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Badluck prematching with toxic peoples.. how do you guys go around it?

Ludicrum·11/2/2019, 3:23:39 PM·4 votes·9,020 views

Hello everyone. I'll start introducing myself as a second-account player. My first account got banned due to my toxic activities, but i turned a new leaf, noticing more enjoyment if i kept my optimistic behavior and getting the same feelings back from other players.

But prematching with players who are toxic is inevitable, and the worst of all is that they come in a lot of different variaties. **My question is: how do you guys get a long with it? **

I experienced a game today as ADC which didn't go well for me... my stats was pretty shit (0/9, but then with 6/10 after winning the game) but i didn't feel humble enough to take the initiative and apologize for it. I implored my support to play more passively because of my stats, but I eventually get flamed outrageously (from all directions) due to my stats. I did try to explain it multiple times, but i was certain that they were toxic. Why? The amount of flying asterisks, the spam alert on every action i made, and to resort to using allchat to report me. I understand that one error on my part was mentioning 1 of the asterisk flamer being a bronze player, which was explainable for his explosive insult (which he in fact was), but shouldn't be a reason for him to explode further on all chat and twist words by saying "he said we're losing, because i'm bronze". In fact, he flamed me saying "it's because u *****ng suck"

Selfdefense is an obvious act when you get attacked, so i had to explain the details why it went bad. It was granted that i must explain why due to my bad stats, but also because the players resorted asking the allchat to report me. So i replied back with: "please mute that guy. he was being toxic to me". I started to question myself whether that remark i made wasn't toxic at all... If my stats weren't bad, then i wouldve stayed quiet (since you wont get in trouble when u get reported), but i felt obliged to respond since my stats were shit. So after i won the game, i honored my jungle whom i thought was being respectable within the game (i even said i honored him because of that) but allas, he flamed in asterisk at me xDD

I understand that staying quiet is a good solution against toxic players... but it felt like this wasnt one of those times... what do you guys think?

16 Comments

Żügżwäng11/2/2019, 6:47:05 PM5 votes

If you sense you're with a premade group, don't engage with them. Often time they will think that since they're within friends, they have the moral support of one another and will flame others. Just do not respond, since often it will just fuel their insecurity further. Let them call you bad, let them blame you, just don't respond since that's what they're fishing for. Report after, and know you won b/c they didn't get a reaction.

Nøctμrne11/2/2019, 6:58:09 PM2 votes

Mute all solves all problems. For me it let's me focus and know who I can and can't gank so I don't get spam pinged for assistance 20 times in 1 minute 4 minutes into the game.

Cind3rkick11/2/2019, 3:26:11 PM2 votes

The second people start getting toxic I mute them.

I may unmute them later if we will need to work as a team to win. But if they cant be bothered being pleasant then I cant be bothered working with them.

Chalze11/2/2019, 6:43:46 PM1 votes

There's many forms of toxicity, but for the most part, the way I deal with toxicity would be to keep in mind a flow of thought: What is my objective? How does my toxic teammates relate to or obstruct said objective? What am I capable of doing to benefit said relation or obstruction to said objective?

Let's run this through your situation.

So you have a shaky stat and people are using it as leverage against constructive strategical suggestions. What is my objective? To strategize toward winning the game. How does my toxic teammates relate to or obstruct said objective? By (whether intentionally or unintentionally) using an unrelated point of vulnerability as justification for dismissing your constructive strategical suggestions. What am I capable of doing to benefit said relation or obstruction to said objective? Well, you want to get a point across and if they're using an unrelated point of vulnerability such as a shaky score as (albeit unrelated) justification as to dismiss you, the fact that they're using unrelated justification would be a form of reply. I would hope to appeal to their ability to reason by pointing out that your score is irrelevant to the constructive strategical suggestion. I mean hell, you could say your score is the reason why you want to bring up more constructive strategical suggestions, because you don't have a great score and that you want to improve upon it or at least to try be of benefit to the team in one way or another. Here's why this works massively in your favor. First of all, this is all doable without needing to reply with toxicity (and thus cannot be liable to being toxic), and the fact that you're presenting very real reasoning, the only way they can refute is by being unreasonable. And the second they become unreasonable, that's entirely on them. They cannot justify themselves further due to the fact that they will need to be unreasonable somehow to refute you.

