Off meta play is de facto bannable

Karunamon··2 votes·1,171 views
14 day ban because playing Nunu Support with Smite is "stealing other people's roles"...?

Please examine the red responses in the linked thread before continuing. And please realize this is not a statement of how the game should be, rather it's a statement of how the game is given a number of official statements.

My read on this is that we now have enforced meta, not by a single policy, not by a declaration by Riot, but by a confluence of other policies and realities with how most people play the game.

Pay specific attention to this quote: > {quoted} > Winning is not the end all be all of League. We want players to have fun but not at the expense of teammates. Ideally this means players will coordinate among themselves in a given match and react to the unique circumstances they end up in. If a player is consistently forcing “their vision” on the rest of the team and refusing to adapt to their needs we reserve the right to intervene.

I'll not comment on the strangeness of "the team's needs" not equating to "winning the game" - that's not what I want to focus on here.

We can glean these three pieces of information from that thread:

  • Given: You are to seek teammate consensus if you have a "strange" play style.
  • Given: Informing your teammates of what you are doing, even throughly and nicely, is not good enough.
  • Given: Even if successful, if it annoys other people, it's still not good enough.

These were all directly stated.

And now one assertion of my own:

  • Given: Most people are going to play "the meta", since most people are getting their information from community sites like Lolking, Mobafire, and so on - outfits where people post guides, analyze high level play.

This leads us to an inescapable conclusion:

  • Therefore: If you don't play the way the rest of your team wants you to play, no matter how nice you are about it, or how effective you are, you will get the item 3133 dropped on you.

Now extend this out to something besides simple role selection. Some hypotheticals:

  • Teemo main? Not any more you're not.
  • Choose something "off" to counteract a flavor-of-the-week pick that's a poor matchup against the enemy team comp? You better not.

.. not unless you like the taste of cherry-flavored summoner 11 that is.

Put another way: Riot claims that off meta play is not bannable, but if you have to ask permission first, you're never going to get to play off meta, which is indistinguishable from it being bannable.

If that's how they want to structure the game - fine - we can all adapt. But someone needs to retract that FAQ about offmeta being bannable. It is, and has been proven to be, and will lead people to making decisions that put their account at risk.

13 Comments

Deep Terror Nami6 votes

They are reevaluating their policy regarding situations like this, and will make an announcement shortly and update their support articles to reflect this. It's easy to take what they are saying out of context, I recommend waiting for their official followup.

Karunamon1 votes

I don't think anything was taken out of context here. For a red response, this one was pretty direct and to the point (minus the wishy washy bits about "reevaluating their policy").

So long as what we were told by WC in that thread holds, my evaluation remains true. Any policy changes that don't have the immediate effect of making reports for "didn't play the way I wanted them to" invalid doesn't really help much.

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

When I say "taken out of context", what I really mean to say is "Everybody that plays off-meta now thinks they might get banned when that isn't how it works" and "People that want to troll think they can get away with it because of this precedent where his ban was removed".

For the most part, the uproar about the Singed and Nunu bans are people making a mountain out of a molehill. However, Riot has still decided a more official clarification and evaluation of the rules is necessary (that isn't 'wishy washy', they have made multiple posts concerning plans to do this).

Edit;

{quoted}

We're working on drafting revised policies and approaches at the moment. Not sure exactly when that stuff will be ready to share widely, it's underway at present though.

Also for anyone unaware we took that Smite Nunu player's ban off last week rather than letting it run its course since we didn't feel our different values matched up well enough with each other or had been expressed well enough.

Dynikus3 votes

You're confusing simply picking an off meta champion in a role with not playing the role you're assigned. Teemo top played in the top lane is off meta and not punishable at all. Nunu/Singed support played as a double jungle, leaving the adc 1v2 is a problem.

hshtagniemehrcdu1 votes

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You're confusing simply picking an off meta champion in a role with not playing the role you're assigned. Teemo top played in the top lane is off meta and not punishable at all. Nunu/Singed support played as a double jungle, leaving the adc 1v2 is a problem.

Talking about "out of context": Simply calling it "double jungle" is exactly that. It is not double jungle, it is counter-jungle god damnit.

