ap nasus support" which in itself is bannable, because begging for reports is against the ToS.

Ultimately there should be an OPTION on the "I understand" page to say No, i dont understand, i didnt do anything wrong, in fact, IM the one who got flammed and trolled and harrassed all game because of the champ i picked, invalid reports or even reports that were made because someone baited (Even if u didnt say or do anything for a validated report) should be able to be challenged and looked into further in cases like this. this simply should not have been punishable. i literally got punished for playing nasus support and doing well with it... lol

11 Comments

NF Remilia12/20/2019, 8:45:28 PM6 votes

"in fact, IM the one who got flammed and trolled and harrassed all game"

Wffej: not now... wish he stayed afk tbh. Wffej: we'de be fine if u werent afk the first 2 waves Wffej: we're lvl 4... Wffej: stfu. Wffej: muted ass Wffej: gj rammus Wffej: sry adc satill afk Wffej: why do i always get the angry 13yr old adcs Wffej: u should just know what ur doing Wffej: ur mad cuz u made a mistake Wffej: and wanna blame someone elkse for it Wffej: damn, u ralmost as good as rammus Wffej: hes legit mad that i didnt dive 2v3 with rammus with no ult up. Wffej: imagine being mad u got carried. Wffej: enjoy the mute after ur report troll. Wffej: sry tried to save the baddie, she got ate tho Wffej: idk why ur cryin Wffej: ur only making this worse on urself.

Your last few lines. You making this worse on yourself. Responding to troll/toxic people gets you that. You dont get gold or items responding to them , infact you losing the game even more. You should just mute from begining and keep going. You harrasing him and flaming him wont help either.

ModPeriscope12/20/2019, 9:04:26 PM6 votes

You spent a significant amount of your chat harassing and insulting a teammate.

You can contact Riot support to look into your punishment, but I do think that a punishment was warranted here.

Umbral Regent12/20/2019, 8:55:18 PM5 votes

Wffej: not now... wish he stayed afk tbh.

Wffej: we'de be fine if u werent afk the first 2 waves Wffej: we're lvl 4... Wffej: stfu. Wffej: muted ass

Very early on you're harassing a player for having AFK'ed and come back - and this starts on the second line with only a one-line gap between the beginning and the next four harassing lines.

Yes, it sucks for players to go AFK, but that doesn't give you any right to flame and harass them.

Wffej: sry adc satill afk Wffej: why do i always get the angry 13yr old adcs

More harassment and negativity.

Wffej: im ap nasus. u shoulda just left Wffej: it was 2v3 Wffej: u should just know what ur doing Wffej: and not blame me when u dont Wffej: exactly, so know what ur doing Wffej: dont expect me to go ham with no ult up Wffej: when im not tank nasus Wffej: yea i get it Wffej: ur mad cuz u made a mistake Wffej: and wanna blame someone elkse for it

More flaming and detrimental arguing...

Wffej: damn, u ralmost as good as rammus Wffej: weird, nasus supp is winning the game Wffej: hes legit mad that i didnt dive 2v3 with rammus with no ult up.

More of the same, along with some unnecessary gloating.

Wffej: also begging for reports, when nothing is reportable = against ToS.

Begging for reports when things are reportable is also against the ToS.

You can argue all day long about it, but at the end of the day, you spent much of this game flaming and harassing your ADC, so, while yes, they were in the wrong to rally for reports against you, you were also wrong in your assessment of your own behavior.

Wffej: imagine being mad u got carried.

Wffej: enjoy the mute after ur report troll.

Strange how you know that rallying for reports is against the ToS...But don't seem to know that threatening reports is also against the ToS.

Wffej: i wont have to Wffej: riot will. Wffej: sry tried to save the baddie, she got ate tho Wffej: maybe if i didnt get u fed, and fed myself. Wffej: idk why ur cryin Wffej: ur only making this worse on urself.

And the game ended with more flaming, harassment, and general negativity.

...i didnt do anything wrong...

