PSA that this game turns people toxic.

Kiokami·Mar 31, 2016·12 votes·5,039 views

it's a domino effect.

when i first started playing this i never minded losing. even in other online games (wow, battlefield, guild wars) i knew that you win some you lose some.

if what i said wasn't true and deserved downvotes, why has toxicity been a problem since early season 3? its a game that BREEDS toxicity.

but the real problem is that toxicity is infectious. i started in s3, and have been getting progressively more toxic with each season. my tolerance for the bullshit people put out on this game is at an all-time low, and since games can take anywhere from 30-50 minutes, it's a pretty big waste of my time to lose because of stupid things.

you know, even people wasting my time wasn't enough for me to be toxic. but after seeing so many toxic people (please riot its a huge lie that 90% of the playerbase isn't toxic) and getting raged at myself, i started doing it. and now, i can't stop.

so yeah, i get toxic. but you know what made me toxic riot? your shitbag community. have fun eventually banning 60% of your playerbase.

88 Comments

RiotRiot WhiskiesMar 31, 201615 votes

If you really think you are becoming more toxic, I don't think it's too late for you to try and find methods to become less so! I'll admit that when I first started playing, it was really difficult to not get upset over stuff like smurfs ruining my bot games, terrible players / trolls, AFKers, and the like. Yeah those still tick me off occasionally, but I am much better now about not letting it get to me.

Some things that have helped me:

Remember that it's not personal. When we play with randoms, they are precisely that: strangers who likely have no idea who we are and are just playing the game for their own reasons, whatever those may be. If they are there to troll, we were just unlucky enough to have run into them. Their swearing, berating, spamming, AFKing are not aimed at us. So do your best to not let it phase you too much! I pity them, really :P
Step away when feeling worked up. Losing streaks, 4v5s, running out of RRs and getting my least favorite champions... those are all things that are frustrating to just about anyone. You don't hafta keep playing!! Sour moods make you more susceptible to toxicity, on both sides of it [giving + receiving]. Whether I sit out just a few minutes or actually go do something else for an extended time, I tend to feel much calmer and have a better perspective of the game when I'm not immersed in it.
Play with friends. I am definitely in higher spirits when I play with a friend, particularly if we are voice-chatting together. We bitch to each other -- mostly jokingly -- instead of at other players, and we can laugh about stupid things that happen that might normally piss me off.

Those things might not work for everyone, but I hope they can help a bit. I'd hate for you to think that the game is in any way cultivating your unhappiness/toxicity. A lot of things in our everyday lives are outlets for some people to rage or treat others poorly [other sports, workplaces, classrooms, forums, driving], but it's how we handle these situations that help us to grow as people.

GotodeadMar 31, 20164 votes

Why are people allowed to be toxic on voice coms/irl but not in game chat? You guys should get banned for disobeying the summoners code on voice comms. Getting mad at anything or being anything but a jolly fellow is bannable.

MasterSomethingMar 31, 20167 votes

They are friends, and you cannot log voice chat. When playing in a premade of 5, as long as no one is subjected to your random jokes/toxicity and no one reports it is fine.

GotodeadMar 31, 20163 votes

Doesn't matter, bitching about anything is against the summoners code. Joking in voice comms should be a perm ban. This is league of legends no fun allowed.

MasterSomethingMar 31, 20164 votes

You are clearly salty. Alright, understand that voice chat isn't apart of the game, as it can be used for anything and it so happens it can be used for games as well. Therefore it does not have to follow the code.

GotodeadMar 31, 20163 votes

doesnt matter, if some one in the game happened to join your voice comms their feelings would be hurt and we can't have that. Therefore the potential hurting of feelings should be punishable by perm ban.

MasterSomethingMar 31, 20163 votes

They joined an outside of game voice comm. They are responsible for anything that happens outside the game. If they get their feelings hurt outside of the game, the others do not get permabanned because they were not inside the game. I did myself a favor and looked up your last thread. You are pretty salty about this system- so salty to the point where you would look like an idiot with control issues to prove your saltiness.

GotodeadMar 31, 20163 votes

I know it would be a tragedy if Riot caught you bad mouthing your teammates in voice comms and you got permabanned, I see that you are scared of them.

LauchmelderMar 31, 20163 votes

You are making absolutely 0 sense man. Do you happen to be permabanned for toxicity?

MasterSomethingMar 31, 20163 votes

Yea, he did.

MasterSomethingMar 31, 20163 votes

If I was scared of Riot, I wouldn't even be on the boards. Riot doesn't scare me, rather I respect them as a company greatly. It's not respect out of fear- It's respect of all the good things they've done for their customers. One of those things is getting you out of the community.