Here's the catch though. To acknowledge this is to be steadfast in yourself. This won't work if you are easily swayed by social pressure. I don't mean to sound elitist but to a pretty high degree, certainly in game, I am far above the average threshold of withstanding social pressure. I know when I am correct and I know when they are being unreasonable. But, on the flip side, this does also include being shameless in apology too as well if you do happen to be doing particularly badly in a certain game.

However of course, all this centers around you wanting to prove yourself correct and to maintain your sense of self. If all you truly care about is just winning the game, you will have to be unreasonable yourself and cave yourself in to satisfy your toxic teammates' emotions until their hunger for toxicity and emotional catharsis from putting others down is sated. I personally only recommend this if you can handle it or if it doesn't bother you and you're playing ranked, where wins actually matter.

Verxint11/2/2019, 8:14:25 PM1 votes

The problem here is that you attempted to communicate with the beings. This is not advised.

Jennifer1711/2/2019, 8:39:47 PM1 votes

if you know it in champ select: dodge. saves time and energy. if youre alrdy ingame: mute. theres many different types of toxic premades, but in the end you cant win. dont get baited into flame which will get you punished eventually.

Ludicrum11/2/2019, 8:54:57 PM1 votes

Thanks for the responses and ideas guys. i didn't consider muting in general, since most of the flaming comes abruptly.. like a game i just had, the jungler from my team was farming my lane with little hp and ends up dying from lux's ult. He blames me then for not using heal on him. Ends up saying "9x him".

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If you sense you're with a premade group, don't engage with them. Often time they will think that since they're within friends, they have the moral support of one another and will flame others. Just do not respond, since often it will just fuel their insecurity further. Let them call you bad, let them blame you, just don't respond since that's what they're fishing for. Report after, and know you won b/c they didn't get a reaction.

Ok. I end up getting muted for 10 games after that particular game which i mentioned above. Out of the two games which got recorded, it was also coincidently due to a premade group which started flaming before the minions even spawned (succesful enemy invasion). This is funny, because i've been getting a system thankyou message every single day after doing what you said (the last one being yesterday).

What the two games do have in common tho, is that i mightve end up talking too much (since i was the victim) because i answered pretty much every nonsense which were directed at me xD (i know it's my fault) but other than the volume of messages ive given, yeah the manner i talked in the second game couldve been seen as offensive, by saying stuff like that my support was bad because of his bad pulls.

but yeah. to be honest, i'm not sure what's worse atm. league's backyard community, or how injustice the system is working. i'm strongly starting to believe that the latter is worse because it's making me question whether my moral belief is correct or not... I've been watching a lot of lck/lcs matches recently, so wanting to understand and grow your abilities might be the reason why i want to interract and learn from others. It seems that the system is telling me that this is wrong. Assuming you're in selfdefense (which should be morally correct, even by law) it'll be defaulted by the LoL system as incorrect. Hey, perhaps that's how/where the backyard community springs forward?

Sorry for the ranting. I guess i'm just preparing myself to uninstall the game and move on, after the 'lost all honor levels' message. If something like this happened in real life, a company would apologize for their mistake, but it feels like we're all accounted for what we do, even tho it's not entirely our fault. The LoL community is notorious for a reason, right?

Yin Yang Taoist11/3/2019, 10:54:04 PM1 votes

I mute chat and play.

Doofy The Yam11/7/2019, 6:52:53 PM1 votes

You just take the L bro. Mute all. The game innately doesnt want you to have fun.

Skt T1 Deadproof11/10/2019, 1:48:59 AM1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/IOoxkGks-kind-of-premadepeople-that-gets-you-banned

Aatrox Eichmann11/2/2019, 4:55:09 PM1 votes

take note of the exceptionally toxic players and avoid playing during the times you know they'll be active. those people play with a schedule in mind and if you can avoid that timezone youre basically playing hidenseek with them.

MeesterMo11/2/2019, 5:57:57 PM1 votes

Honestly coming here is very cathartic. Between matches with toxic people I refresh the board and laugh and laugh and laugh at the people getting permabanned, then I'm cool playing a little more because I know that toxic people are playing a risky game. I have a dream that one day I'll report someone and they'll end up here, going full sicko mode on the boards. Other, longer-term players will have better in-game tips, but don't forget to get some yucks at the toxic bozos expense here.