That is not for you to decide, and beyond that, you did do plenty wrong. You spent the vast majority of the match flaming and harassing your ADC, arguing about pointless nonsense, and so on.

...in fact, IM the one who got flammed and trolled and harrassed all game because of the champ i picked...

That doesn't exempt you from the rules. You were no better than the person who flamed you, because you flamed them right back.

...invalid reports or even reports that were made because someone baited (Even if u didnt say or do anything for a validated report) should be able to be challenged and looked into further in cases like this.

Well, that proposal presents a pretty big problem, because...Who's the judge as to what's valid or not? The punished player can't be considered a valid judge, because they're innately biased. No matter what, the punished player will always want to challenge their punishment, because they don't want to be punished.

Your punishment was valid. You flamed and harassed your ADC since the start of the game clear up 'til the end of it, and it doesn't matter who started it. You participated, and you did so eagerly.

i literally got punished for playing nasus support and doing well with it...

Clearly, you didn't, because if you were punished for playing Nasus Support (which would be considered a gameplay offense, hypothetically speaking), you would not have been given chat logs. You'd have been given a link to your match history to indicate that you trolled/intentionally fed.

The fact that you got chat logs is an indication that you were punished not for what you played, but for what you said in the chat.

Kei14312/20/2019, 11:20:50 PM3 votes

Unjustified reports already thrown out.

What you are going through is what we call the "you were at fault but you don't see it" syndrome.

KFCeytron12/20/2019, 9:14:32 PM2 votes

So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area.

Do not respond with misbehavior of your own! If you do that, your teammates may report you, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

The only chat messages included in your chat log are your own for a single, extremely good reason: they are the only ones taken into account for your punishment, because they're the only ones in your control. The things other players said and did in your match might produce in you an impulse to do certain things that may include breaking LoL's rules, but your behavior is your own, and you are responsible for it. If you really think about it, this is a good thing. If a toxic player's goading could exempt you from punishment for your flaming them, calling for reports, etc., then it would logically go the other way as well, resulting in punishments for players who didn't necessarily break any rules but weren't quite as friendly and positive as their teammates. Can you imagine a world where "didn't participate in the dance party and ignored all of our jokes" was a valid report that could get someone suspended for two weeks? We don't want that situation anymore than we want "called our support a braindead waste of space" to be considered an invalid report just because, say, the support was telling their team to harm themselves while they merrily ran it down mid.

Modi12/20/2019, 9:36:53 PM1 votes

This automated system really needs the option to "Challenge" unjustified reports

It's called a support ticket. As Periscope stated, they are the ones who have the ability and authority to review punishments.

Tele II12/20/2019, 10:38:33 PM1 votes

There are no stipulations in the rules that allow you to break them. This means, when you get harassed, you are not allowed to use the chat to harass them back, if that even was the case. It honestly SEEMS like you started the harassment because he briefly disconnected, but that is actually irrelevant anyways, because even if you didnt start it (lets just say you didnt, why not) you still broke the rules by flaming back.

Now can you hit the I understand button? And if not, please explain which part you dont understand. Ill help ya through.

Wffej12/20/2019, 9:11:59 PM1 votes

See, this is my point. nothing is taken into account or context. You spent a significant amount of your chat harassing and insulting a teammate. No, in fact, i got harrassed and flammed from the get go, i simply replied. Very early on you're harassing a player for having AFK'ed and come back Also no, as stated previously, soon as he got in lane he started flaming me. This system is flawed, im right, you're wrong. end of story. nothing you say or do will change my mind on how flawed the automated system is, and how ONLY taking into account what u said (which with no context is EASILY taken out of context.) is a terribly flawed system, and the option to contest these reports needs to be available. i simply DO-NOT care what your logic behind it is, taking others abuse without the ability to defend or stand up for yourself is flawed. period.

At the end of the day, i was there, i know what happened, i know who started the shit, and anything i said was overly tame. thats the main problem here, ZERO context. one sided conversations always look bad, it leaves the mind to fill in the blanks, and with it already looking bad the blanks are going to be filled against you. Its flawed. period.