GotodeadMar 31, 20161 votes

I am still in the community both on the boards and in the game, I'm already diamond again. Your naivety is amusing. It doesn't take long to get it back. 72 games if we want to be precise.

MasterSomethingMar 31, 20163 votes

Yea, and you have no absolute proof of this. You can pull up any random diamond player, but we cannot confirm it unless you reply as him. It's shame people like you linger around.

GotodeadMar 31, 20161 votes

Don't worry about it bud, you won't ever get anywhere close to diamond so you wont have to play with me :)

I have little incentive to prove anything to you

MasterSomethingApr 1, 20164 votes

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand just like that, I know you are lying. If you don't prove anything to me, I can laugh at you as you look immature trying to prove a point that does not exist.

GotodeadApr 1, 20161 votes

There's nothing to prove. This account was already diamond and im there again. Im obviously not going to post my alt in a place rioters look at.

Meanwhile you're rotting in silver, enjoy bro. That's something that's easily provable looking at your sorry excuse of a profile

MasterSomethingApr 1, 20162 votes

And you are a liar, and you look stupid trying to say you are diamond with no proof whatsoever.

PrismaticApr 1, 20163 votes

{quoted}

I have little incentive to prove anything to you

Why is it that idiots who lie about being better or knowing more about anything can never back up what they say? Big ego and little brains makes for toxic people.

leaugesbaneApr 1, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Don't worry about it bud, you won't ever get anywhere close to diamond so you wont have to play with me :)

I have little incentive to prove anything to you

what you said. his head.

should be nice less this was you using two accounts to solo a conversation

SheikaReiMar 31, 20163 votes

So, by your logic. If you have a friend sitting next to you whom is watching you play and you bitch to them about how the match is going while you are neither typing nor on a voice chat system. Then you should be banned for something that none of the players can hear and none of the Riot staff can hear? This is flawed. Because in order for something like that to be a thing, Riot would have to delete the game to prevent such things. You, sir, should not be spouting your rhetoric. It is less than intelligible. Please, think about the shit you spew before you open your mouth (type on the keyboard in this instance), or just don't spit your venom.

GotodeadMar 31, 20162 votes

Yes exactly, you should only be allowed to say nice things at all times. If big brother, I mean Riot, ever caught you not liking the 4 random people you were paired with, you should be perm banned immediately.

SheikaReiMar 31, 20162 votes

Well, I don't like you and you clearly don't like me. Does that mean we should both be banned from the boards? Oh, wait, there is a small chance that we would actually meet in game. Does that mean we should both be permabanned from the game? By your logic the answer is yes. And then, to prevent any further "toxicity" from us they should block our IP addresses from the game. If this is your line of reasoning, then your view of the world and how it works is severely skewed. I would also deduce, by your line of reasoning, that you are a person whom is easily butt hurt by any idea that doesn't agree with yours. I would also like to state, that by your line of reasoning, that any person that says any hurtful comment IRL should then be jailed as it constitutes verbal assault. Which hurts a persons feelings. Your line of reasoning is false. It does nothing to curb the effects of toxicity it only inflates the problem.

GotodeadMar 31, 20162 votes

I'm glad we could come to an agreement that it should be fair for everyone. Just because you hide behind voice comms or nobody is there to hear it doesn't mean you should be allowed to be mean. Anyone thats mean anywhere should be permabanned/jailed immediately.

SheikaReiMar 31, 20162 votes

I never agreed with you. I was using your own logic to explain in different scenarios how it would not work. But, I am glad that you have shown your ineptitude to it's fullest degree. What you are speaking about, is invasion of privacy and how every word you ever say should be monitored. This level of monitoring is wrong. You are wrong. Your whole idea about this is wrong. You don't understand how it would affect the game, the community of the game, and the company. You obviously don't understand how the world in and of itself works. I would honestly recommend that you get educated in these things before you start allowing your rhetoric to billow forth from your mouth.

GotodeadMar 31, 20161 votes

That's exactly what Riot does so we agree that it's wrong. You are monitored 24/7, it is big brother on a computer game.

SheikaReiMar 31, 20162 votes

Oh no, we are not monitored 24/7 by Riot. We are hardly even monitored in game. The only times monitors enter your games or look at your games is when they are just looking around for instances or someone reported you. You can sit in the in client chat and spew all the negativity you want, cause you aren't being monitored. But in game chat is where it gets dicey, cause you don't know who will get offended by any little word you say. Also, the monitoring only applies to THEIR game and THEIR boards. They don't follow you around and monitor everything you say and do twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. As I said before. You obviously have no clue how things work.

