My clean past is Meaningless

Deceivery·2/11/2019, 6:13:02 PM·4 votes·2,514 views

So i've been playing the game since season 4 have had zero punishments in 4,5,6 & 7 during season 8 it was a rough year as a whole had a bunch of life issues but we aren't going to get into that i am just confused why riot doesn't just forgive my one toxic season after 4 seasons of being perfectly non toxic.

4 clean seasons + 1 toxic season = permabanned which to me is a little messed up.

Also on a different note why is human emotion and context not taken into account when giving out punishments? I understand that anyone could just say that they weren't having the best life right now but riot needs to realize that in a competitive setting people are going to get heated and mad at people under preforming.Then we come to the issue of context when some ints my lane and i say wtf why am i the bad guy when chat can be muted but you can't do anything about inting except report after the fact.

35 Comments

Jo0o2/11/2019, 6:16:51 PM18 votes

I mean, I’ve been a clean driver for over a decade, but if I get 2-3 DUIs in 2019 I’m probably getting my license revoked.

GatekeeperTDS2/11/2019, 6:24:38 PM6 votes

Hey, what a concept.

I've never punched someone in the face in my life, but I definitely shouldn't get charged with assault if I ever do.

Apriccot2/12/2019, 2:29:05 AM5 votes

I feel your pain but don't bother coming to these boards for sympathy. There's simply too many people who don't understand where you or I are coming from. They think their jedi level control of their emotions makes them better than us (exemplified by how many of these comments are flaming you + the downvotes) for expressing emotionality in our games, although most of them don't play ranked games so they couldn't possibly understand how toxic league truly is and that the bot run discipline system is actually working omegalul the only thing it does right is fatten monthly revenues.

Kei1432/11/2019, 6:30:48 PM4 votes

The system punishes based on consistency x severity.

So if you've gotten a spike in your frequency of toxicity, it will ding you. Your past good behavior does mean something, but it won't shield you forever.

ModPeriscope2/11/2019, 6:38:02 PM4 votes

Sorry you were permabanned, but I wouldn't expect any leniency my way if I were punished.

Stars Shaper2/11/2019, 8:07:35 PM4 votes

Try to defend yourself in a tribunal saying: "Hey, I didn't kill any1 for over 20 years and therefore I shouldn't be imprisoned"

Umbral Regent2/11/2019, 9:39:05 PM4 votes

So i've been playing the game since season 4 have had zero punishments in 4,5,6 & 7 during season 8 it was a rough year as a whole had a bunch of life issues but we aren't going to get into that i am just confused why riot doesn't just forgive my one toxic season after 4 seasons of being perfectly non toxic.

4 clean seasons + 1 toxic season = permabanned which to me is a little messed up.

The odds of you having been perfectly non-toxic across four seasons is probably lower than you think - everyone has had off-days, and everyone, even those like me who have no punishment history on their account, have doubtless had a few matches where a valid report was filed against them.

That aside, why should Riot forgive one toxic season on account of four seasons of no apparent toxicity? If you're being toxic across a whole season, that is a problem. And on top of that, having four seasons of no punishment/apparent toxicity should not serve as a mitigating factor for valid punishments - it should only serve to set the expectation of your behavior.

If you weren't toxic/weren't punished across four seasons, then you're expected to keep that behavior up and not be toxic in the fifth. It doesn't change whether or not you do misbehave, and it definitely doesn't change whether or not you get punished for misbehaving.

For you to have gotten permabanned, you had to have been consistently negative despite multiple warnings against it, one of which actively tells you "your next punishment will be a permanent ban."

That kind of consistent misbehavior should always and will always warrant punishment, regardless of any previous seasons where you weren't punished.

Also on a different note why is human emotion and context not taken into account when giving out punishments?

Because you're expected to not be toxic, regardless of how angry you are and regardless of what other people are doing. Everyone is held to the same rules, no exceptions.

If you have anger issues, you learn to control it. Self-restraint is a necessity.

If other people are misbehaving, then they'll get their dues - you taking that as a cue that somehow, you should be allowed to break the rules yourself, only serves to put you at risk of punishment yourself. The rules don't magically stop applying if someone else is misbehaving.

At the end of the day, emotion and context are disregarded for delivering punishments because you alone control what you say and do. If you let your anger get the better of you, you'll get punished. If you react negatively to someone else - regardless of their actions - you get punished.

I understand that anyone could just say that they weren't having the best life right now but riot needs to realize that in a competitive setting people are going to get heated and mad at people under preforming.

And those players getting mad need to realize that in a competitive setting, letting that vitriol out and harassing teammates isn't going to magically make them win.

In physical sports, there are punishments for misbehavior and team in-fighting. People get fined, redmarked, denied participation, kicked off teams - so there's no excuse for that kind of misbehavior to be allowed in E-Sports. If you want to play League competitively, you're expected to treat it competitively.

And that means not flaming your teammates. Period.

Then we come to the issue of context when some ints my lane and i say wtf why am i the bad guy when chat can be muted but you can't do anything about inting except report after the fact.

Does responding to an intentional feeder make them stop? Does it somehow cause the enemy to int deaths to you to balance things out? Does reacting negatively to the feeder help in any way, shape, or form?

If not, then I have to ask, why even bother responding to the feeder if it accomplishes nothing?

Unker1392/11/2019, 6:23:15 PM4 votes

If you are on the receiving end of toxicity, can you tell the difference between a regularly toxic person and someone having a bad day and/or season?

Do you care either way if your game was ruined because of it?

What is the acceptable line? You were fine for 4 seasons. Does that mean you can you should be able so say anything you want to anyone for a year with no repercussions, or does it need to be longer?

zPOOPz2/11/2019, 6:23:19 PM4 votes

Well yeah. If you had been a good employee for years, one racist comment can still get you fired.

Deceivery2/11/2019, 7:46:08 PM3 votes

To everyone bring up real life situations, your statements themselves might be true but they are out of context and irrelevant when talking about in game punishment and in game chat.

Dr Birdie2/12/2019, 8:10:11 PM2 votes

If you go to Walmart a thousand times without stealing. But then one day you do steal something and you get caught, you're still going to get punished.

Following the rules for a long time doesn't give you the right to start breaking them.

floo2/12/2019, 11:03:37 AM1 votes

If a football player behaves like shit after a decade of a clean career, he'll get kicked too. Competitive environment, doesnt matter if it was retaliation etc.