How do I deal with teammates who give up at winning?

Mr Steal Yo ßlue·Mar 17, 2017·2 votes·4,387 views

This is a repost. I first posted this on Miscellaneous. Thanks for your comments. :)

So I've been starting to play ranked more recently now so naturally, I'm in the bronze/silver Elo. The players I pair up with however always choose to give up so easily. For one they are always toxic. Whether someone is putting me down or putting another player down I see it going on in every game. I always try to resolve the conflict by saying things like "Don't argue guys. We can win if we work together", "Arguing won't help (champ) play any better", or "Woah there (champ that is flaming) you're being kinda hostile. let's try to work together so we can win this :D" but 9/10 times it won't work.

Along with that matter, my team is always filled with people who give up. They don't understand the fact that we're in bronze/silver Elo, and there are throws. They think that just because top lane fed, or "bot lane is useless" we will lose. 1st of all, nobody is useless unless they're AFK. 2nd if we just help them farm up and get some kills maybe tey won't be "useless". And if one lane fed it's not the end of the world. Just help that lane out. work together to kill the fed opponent. And then they just start to spam the chat with, stuff like "oh its gg" "we can't win" "just surrender". I try to motivate my team but it just doesn't work. It's almost as if they don't want to win.

I'm not mad that people do bad or make mistakes. And I'm not saying I'm amazing at this game. I just hate the mindset of these people who think that 1)flaming will make the ally better, and help win the game and 2) that giving up will raise their Elo. Thank you to anyone that puts in the time to give me suggestions.

Also, any suggestions you would give to a new player starting rank would be appreciative. Thanks :D

19 Comments

hater free zoneMar 17, 20175 votes

There really isn't anything you can do about it other than report them after the game. It really is demoralizing when you're trying to climb the ladder but you're not good enough to solo carry yourself out of low elo. I believe a big part of learning the game is learning how to cope with difficult situations, which is lost on a lot of low elo players. It's not really anything you can teach other people, especially if these people are easily frustrated.

Personally I think the elo system in LoL is incredibly flawed. It was designed for individual players playing 1v1 games against each other. What League of Legends have effectively done is take a ranking system based on personal ability and forced it to apply to 5v5 scenarios, effectively diluting an individuals core ability to play among 4 other people, AGAINST 4 extra opponents. I digress though, that's a whole different discussion.

The best you can do is learn to solo carry yourself out of low elo, or just develop an incredible tolerance to defeatist attitudes.

Mr Steal Yo ßlueMar 17, 20171 votes

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There really isn't anything you can do about it other than report them after the game. It really is demoralizing when you're trying to climb the ladder but you're not good enough to solo carry yourself out of low elo. I believe a big part of learning the game is learning how to cope with difficult situations, which is lost on a lot of low elo players. It's not really anything you can teach other people, especially if these people are easily frustrated.

Personally I think the elo system in LoL is incredibly flawed. It was designed for individual players playing 1v1 games against each other. What League of Legends have effectively done is take a ranking system based on personal ability and forced it to apply to 5v5 scenarios, effectively diluting an individuals core ability to play among 4 other people, AGAINST 4 extra opponents. I digress though, that's a whole different discussion.

The best you can do is learn to solo carry yourself out of low elo, or just develop an incredible tolerance to defeatist attitudes.

Thanks for the advice. :) Do you have any tips on learning to solo carry? Or would practice be the only way? Also, Is it the same thing even in higher Elo's?

hater free zoneMar 18, 20172 votes

Solo carrying is what people who are genuinely good at the game do. High elo people can carry themselves out of bronze-gold and probably even plat in less than a week. They generally have a higher understanding of mechanics, interactions and how much damage they are expected to give and receive in any given situation.

Personally, the highest I could ever reach myself is gold and it's certainly not because of my mechanical or technical ability. My personal biggest strength when I play the game is my overall awareness and ability to read the map. That can only get me so far. If I actually had the 'skill' to go with that, I could climb higher.