SheikaReiMar 31, 20162 votes

At this juncture, I would recommend never speaking again. You have bored me and I am no longer interested.

Vistha KaiMar 31, 20161 votes

Nobody got the joke.

Well, I did.

leaugesbaneApr 1, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vistha Kai,realm=EUNE,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BEIBVn2Y,comment-id=000600000001,timestamp=2016-03-31T17:12:31.200+0000)

Nobody got the joke.

Well, I did.

ikr also i for one agree with him since it is a valid point on consistency assuming what i have heard is true and after these games i have played im willing to bet on it being true

Jesus is SaviorMar 31, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot grrrlee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BEIBVn2Y,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-03-31T14:43:05.826+0000)

like smurfs ruining my bot games,

Due to the exp/IP grind you're just gonna have to put up with that.

If I have time and win boosts activated at the same time, I'm spamming intermediate bots to level 30, and I'm going to win EVERY game no matter what tactics I need to use.

Vistha KaiMar 31, 20164 votes

Playing this game with friends is a good way to lose friends.

AMYS GRAVEMar 31, 20163 votes

Their swearing, berating, spamming, AFKing are not aimed at us.

That's really not true when they directly address me 30 seconds into the game with both homophobic and racial slurs after i said "gl hf".

Play with friends. I am definitely in higher spirits when I play with a friend, particularly if we are voice-chatting together. We bitch to each other -- mostly jokingly -- instead of at other players, and we can laugh about stupid things that happen that might normally piss me off.

Tried it, i found out that a few of my friends were those toxic people who afk if their mid laner is 0-2. Queueing with friends in ranked has ruined friendships i had.

Step away when feeling worked up. Losing streaks, 4v5s, running out of RRs and getting my least favorite champions... those are all things that are frustrating to just about anyone. You don't hafta keep playing!! Sour moods make you more susceptible to toxicity, on both sides of it [giving + receiving]. Whether I sit out just a few minutes or actually go do something else for an extended time, I tend to feel much calmer and have a better perspective of the game when I'm not immersed in it.

Tried it. Took a two week hiatus from ranked after a bad streak of 8 games with an astounding number of trolls ragers and afks. Came back yesterday and in 4 games got 3 afks 2 intentional feeders, 2 champ select trolls (someone dodged so thankfully i didn't have to deal with them) 2 ragers (see above), and 8 people who had pretty bad games themselves. I can leave and stop playing the game, and if that is the best solution that you have then i might just find another game to play.

This is the first season i played ranked, and because of this problem it might be the last i even bother playing the game.

leaugesbaneApr 1, 20161 votes

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That's really not true when they directly address me 30 seconds into the game with both homophobic and racial slurs after i said "gl hf".

Tried it, i found out that a few of my friends were those toxic people who afk if their mid laner is 0-2. Queueing with friends in ranked has ruined friendships i had.

Tried it. Took a two week hiatus from ranked after a bad streak of 8 games with an astounding number of trolls ragers and afks. Came back yesterday and in 4 games got 3 afks 2 intentional feeders, 2 champ select trolls (someone dodged so thankfully i didn't have to deal with them) 2 ragers (see above), and 8 people who had pretty bad games themselves. I can leave and stop playing the game, and if that is the best solution that you have then i might just find another game to play.

This is the first season i played ranked, and because of this problem it might be the last i even bother playing the game.

+1 this is the experience my friend had but could never explain properly and its the one im having as well so far despite only bots.

leaugesbaneApr 1, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot grrrlee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BEIBVn2Y,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-03-31T14:43:05.826+0000)

If you really think you are becoming more toxic, I don't think it's too late for you to try and find methods to become less so! I'll admit that when I first started playing, it was really difficult to not get upset over stuff like smurfs ruining my bot games, terrible players / trolls, AFKers, and the like. Yeah those still tick me off occasionally, but I am much better now about not letting it get to me.

Some things that have helped me:

Remember that it's not personal. When we play with randoms, they are precisely that: strangers who likely have no idea who we are and are just playing the game for their own reasons, whatever those may be. If they are there to troll, we were just unlucky enough to have run into them. Their swearing, berating, spamming, AFKing are not aimed at us. So do your best to not let it phase you too much! I pity them, really :P

Step away when feeling worked up. Losing streaks, 4v5s, running out of RRs and getting my least favorite champions... those are all things that are frustrating to just about anyone. You don't hafta keep playing!! Sour moods make you more susceptible to toxicity, on both sides of it [giving + receiving]. Whether I sit out just a few minutes or actually go do something else for an extended time, I tend to feel much calmer and have a better perspective of the game when I'm not immersed in it.

