I was Permanently Banned and now know what to do.

BossLeaderss·3/5/2020, 11:17:20 AM·1 votes·3,785 views
I have been Permanently Banned and don't know what to do.

For those curious, I did some looking and discovered the other toxic individuals in my last game before being permabanned were not punished at all. I lost years of progress, and they got a message saying their behavior was acceptable because the person they targeted with it got banned while they didn't. Why should I feel sorry, or any remorse whatsoever? I don't anymore. At that point I simply realized it doesn't matter and there's no point trying to improve or be a better player. I'll never get what I lost back, so I made a new account, and now I'm currently making a third upon receiving a 14 day suspension. Funnily enough noone I reported in the past week was punished either, but I guess this account is going to be banned for longer than it's existed lol. Each of these punishments have been back-to-back, with Riot seemingly keeping an eye on me following each one so they can slap me with another the same night, and the quality of players I'm being matched with has seen zero improvement whatsoever. In fact it seems I'm being paired with more unhealthy teammates as time goes on, leading to further punishments. I would almost call it entrapment. Whatever the case is, I think RibbyTheButcher was right. Punishments aren't designed for reform, and any desire I had to do so is fleeting because of them. I guess I'm part of the problem now, and I found something lower than Elo Hell. At least I finally understand the people who ruin other's games by smurfing.

Honestly, instead of encouraging me to reform or improve my behavior, I just feel encouraged to find more passive-aggressive ways of being toxic. Apparently these people who don't get punished when I report them despite their toxicity are a thing, so I should just learn how they get away with it. Know thy enemy. Become thy enemy.

24 Comments

Starcraft243ver3/5/2020, 12:03:34 PM6 votes

Punishments aren't designed for reform, and any desire I had to do so is fleeting because of them.

The 14 days ban is designed for reform.

The perma ban is here to tell you to gtfo of this game because you are not welcome anymore. Unfortunately they can't enforce it, but the message is here: Riot do not want to see you on their game.

Umbral Regent3/5/2020, 11:56:16 AM4 votes

...and they got a message saying their behavior was acceptable because the person they targeted with it got banned while they didn't.

No, they didn't. The Instant Feedback Report notification doesn't say anything about the reportee's behavior; just that a person they reported in a given match (which it doesn't specify what player or which match) was punished. It doesn't tell them that their behavior was acceptable.

Funnily enough noone I reported in the past week was punished either...

Just because they didn't get punished doesn't mean your report did nothing. This is really something that a lot of people need to understand - not everything is going to have an immediate, tangible effect, and just because you're not getting pop-ups left and right every time you report someone, that doesn't mean that the IFS isn't working or that Riot doesn't give a shit.

But then, I don't think you'll really care, given that you openly state that you've given up on improving and will continue to be toxic - despite that meaning that none of your accounts will last.

Each of these punishments have been back-to-back, with Riot seemingly keeping an eye on me following each one so they can slap me with another the same night...

...Why should I feel sorry, or any remorse whatsoever? I don't anymore. At that point I simply realized it doesn't matter and there's no point trying to improve or be a better player.

Man, it's almost like if you go out of your way to be toxic, you're much, much more likely to get reliably punished.

You'll have to pardon my sarcasm, but seriously. Of course you're going to get more quickly and reliably punished if you just throw reform out the window. You have zero right to complain about how quickly you're getting punished.

...and the quality of players I'm being matched with has seen zero improvement whatsoever. In fact it seems I'm being paired with more unhealthy teammates as time goes on, leading to further punishments. I would almost call it entrapment.

And your suspicions are incorrect. Riot has openly stated that they're against Prisoner's Island-type systems, so if you're running into toxic players, it is entirely coincidence.

For that matter, it is an unfortunate side-effect of the Free-to-Play model that Riot doesn't have any foolproof way to strictly prevent toxic players from coming back, which tends to result in those baseline MMR's of new accounts being fairly polluted with toxic players.

At the end of the day, if you're feeling "entrapment", it is largely your own fault, since you don't intend to reform, and your continued toxicity will lead to a perpetual cycle of getting banned, making new accounts, and consistently dealing with other toxic players who are doing the exact same thing.

Whatever the case is, I think RibbyTheButcher was right. Punishments aren't designed for reform, and any desire I had to do so is fleeting because of them.

I would take their comment with a grain of salt, given that they make a sweeping generalization of the playerbase in the same breath as they try to criticize the system.

At the same time though, I have to ask; how do you think punishments should provoke reform? At the end of the day, all they can do is place impetus on a player to stop misbehaving and acting out, and even that much can very frequently fail.

Hell, you got permanently banned, and after the 14-day ban, you were explicitly warned that any further misbehavior will result in a permanent suspension of your account. They straight-up told you, "if you break the rules again, you're losing everything" - and you still went ahead and broke the rules. If the threat of losing your account isn't a potent enough trigger for reform, what else could possibly help?

Apparently these people who don't get punished when I report them despite their toxicity are a thing, so I should just learn how they get away with it.