And as long as this is a viable strategy, it shouldnt be a problem. If you are strong in one part of the map you are weak in another. If you havent grasped this concept, then i dont know why you play league at all. The adc can be happy if he plays well 2v1, as his team gets a huge advantage out of it. The only problem is that some people get pissed with no valid reason at all. The only "argument" is "we've always done it like that" and "we don't know the most basic league concepts".

With people thinking like you a few years back, it would still be double top and the jungler role wouldn't exist.

And, it is not a small matter. If i can get banned for choosing a viable strategy simply because my mates dont like it, then this is a huge swing in riot banning policy. Playing to please the teammates wishes instead of playing for the win. with their previous arguments i coud banned for placing deep wards and ganking mid as supp janna. Both very effective, but some morons have a problem with even a minute alone bot.

Dynikus5 votes

It is not double jungle, it is counter-jungle god damnit.

That's something that the jungler normal does. You have two people jungling, thus double jungle.

The adc can be happy if he plays well 2v1, as his team gets a huge advantage out of it.

And that's fine, that's why you make sure the adc is fine with doing it first. If he is, go ahead and double jungle.

The only problem is that some people get pissed with no valid reason at all.

Being abandoned and basically not being able to play for the entirety of the laning phase, if not the entire game, is a pretty valid reason to be pissed.

With people thinking like you a few years back, it would still be double top and the jungler role wouldn't exist.

Not really. The meta was never 2 top, 1 mid, 2 bot, because back then there really wasn't a known meta. People did it (and still do in pre 30 games), but you're mistaken if you think no one played jungle back then.

hshtagniemehrcdu1 votes

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That's something that the jungler normal does. You have two people jungling, thus double jungle.

No, the jungler does not normally spend most of his time farming the enemy jungle. You imply that the nunu simply fought his own junglers over his camps, which is simply wrong.

And that's fine, that's why you make sure the adc is fine with doing it first. If he is, go ahead and double jungle.

No one is ever fine with non-meta. They can't judge its effectivness beforehand, but they can judge the normal meta. 2nd, non-meta is often abused by real trolls. Thats why you will almost never get the consent of your mates.

If you make this dependent on the consent of your teammates, it is forbiiden in soloq. Further, if you need the consent of your mates, you say that it is inherently toxic = trolling.

Being abandoned and basically not being able to play for the entirety of the laning phase, if not the entire game, is a pretty valid reason to be pissed.

It is a pretty valid reason to search a new game. Giving up something on one part to gain more on the other is the essence of league play. If you have a problem with that you picked the wrong game. There are a lot of champs tht can farm very well from the distance and under the tower, easily holding them off, while your team gets an advantage. You are very well able to play the game, just not in the normal way. It is a pretty extreme exxageration from you.

Also, have you ever roamed as a support or palyed vs a roaming support? The opposing supp very often is forced to follow if they can't get a real big advantage real fast, else pushing the lane is pretty useless, especially against some champs that can clear fast.

Not really. The meta was never 2 top, 1 mid, 2 bot, because back then there really wasn't a known meta. People did it (and still do in pre 30 games), but you're mistaken if you think no one played jungle back then.

Duo top was pretty much the standart. And what i said, still stands. Everyone thinking like you, and all the junglers wouldve been banned, for causing such am inncredible toxic experience for those that were 2v1.

With the ban, your teammates are free to bully you into suboptimal decisions, if they like them better. Every step you make, you need the consent of your mates, or it is potentially bannable.

Nik Nikerson2 votes

Didn't they unban the guy?

Karunamon1 votes

It appears so, but that amounts to a one off exception rather than a revision of the rules.

Dynikus7 votes

you realize this entire case was a one off exception, right?

Nik Nikerson1 votes

Oh so they've banned other people for the same thing since then?

Kei1431 votes

they are looking to update their policy when it comes to these super rare 1 trick pony off meta strats.

Ratpocalypse1 votes

Sad that you can be banned when "Support" role doesn't say "Support Bot Lane" in theory you should be able to Support from the Top, Mid, Jungle, OR Bot.

Also I don't understand how your teammates also aren't banned for refusing to communicate with you as they are clearly communicating(raging/whining) AT you.

Why are the allowed to enjoy themselves at your expense?

In the video linked below you can see if you get random teammates that communicate with you instead of at you then you can have fun various strategies that will prolong the longevity of the games life cycle.

https://youtu.be/n4-jZylsbRE

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