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Player attitude at its worst. Tribunal could have fixed this.

Lord Mayert·2/19/2020, 9:06:07 PM·1 votes·7,421 views

So in a game I made a lot of dragon calls and we won a lot of fights. I was nice in that game didn't say anything but we had a fed jax. This fed jax did win lane and won a lot of fights that's not the problem. The problem is the guy kept using his silver attitude and kept pushing into a lane trying to 5v1 which he couldn't, even when we had all the objectives the enemy team collapsed on us and we started losing so I told this jax nicely to group but he didn't. Then he repeatedly died again to the enemy and I told him we will report you if you keep doing this and having a bad attitude towards the team. He then afked so I told him we won't report him just come back and help then even when we had elder we lost to enemies fed jhin as can't cc a champion with so we killed 3 of the enemy members but couldn't kill the jhin. We were back at our base and our jax remained afk and did nothing and simply let us lose the game even when we were ahead. He simply griefed and afked and showed negative attitude. I reported him anyway this attitude is not acceptable but I blew up at him in defeat screen post game and said some nasty things that I am not happy with but players like this really need punishment I am not happy with the idleness of the non tribunal system. I prefer a slower paced but at least a fairer system like the tribunal.

66 Comments

rujitra2/19/2020, 9:08:54 PM10 votes

What "idleness"? You realize that the current system is faster and produces more consistent results than Tribunal? Players aren't going to get banned simply because you want them to get banned. Someone being AFK is not necessarily indicative of griefing.

What IS unacceptable is you threatening reports on another player - that is negative behavior and likely was part of the reason that he went AFK (if he did so intentionally - which we cannot know). You need to stop acting like you're the boss/captain here - your teammates deserve respect and not you tearing the team apart by trying to blame and harass them simply because you're mad.

Him making bad decisions is not griefing, it's not trolling, it's not inting, and it does not make it okay for you to harass him for it.

Kei1432/19/2020, 9:22:56 PM4 votes

So let's take a look at the tribunal proceedure:

PlayerA got reported
Rioter pulls the game chatlogs and posts into the tribunal
PlayerA's games shows up in the tribunal
Other players voted to punish/pardon playerA's behavior
After X reviews, if the case was deemed to be punishable, the game will be forwarded to a Rioter for final review
Rioter determines if the case should be punished/pardoned

With the current automated system, we skip steps 2,3,4,5 and all that is replace with an automated review. After a bunch of "possible" cases, A Rioter still reviews the game to determine whether it is punishment worthy.

The tribunal was very good at giving players a FEELING that they have the power to decide someone's punishment, but ultimately, the decision fell with Riot. Also, step4 had a massive delay, because they needed to get enough people to vote on the case, which made the tribunal super slow.

Now that is just with chatlogs, imagine using the Tribunal for gameplay reviews, where players are very split on the definition of inting/trolling/griefing and it takes much longer to review the game.

BTW, people can be good at the laning phase but have bad macro. Jax sounded to be one of those that know how to play early / mid, but sucked at late game macro. Next time when you see stuff like that, try to do better macro shot calling, and macro is not just "let's group at dragon".

Subdue2/20/2020, 5:04:33 AM4 votes

If someone is doing well but doesn't want to follow your calls, why don't you adjust your preferences and follow them around? You can't control everything, but you have full control of your champion 100% of the time. He might not be able to 1v5, but maybe you guys could 2v5 or 3v5? Or heck, maybe the whole team would follow your lead and join up with Jax?

Catastroclysm2/20/2020, 9:34:29 AM4 votes

Wow. Almost everyone in here is wrong. These threads are rare!

Anyway I'm gonna make a comment that might be actually helpful to you personally, while trying to not be condescending or rude or whatever.

To clarify his afk'ing etc is not right , obviously. Nothing can excuse that.

However if Jax is ahead, and doing well it is almost NEVER right for him to group with you. And playing a split pusher while having a team refusing to work with you can be EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING! I want you to understand that, as you said you were telling him to group. I can promise you that is basically ALWAYS the wrong call.

If you're behind and can't win without him, but he can ALWAYS win 1v1 then it's worth it for him to split. He can win 1v1 which means at minimum he can force a 1v2 WHICH HE MIGHT EVEN WIN AS WELL!