Here's a spoiler alert; they don't. No matter how clever someone thinks they are, how well they think they know the system, they will ultimately get punished. Just because the punishment doesn't happen immediately doesn't mean it will never come, and thinking that you could possibly learn how to be toxic and get away with it is a fool's errand.

Kei1433/5/2020, 12:01:31 PM4 votes

Know thy system, know thy is toxic and not targetting you.

Let's have you understand the behavioral system a bit more. Think of it like a health bar (or tension meter) in music games. When you hit the note at an off beat, your tension meter increases. When you completely miss a note, the meter increases by alot. When you hit the note at good timings, it reduces the meter.

Riot's behavior system works the same way, as in we all have a toxicity meter attached to our accounts. When players are mildly toxic, it goes up a tad. When people use hate speech, it pretty much fills up the meter. of course, clean games reduce the meter.

It is possible for playerA to get punished and playerB not to, even though playerB was waaayyyyy more toxic . Let's say playerA started the game with the toxicity meter at 95% and playerB's at 35%. Ingame, playerB said some pretty nasty shit and playerA responds with some minor shit. After the game, playerA gains 10% toxicity and playerB gains 50%. Now playerA is at 105% toxicity and gets punished, whereas playerB is at 85%, and not punished in that specific game, even though playerB was found to be 5x more toxic than playerA in that game.

Tele II3/5/2020, 10:19:16 PM4 votes

Do what you want man. If you wanna be a passive aggressive little asshole in games, go right ahead. Idk how you could possibly feel good about yourself, but to each their own. Theres lots of passive aggressive people out there with good lives im sure. If thats what you wanna do, do it.

KFCeytron3/5/2020, 1:12:25 PM4 votes

Sounds like Riot is absolutely correct to ban you so quickly.

Sir EatsAlot3/5/2020, 2:10:43 PM3 votes

Oh look another toxic person who plays the victim.

Why is it so hard to undestand that if you are being an ass you will get banned,like others said if you get a 14 days ban is a clear sign that you either need to stop being toxic or you will get banned,you were warned enough times before you got permabanned

BossLeaderss3/6/2020, 4:36:55 PM1 votes

It was never about feeling good for myself. It was about dealing with unpleasant, undesirable people who were simply never dealt with. I made my effort, and had a good almost-decade of playing League. Then it was all gone within the span of a month. Now I have nothing to lose, because what I lost will never come back and I am never investing money in Riot again. I'm a free element with no reason to care and a fresh knife in my back. So, now? Now it's about feeling good. Doing whatever I want is precisely the intention, and the rule enforcement that never helped me is just something to work around while I do it.

On the plus side? I'm actually going to take the 14 days instead of just bypassing it with a new account. I'll make preparations with this new state of mind, and reconsider things now that I have a better view of where everything stands. I'll work up the blue essence to change my name, abandon this mess, and make a new, unpunished one to pick back up with. Honestly, I can't believe I was crying about making mistakes like it was worth anything. I should have never been sorry at all. Remorse is pointless.

lamakisser3/5/2020, 2:18:02 PM1 votes

just stop playing you wont be missed clearly you didnt learn and will continue to be a rude prick wherever you go SO LEAVE

BossLeaderss3/5/2020, 2:58:55 PM1 votes

Weird how the thread where I've become disillusioned with Riot's poor system is the one receiving so much attention, whereas the one where I was genuinely reaching out for help from a place of pain with a firm belief in it and a naive desire to change never received any Specialist commentary. It really went from crickets to airhorns when that blind faith went out the window. This account is probably gone for sure. Punishment tier 3, going to be dropped right back into games with toxic players, and expected to go for roughly a year and a half of consistent play without being reported to lower it? Nah, this one's dead in the water. That might explain why Riot is so adverse to transparency regarding the punishment system. If reform is so important, why is the most information one can gather on restoring account health lodged all the way in forums, and mostly speculation from players at that? Where is Riot themselves to give a clear cut answer explaining how Punishment Tier reversal works? If they have such a foolproof system how come the specifics of how it functions are such esoteric fucking knowledge? It's a poor attempt at being Big Brother is what it is, the vague threat and understanding of a great eye watching you and waiting to exact punishment.

Who even knows how the fuck anyone will educate themselves on this sort of thing when the boards go down.

My only regret is that I like this account name, but I guess I can just sell all my shards and try to get a name change before I ditch it for a completely unpunished one, free up the name for my new main.

Emperør Rhaast3/5/2020, 6:18:41 PM1 votes

Good on you mate. Take action against this horrific system.

SovereignKing3/5/2020, 11:56:16 AM1 votes

Unfortunately, that's the game RIOT always wanted in the end. The punishments are not always warranted, nor are they about reform. And yes, RIOT does "entrap" you in a positive feedback loop of Negative players - creating ELO Hell, as some know it.

Create a new account if you still wish to play, refrain from anything remotely close to toxic, and the grind will be easier. Sucks to lose your stuff, but totally understand how they've influenced and encouraged more passive aggressive behavior on the rift.