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I like what merits punishments / bans.

Niyumi·9/25/2017, 7:14:36 AM·2 votes·1,098 views

If you go and feed your ass off, troll people, and generally make games miserable (you know, actually ruin games for people), you have a very, very low chance to get punished, if you even do at all. However, if you say anything that might potentially hurt someone's fragile little ego, then you are immediately punished, and can even lose your account for something as minor as being passive aggressive or just pessimistic.

Now, for some reason, that just seems ass backwards to me. Though today's SJW culture focused around vanity wouldn't agree with me.

And so, I was 14-day banned for, brace yourselves, complaining about champs in chat.

pauses as everyone gasps and faints

Yes, I know, horribly toxic. Never once did I flame anyone or attack anyone, but I was reported by my bad teammates who were tilted because they lost, and I got banned. Did I deserve it? I don't think so. I could see chat restricting for being annoying, but outright banning someone for complaining is a bit ridiculous.

And hey Tantrum, go ahead and smite me. I wanna see your justification, and I want everyone else to see it too. I never once broke the summoner's code or the TOS, and yet I'm still being punished just because I was reported and your auto bot saw trigger words.

I can only think of one sentence that could be considered harassment, and I wasn't even talking to him, nor do I have any way of talking to him.

49 Comments

Chermorg9/25/2017, 11:11:00 AM10 votes

The reason for the discrepancy in punishment frequency between gameplay toxicity and chat toxicity is that it is very easy to build an automated system to detect/score chat toxicity, and it's very hard to build one for gameplay toxicity.

Chat is one-variable - it's just the English language. Computers are certainly able to have a general understanding of the English language, heck, someone literally trained their personal low-end computer within a day to write recipes that had good sentence structure/etc. A neural network is more than capable of pulling out meaning behind chat, as well as detecting when people are being negative.

Likewise, gameplay is multi-variable - there's hundreds of different variables, from what we can see (cs, kda, turrets, kill locations, etc) to what we can't see (heatmaps of where mouse/keyboard was used and how it was used, other champs' health when someone died, etc). Even within some of those variables they're multifaceted. Once you start throwing in many many variables, it gets a lot harder for a computer system to find patterns - not impossible, but harder. Hence why it's really easy to detect the person that runs it down mid for 20+ minutes, or that buys 6 boots from the beginning, but it's hard to detect the person that just so happens to "accidentally" flash under turret every time they have flash up but plays normally the rest of the game.

Riot's working on it. But the solution is not to stop punishing the behavior you can detect. The solution is to keep punishing all detected negative behavior, and continue improving the detection.

Further, as I hinted above, the system is pretty good at determining whether you're abusing someone or if you're just bantering or it's a one off comment. Everyone has slip ups. Tense teamfight, hands are on keyboard to try and win it, you die and let one rip at your teammate "wow fucking great engage there". You won't get punished for one rare slipup. However, if you are abusing your teammates constantly, for a large portion of the game, across multiple games, then you will be punished.

Kei1439/25/2017, 3:00:59 PM4 votes

chat logs, or it didn't happen.

TyrekGoldenspear9/25/2017, 8:56:04 PM3 votes

Reads title.

You know...

I think you actually don't like what merits punishments.

Icy Hot Shoto9/25/2017, 7:59:57 AM3 votes

Money doesn't give you power. If spending a single penny was all it took to keep from getting banned, there'd be a lot more toxic people running around.

Feeding/inting/trolling is a bit harder to find, especially if it's not stated anywhere in the pre-game, in-game, or post-game chat by the summoner themself. Riot, however, is fixing their current detection system to help with this problem.

Icy Hot Shoto9/25/2017, 8:18:38 AM3 votes

Context doesn't matter. You shouldn't be firing back flame. If you are, you get punished as well. If you don't want toxic people in your games, then no one wants you in their games if you respond to flame with flame.

ModPeriscope9/25/2017, 2:59:12 PM3 votes

You get punished for severity and frequency of your actions. At any rate, you can post your log and we can discuss whether a punishment was warranted.

Its Revenge9/25/2017, 10:31:57 PM1 votes

Why doesn't Riot focus on banning scripters as fast as they do "toxic" players intead. In most obvious cases with ADC that have 500 plus APM continue playing untill ban waves yet this shit is ruining others ranked until Riot does. This is what Riot should focus on so these spinning in circles ADC like Kog and Jinx players scripting are out of the game after one match. I'm talking couldnt be more clear yet you focus on swear words.

themachamp9/25/2017, 7:48:08 AM1 votes

Well, don't forget, Riot's HQ is in Los Angeles. A very liberal city within a very liberal state. So of course they think words hurt more than actions. If you tell someone something that makes them feel bad they will chat restrict or ban you for it. Yet, actions are just a form of expression to them, so they let players express themselves a lot. Some examples of people expressing themselves in my games....elise running it down mid, heimer afking with turrets to reset krugs, 6 tear draven, a kat that stole mid and forced a double mid( after i was assigned the role in ranked), passive inting, flashing into the enemy base to /d etc. I bookmarked all of these people just to keep track and they just keep playing daily with no absence longer than 4 days. Which means they received 0 punishments.

Be careful though, call them an a$$hole for ruining your game and YOU will get banned for it. That's why my friends and I say that riot has a " Bend over and take it" policy. You just have to take it from the trolls, griefers, etc. or you will get punished instead.....aka....you're fucked either way >>.

Harlus9/25/2017, 7:22:37 AM1 votes

I got banned a few days ago and I wasn't under the influence of a chat restrict or anything, just straight up banned xdd