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So about bringing back the Tribunal....

Kasiri·5/24/2019, 1:19:13 AM·1 votes·1,838 views
Upgrading the Tribunal | League of Legends

Hey everyone ,

after reading through a couple of threads about the Tribunal and seeing many good arguments as to why the new IFS is a good replacement for what the Tribunal was originally intended to do I would tend to agree , however , I would like to introduce a different vision for what the Tribunal could be in it's return a new Identity.

In one of the threads I saw someone talk about CS:GO's Overwatch system to identify hackers etc.

I would like to see the Tribunal take a similar approach. Instead of judging player's chat behavior and punish them based on that , give the "judges" game footage and make them determine rather or not someone is actively sabotaging the game by trolling etc.

Before everyone jumps the fence and says how easy that system could be abused or misused , I have a couple of ideas how to limit those errors.

  1. Just like the old Tribunal , give "Judges" a rating , an experienced judges vote will count more than a fresh-ling ones.

  2. To avoid people from different skill groups , misjudging someones in-game ability , either expose their Rank(just like in CS:GO) or , restrict the cases to those of similar Rank , who should be able to identify if someone is playing to standards or not.

  3. There has to be an automated system that identifies potential grievers. If memory serves , the old Tribunal would only open a case for a player if that player had multiple games where they got Reported beforehand. Do the same with this version of it. Only after being selected by an automated system do those cases open to the Tribunal.

These changes could give the Tribunal a purpose again , since the old one is certainly more than well replaced by the IFS.

I'm very excited to hear about everyone's feedback!

I'm happy to go into detail and Brainstorm over more ideas or to refine in detail.

6 Comments

rujitra5/24/2019, 1:37:04 AM5 votes

I would like to see the Tribunal take a similar approach. Instead of judging player's chat behavior and punish them based on that , give the "judges" game footage and make them determine rather or not someone is actively sabotaging the game by trolling etc.

To put it quite bluntly, the League of Legends community has shown time and time again they cannot be trusted to accurately punish intentionally feeding while not punishing innocent players.

To avoid people from different skill groups , misjudging someones in-game ability , either expose their Rank(just like in CS:GO) or , restrict the cases to those of similar Rank , who should be able to identify if someone is playing to standards or not.

Someone's rank does not mean they are intentionally feeding or not. Their intent does. A Diamond player can have a bad game, go 0/12, and die multiple times far out in lane, but not be intentionally feeding. Similarly, a Bronze player can do anything and be intentionally feeding/not - based on their intent.

There has to be an automated system that identifies potential grievers. If memory serves , the old Tribunal would only open a case for a player if that player had multiple games where they got Reported beforehand. Do the same with this version of it. Only after being selected by an automated system do those cases open to the Tribunal.

Why can they not simply do what they do now - automatically punish those that are clear/obvious, and send others to manual review if the system determines one necessary? Why does the community who thinks everything is trolling/griefing be allowed to punish innocent players instead of someone who works for Riot?

I'd like to add you didn't even begin to gloss over the end reason Tribunal was removed - while it was incredibly accurate, an automated system is even more so for chat offenses, in that it will always punish the same log the same way and punish similar behaviors similarly. Further, the Tribunal took months sometimes for cases to get reviewed because it was incredibly backlogged - adding more requirements onto it won't help this backlog any.

FOR JUSTICE5/24/2019, 1:29:55 AM1 votes

this doesn't solve one of the main problems with tribunal though, which was how long it took to actually punish anyone. secondly inting and having a bad game are decently indistinguishable to a robot because to detect this requires common sense and game intuition, which a bot doesn't reliably have.