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Quick poll: should unintentional dying be counted as "inting"(with these parameters)

Arcade Andrew·9/10/2017, 6:04:51 PM·2 votes·873 views

So as a start, we all know that intentionally feeding is dying with the intent to die, because you're trolling and give up on the game, and if reprted for it and riot can detect that it is true "inting" you get punished. HOWEVER I wanted to run a quick poll on people opinions of also including this type of behavior as inting aswell:

A game starts, a single player decides to solo invade, and his or her entire team ping/tell the player to not do that because they know the player might die. The player ignores the warnings and goes in anyways NOT HAVING THE PREMISE TO DIE but died anyways giving up first blood.

this same player continually does the same behavior of going places/chasing kills/being in places that get him killed without him intentionally wanting to die, but he is there despite his or her team saying to not be at a place or not chase down a kill.

the player ends up have a score thats pretty bad of like 0/5 or more and doesnt offer any help to the team but just continually dies by playing stupidly despite their team trying to help him

Should the above be considered "inting" and be punished accordingly? I personally feel like, even though they dont do things with the premise of dying (IE running down mid lane till you die) they are still Inting, by continually ignoring their team and dying because of it, by being in places that they know they most likely will die in.

Only constructive thoughts and comments, and actually vote in the poll, dont just slurry this with upvotes or downvotes with nothing constructive to say

29 Comments

DrCyanide9/10/2017, 6:11:24 PM9 votes

Ignoring teammates and trying to make plays that don't pan out does not mean they're intentionally trying to give gold to the enemy team.

"Feeding" is not the report category. "Being stupid" is not the report category. "Intentional Feeding" is the report category.

Chermorg9/10/2017, 6:09:58 PM7 votes

Playing stupidly and having an "I can do anything" attitude doesn't make it intentional feeding.

archerno19/10/2017, 7:24:51 PM4 votes

Ofc not. Making bad decisions is normal thing in a PVP video game.

Silent Gravity9/10/2017, 8:52:59 PM4 votes

Sometimes deaths happen because of a disagreement in priorities instead of a given priority being mistaken.

Imagine that in a specific scenario, contesting baron would be a good idea. The opponents used their ults recently and are at low mana. They decided to rush a warded baron. There is plenty of time to see them walking to it. Your side lanes are all in good positions. No drake is available. All the red/blue buffs are taken. Your team is up in levels and items.

If the tank of your comp decides that it's a bad idea and wanders off, your team may lose the fight, proving that it was a bad idea to contest baron. If the CC of your comp decides that it's a bad idea and wanders off, your team may lose the fight, proving that it was a bad idea to contest baron. If your ADC decides that it's a bad idea and wanders off, your team may lose the fight, proving that it was a bad idea to contest baron.

Who is at fault? The one who made the call to contest baron? The ones who followed the call to contest baron? The one who didn't want to contest baron?

You can't punish differences in decision making. The people who tend to make good decisions will tend to rise in rank. The people who tend to make bad decisions will tend to drop in rank.

Once a Shaco invaded a Sejuani jg early. One teammate pings for the Sejuani to retreat. That would have saved the life of the Sej, but put her far behind. Fighting against a Shaco would result in death. Neither good choices. Another teammate collapsed on the Shaco and killed him for first blood.

Supporting your team and working together works wonders.

There are times, often, where someone is making bad decisions where trying to assist them would result in a much quicker loss. Those aren't fun. Focus on the winning lanes. Rotate around where you're strong. Lose gracefully.

You have a 0/6/0 game in your records. You're petitioning for punishment to begin at 0/5 (and didn't mention assists at all). Gameplay related punishments start at a 14 day ban. If you're sure that you want a 14 day ban, so that any other infraction causes a permanent ban, I'll be willing to discuss this more.

Beas7ie9/11/2017, 12:54:54 AM3 votes

It depends on the player level. If they're new players, then that's not really inting.

If they're level 30 even in low Bronze elo they should at least understand the basics such as not feeding over and over, don't go into the enemy jungle alone without vision yadda yadda. If they are level 30 and playing then that is ABSOLUTELY inting in my book. By now they should understand the basics and how to play safe, ESPECIALLY if they are outright ignoring warnings and pings from teammates and still doing the same crap over and over.

At that point I would heavily suspect them of trying to be a "smart troll" and sneakily trying to fuck up games. Still don't rage at them or go "Report X feed" if that happens, but I would report them at the end of game and explain the circumstances.

OnlyYouCanHearMe9/10/2017, 6:27:14 PM3 votes

Well, I voted yes, but there's a caveat to my vote. At higher ranks, this is 100% inting. Those players should know better than to put themselves in that sort of situation to continually die. But at lower ranks, and especially with newer players, they simply don't have the game knowledge yet to know what they are capable of getting away with without dying. So for them, I wouldn't necessarily consider it to be intentionally feeding, so much as just having an overall lower skill level. And Riot doesn't punish people for being bad at the game.

Part of learning what a champion is capable of doing is trying and failing, which means sometimes people are going to die in stupid ways. Part of learning how to counter jungle is invading, and sometimes you are going to invade solo and die. It's all just part of learning the game at the lower ranks, and in normal matches, so for those, we shouldn't judge too harshly. Especially in normal matches. But for me personally, once I see that a player is gold or higher, I tend to be less forgiving of repeated stupid mistakes. I expect those players to have a decent idea of how to play the game, and if they keep making the same exact mistakes and feeding kills, despite being told how to prevent those deaths, then yes, I consider that to be intentionally feeding. Especially if the mistakes are based around general game knowledge, and not champions-specific mechanics. I can forgive someone for not being able to do a perfect Azir combination, or missing a Lee Sin Insec combo, but if my mid laner flashes under the enemy turret 3 times with 10 hp to try and auto the enemy who has 200 hp, I'm not going to be so forgiving. I don't expect perfect plays, just common sense and teamwork.

ModDaenrysTargaryen9/10/2017, 6:06:46 PM2 votes

well it sounds like inting to me.

Zar Gol9/11/2017, 12:26:38 AM1 votes

If they are constantly trying to 1v2 when they are not fed at all I would probably report them if they did it over 5 times. It's one thing to make a bad play, but that is basically suicide early game/ if you're not fed enough. Same thing if they are turret diving unnecessarily (like an enemy still has half hp or more and they still attempt to dive for it). It's hard to determine unless you're actually in the game though, I would only report if they don't stop doing that all game.