If you're that behind and get crushed 4v4 (while he and his opponent face off) there is no chance you win 5v5 either. Most split pushers are bad team fighters, and can rarely make such a large difference.

However, you MIGHT be able to win 4v3 when he draws 2.

Alternatively, if they do only send the 1 to deal with him, and he can win out 1v1, your ONLY job becomes to not die! If you can stall 4v4 while he wins 1v1 then you win that situation by doing literally nothing except clearing waves. You don't HAVE to fight to win out there, you just need to not die, and delay enemies from rotating to the splitter (and then hard pressure something if they DO rotate.)

Basically it's up to you to work as a team to pressure the enemy at the same time. You should NEVER be saying 'hey jax please group'. But you might say 'hey jax, wait a second to pressure hard, so that if they 3v1 you, we are in position to baron or pressure an inhibitor' or whatever

Split pushing is a strategy that requires both the split pusher and the rest of the team to apply pressure at the same time! If he hard shoves and loses 4v1 it's bad, If he does that when you are in position to react to it, however its GREAT if he draws 4 bot lane while baron is clear. And then it comes on you and your team to execute.

Basically what I'm saying is that your mindset of 'we need him to group' is absolutely wrong, and will not help you in future games.

You dont need him to group. You need him to split and draw 1-2 away from their team so that you can win an unfair fight. Or you can remain even while he splits and carries.

Also pro tip you NEVER rotate to him if he gets collapsed on. Just go elsewhere and get something. If he gets caught 4v1 top lane, take bot tower or dragon as a team. If he gets caught splitting bot, take baron ASAP or a tower.

Anyway that's the general idea behind splitting pressure. If you choose to follow it or not that's on you. But from what I read, tbh, this game sounds like you had a free carry, and you refused to work with him, he got frustrated and left. Again I do not believe that to be right, but I don't think your method of trying to force your wrong playstyle is correct either.

Glhf in the future.

Tele II2/19/2020, 10:39:16 PM3 votes

So this just happened but youre disappointed by the idleness of the system, yet you would be fine with something that is slower? Didnt your example just happen within the past 24 hours? How do you know hes not gonna get punished? Gameplay offenses require a manual review. They cant automate a system that punishes for not cooperating with your team. The afk part is automated if he actually left. If he just stood around doing nothing, that requires a report and a manual review. Basically the same as the tribunal, but the tribunal on average took way longer and relied on random anonymous strangers to judge it. They all have their own biases. I dont trust that, and im surprised they ever did a tribunal at all.

Idk what you mean by fairer system, as if Riot is banning their own players out of bias towards certain individuals. We all help them profit, they dont wanna ban you unless you ruin the experience for other players, which are worth more than just your individual self. So yeah, players like this jax who break the rules (which are made to deter players from ruining others' experiences) are definitely the type of players Riot would like to get rid of, or at least punish and give them a chance to change. It just takes time for them to get to it with all the shit people report for and call inting/trolling. Hell, some low elo players actually think that being a bad low elo player making bad macro decisions is a form of inting and report for it. Like wtf. Theyre bad... thats why theyre in that elo. They arent gonna get banned for being bad. But, thats another report Riot has to review.

3TWarrior2/20/2020, 12:44:47 AM3 votes

umm, you kinda broke the rules by threatening to report in order to get someone to play like you want them to

not that what they did was a good idea, but jax tends to be only decent at team fights and does better split pushing. If he was literally 1v5, that means that the opposing team saw him as so much of a threat that they had to send multiple people to stop him

You were actually better off to push while they were splitting and then retreat when they had enough time to get to you

RyzeRework2/20/2020, 9:01:36 AM2 votes

Tribunal was really toxic and banned a ton of people for no reason. I wouldnt trust boards to pass judgment on me lol.

ZaFishbone2/20/2020, 2:43:48 PM2 votes

If you knew anything about tribunal, you'd know that people didn't give out judgments in good faith. They sometimes instantly gave 'guilty' just to get rewards. So, no, tribunal wasn't good, because the players actually aren't willing to judge based on Riot rules.