If you want to practice, you have to do more than just play the game. You have to actually learn the game and do routine exercises. That's not an absolute, as a lot of people tend to just be naturally skilled at pc games overall, but for other's, practicing the game is like practicing any other sport.

Mr Steal Yo ßlueMar 19, 20171 votes

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Solo carrying is what people who are genuinely good at the game do. High elo people can carry themselves out of bronze-gold and probably even plat in less than a week. They generally have a higher understanding of mechanics, interactions and how much damage they are expected to give and receive in any given situation.

Personally, the highest I could ever reach myself is gold and it's certainly not because of my mechanical or technical ability. My personal biggest strength when I play the game is my overall awareness and ability to read the map. That can only get me so far. If I actually had the 'skill' to go with that, I could climb higher.

If you want to practice, you have to do more than just play the game. You have to actually learn the game and do routine exercises. That's not an absolute, as a lot of people tend to just be naturally skilled at pc games overall, but for other's, practicing the game is like practicing any other sport.

Thanks! I'll take all of this into account. Have a great day and hopefully, I'll be able to see you on the rift in my ranked games pretty soon :D Later.

il Dio BronzoOct 6, 20172 votes

Thank you very much for your post, Research%%%%Gate (thou your name's kinda disturbing XD). I agree with your "design" analysis (LoL is designed as a 1vs1 game but usually played with 3 or 4 strangers, against other 5 strangers) and I think that your hint about learning to cope with toxic or trolling or demotivated players is the most valid hint one could give to people having troubles with League of Legends. I found it very psychologically comforting and it helped me a lot. We just have to learn to be very patient.

Thanks.

DamagefoxMar 17, 20174 votes

Let me put it this way. I DO give up, because I strive to win. BUT It ends up being where my desire to win and destroy the nexus, and win the match, is beat out by 9 players who want to sit around, farm to 500cs, Do Nothing for 20 minutes. They want to ignore towers in favor of chasing kills from one end of the map to the other (Kills they often FAIL to get anyways..and end up dying in the process). But they will ignore my pings (as support) of incoming ganks, or enemy taking dragon because "you have no kills, you dont get to talk"

So Yeah, I do give up. because people on this game are so full of themselves, they see themselves as challenger tier, and rather than Help their team, they would rather sit there and talk down to the rest of their team. "You are pure trash, AHAHA Look at this garbage!. Now Shut up and get with the group"

This is why people give up. Because The community DOESNT forgive ANY mistake, Or forget them. The game SHOULD be about having fun, but people are too busy lording thier self-declared "superiority" over the rest of thier team.

When that happens, Teamwork breaks down, Toxicity breeds, The team divides and eventually Nukes itself. And then after the match is lost, often these players are too full of themselves to admit they played ANY part in the loss, So will often dump the blame on the rest of the team. When I screw up, yeah, I can fess up to it "I screwed up there, my bad" But its gotten to the point where I just see my own team as an extension of the enemy team. I hate my teams, the greed..the arrogance. They dont want to win, just brag "how great am I?! the rest of this team should be permabanned for unskilled" The player base in this community makes me sick, ashamed to be the same species as these entitled toddlers who see -themselves- as challenger tier, and want to ban anyone who doesnt play at thier level of 'perfection' The level of "I am above you" is sickening in this community.

So yeah, If I see the team nuking itself due to a player's greed and desire to throw the rest of the team to the enemy for thier own self-benefit, I stop trying. People Who cant grasp what a team game is and see thier own team as just expendable pawns, do not deserve a win.

