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Permanent account suspensions

High Af Koko·7/24/2019, 7:50:51 PM·1 votes·1,908 views

Hey there, i'm leaving this here to see if there is anyone who agrees with me on the matter.

The Player Behavior penalty system is well known by most of us.

It goes as follows:

10 games 25 games 2 weeks Permanent suspension

Now most of us can see tha pattern here as the chat restrictions are meant to serve as a warning while restricting you from causing anymore harm to other players.

The 2 weeks suspension is a final warning of some sort that is meant to give you a taste of what not having your account feels like and give you time to rethink your situation.

in my humble opinion however people wont improve their behavior in two weeks as long as there is someone who is upset from a previous game and decides to provoke you with their actions or what they say It's very easy to throw you off and make you curse at them or other players who did or did not deserve such it.

In my case i needed well over a year to grow out of that mindset where I would stand for myself and just ignore people who tend to engage inappropriately thinking to myself that they'll get punished for their actions regardless and I don't need to say anything. Now there are still times when I get people trolling in games because they are upset or cursing at everyone in more than just a couple of games in a row, in such situations i find it best to just give myself a break and stray away from the game for a while. It's no secret to anyone that regardless of the various punishments the community is still far from great and that's to be expected given the amount of players.

Therefore I propose some sort of a reform program or test that could give you an option to recover your account if you pass. Now i don't see myself as a person fit to judge under what circumstances you'd be eligible to regain access to your account so i don't have a balanced system in mind for this but Im sure one could be constructed. Whether you regain access to your account with a very strict behavior monitoring or you're only eligible to apply for the program after a good year or two have passed to even have a chance to prove yourself worthy.

If there is anyone else who agrees with the idea and has any suggestions about my proposal feel free to share them here.

Best regards,

13 Comments

rujitra7/24/2019, 7:57:52 PM3 votes

The goal of the two week ban is not for players to use those two weeks to improve - they’re taking a break from the game. The goal of the 2 week ban is as the final “sticker shock” that Riot is serious about punishing players up to and including a permanent suspension. If players didn’t take the risk of a permanent ban seriously until the 2 week ban, and thus they have not been working on their behavior, that is their problem.

Riot had more punishment tiers before - but the reform rate goes down greatly the higher the tier of punishment. As one example, according to a now inaccessible post by Riot Tantram, a little less than 20% of players get a chat restriction at some time during their League career. Only 0.006% of players get a permanent ban. The goal of the punishment system prior to a permanent ban is to get a player to reform. The goal of the permanent ban is to remove the player from the game. Another experiment Riot has done now twice on the NA server unbanning permanently banned accounts (or having the “level 20 challenge” from waaaaaaay back) did not display the idea that you are suggesting that players would have reformed in significant amounts.

While I am happy that you no longer have the attitude/mindset that is toxic to those around you, the unfortunate fact is that if you were not permanently banned, it is very close to certain that you would not have actually continued to try to reform. Furthermore, if there were some sort of “reform” program to get your old account back, there would be no weight to a permanent ban - even less weight than the 2 week ban - as you would have to make a new account which you could instantly play on until you earned your old account back, then resume where you left off as if nothing happened. Such a program doesn’t meet the goal of removing toxic players who refuse to reform from the game.

GatekeeperTDS7/24/2019, 8:03:58 PM2 votes

Therefore I propose some sort of a reform program or test that could give you an option to recover your account if you pass.

You had chances to reform. Many.

decides to provoke you with their actions

Full. Fucking. Stop.

You are responsible for your own actions and reactions. Do not fight with people. Do not argue with people. Do not flame them back.

Enough of this people not taking responsibility for their own actions.

KFCeytron7/24/2019, 8:23:16 PM1 votes

Riot tried, multiple times. It was a huge waste of time and resources that accomplished nothing but providing an opportunity for toxic players to keep driving away other players.

ModThe Djinn7/24/2019, 9:08:29 PM1 votes

The idea of a reform test is a good idea worth exploring. There is just one problem with it.

The problem is that it's such a good idea that Riot has tried it. At least twice. We know that once it proved to be a massive failure with a very low success rate, and the second time we have not heard anything about a decision to change the policy or reinstitute such an approach, which leads me to believe that the success rate there was equally small.

When you have something that requires a lot of manual effort and encourages banned players to keep playing the game, it is not worth implementing unless it is successful in a majority of cases.