TL:DR: People give up because this community is too busy kicking players down in order to stand a little higher, rather then helping thier team win. Win as a Team, Lose as individuals. This community would rather choose the latter option if it means they get the "most kills/damage" bragging rights "I got most kills/did the most damage. So what if we lost"

KartagiaJun 1, 20173 votes

YOu are giving up? I hope RIot uses this to ban you for admitting blatant violation which is true meaning of Trolling. It is not playing unlike team wants. Trolling is intentional losing and throwing the game. And you blame community when you yourself are major part of the problem

420 gramsMar 17, 20172 votes

Mute and solo win

OneTrickZilianMar 17, 20172 votes

Just keep playing if you like it but don't force those who don't like it. Game is for having fun. And they try to surrender if they don't have fun any more.

wei270Jun 1, 20172 votes

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Just keep playing if you like it but don't force those who don't like it. Game is for having fun. And they try to surrender if they don't have fun any more.

sorry if you want to have fun play normal in rank is where you play to win and if you want to surrender when you are not having fun is not acceptable, that is why there is a report option for giving up. if you don;t play to win don;t play rank.

KartagiaJun 1, 20172 votes

And thus not having fun is reason to give up and cause everybody in team not have fun? Are you serious? Honestly? That is totally crappy stupid argument. "I do no thave fun SO NOBODY ELSE SHOULD!".

Great MutaMar 17, 20171 votes

If we are down like 15-5 after 10 mins or so, while we might be able to win and make a comeback, I don't want to play for another 25 minutes waiting for a prayer. I'd rather just surrender at 20, save myself the stress and the whooping and start clean in a new game.

rujitraMar 17, 20171 votes

There's nothing you can do about it yourself, but you're welcome to file reports after the game for anyone who gives up. It is included under "negative attitude", and if they give up to the point that they are intentionally not trying to avoid death, it also falls in "intentional feeding".

However, Riot has shown time and time again that they spend more time and effort punishing people who understandably and rightfully get unhappy and angry with these types of players than they do punishing these types of players. You should try not to say anything angry or negative at them, no matter how much they deserve it, because if you say one negative thing and get a report, it will be you under the chopping block.

Sexy AkaliJul 2, 20191 votes

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There's nothing you can do about it yourself, but you're welcome to file reports after the game for anyone who gives up. It is included under "negative attitude", and if they give up to the point that they are intentionally not trying to avoid death, it also falls in "intentional feeding".

However, Riot has shown time and time again that they spend more time and effort punishing people who understandably and rightfully get unhappy and angry with these types of players than they do punishing these types of players. You should try not to say anything angry or negative at them, no matter how much they deserve it, because if you say one negative thing and get a report, it will be you under the chopping block.

Question: How to win a game with teammates who give up? Your answer: Report them after the game is lost, because that will help you a lot.

Do you really think this is an answer? I mean you could think a bit before saying something, we're looking for a helpful answer, you didn't tell us any solution, just said something that everyone already knows. This kind of comments are basically just wasting our time.

Mr Steal Yo ßlueMar 17, 20171 votes

And thanks to everyone who gave the time to talk to me. :)

ARAM ZooKeeperOct 6, 20171 votes

Bronze/Silver is simply a matchmaking dice roll, either your randoms are decent or trash. If they are trash it is better to quit early and quit wasting everyone's time so you can reroll and get a chance at a better team. Why waste 50 minutes on a game that you have a 1% chance to carry deadweight, when you could win 2 games in the same amount of time?

I think if players winning their lane vote to surrender you should respect that... why get mad at them, they are the ones doing their job. I've never understood why players that go 0-6 and lose lane refuse to surrender when their team wants to quit.

0megaBlazzeJan 13, 20201 votes

Just recently got banned 14 days for actively scolding this type of behavior in game, its extremely frustrating to have someone on your team who refuses to try to win. 5 years of playing this game and this is still one of my biggest roadblocks, I can't find an answer to it, the general idea is just focus on yourself, but the energy and time commitment is almost absurd and it takes an iron will to climb (no pun intended). Its a team game but people playing ranked might as well be playing normal games. The answer might be just be smart with your time, and try not to end up like Tyler1 and be extremely cinical and comical about it. Dont waste your time, but then again, if you say "ff , go next", its riot feeding your head to the wolves.

0megaBlazzeJan 13, 20201 votes

Best idea is prob what freeHK said, just keep dumping countless hours into the game and silently but surely end up climbing.