Play with friends. I am definitely in higher spirits when I play with a friend, particularly if we are voice-chatting together. We bitch to each other -- mostly jokingly -- instead of at other players, and we can laugh about stupid things that happen that might normally piss me off.

Those things might not work for everyone, but I hope they can help a bit. I'd hate for you to think that the game is in any way cultivating your unhappiness/toxicity. A lot of things in our everyday lives are outlets for some people to rage or treat others poorly [other sports, workplaces, classrooms, forums, driving], but it's how we handle these situations that help us to grow as people.

rioters wouldn't understand how frustrating it is to have a 30/10 k/d despite 4 0/15 allies ive seen the game in the history its one of my friends 3 great stories as to why i should quit. ik im probably putting a target on my back but ive looked my friends history up ive seen it and this is over a year back when fl still had 140 ping. hes perma banned this game makes you toxic no matter how good you are irl.

again my friend is perma and he choose it becuase the best you guys at riot got is as you stated in your reply and he saw what it was doing to him.

**IT IS unintentional but you DO breed toxicity **

this might get removed cuase of the link but this is why i will happily take my freinds word over a rioters and it will be my last game for a few weeks to avoid the nazi ban bot http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2143960325/231491260?tab=overview

one person "called" mid afked for the first wave and mundo who was there got forced top and he fed not becuase hes a bad person but becuase he was forced out of a lane becuase of a person who afked and "called" i was already slightly ahead top so he couldn't cs there for a long while either. mundo didn't bother me ik how annoying cs waring is in bots. its bots for crying out loud why call or feed you can end it 15mins and in some cases faster......

edit in: im gonna challenge your advice

the fact that randoms dont know you is why meta exists its not only the best method but the best point start to sync to the others with.
step away? try walking away for a few days. if your at that point it only gets worse no matter how many mins you step away for if you dont ill willing to bet serious money you will end up in the report function. if you are not sound of mind you will never enjoy this game. the players happily make hard to be sound of mind.
only one i agree with as long as it isnt that 4 man premade bullshit even i couldnt stand that if i saw it.

this is from the stories my freind has said and i dont doubt him at all again the match above had three feeders i was forced to defend tell spawn timers went up and only then was i able to push the win and this is freaking bots even if you are new dying like that and any game frankly put is known as a bad thing

p.s. i wont say the name cause i dont need the toxicity that i will receive due to relation nor do i require trust refusal to believe me doesn't change any facts.

RevelstokeApr 24, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot grrrlee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BEIBVn2Y,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2016-03-31T14:43:05.826+0000)

If you really think you are becoming more toxic, I don't think it's too late for you to try and find methods to become less so! I'll admit that when I first started playing, it was really difficult to not get upset over stuff like smurfs ruining my bot games, terrible players / trolls, AFKers, and the like. Yeah those still tick me off occasionally, but I am much better now about not letting it get to me.

Some things that have helped me:

Remember that it's not personal. When we play with randoms, they are precisely that: strangers who likely have no idea who we are and are just playing the game for their own reasons, whatever those may be. **If they are there to troll, we were just unlucky enough to have run into them. **Their swearing, berating, spamming, AFKing are not aimed at us. So do your best to not let it phase you too much! I pity them, really :P

Step away when feeling worked up. Losing streaks, 4v5s, running out of RRs and getting my least favorite champions... those are all things that are frustrating to just about anyone. You don't hafta keep playing!! Sour moods make you more susceptible to toxicity, on both sides of it [giving + receiving]. Whether I sit out just a few minutes or actually go do something else for an extended time, I tend to feel much calmer and have a better perspective of the game when I'm not immersed in it.

Play with friends. I am definitely in higher spirits when I play with a friend, particularly if we are voice-chatting together. We bitch to each other -- mostly jokingly -- instead of at other players, and we can laugh about stupid things that happen that might normally piss me off.

Those things might not work for everyone, but I hope they can help a bit. I'd hate for you to think that the game is in any way cultivating your unhappiness/toxicity. A lot of things in our everyday lives are outlets for some people to rage or treat others poorly [other sports, workplaces, classrooms, forums, driving], but it's how we handle these situations that help us to grow as people.

"If they are there to troll, we were just unlucky enough to have run into them. " - Riot grrrlee

Thanks for the new signature. Trolls are not some force of nature, which nothing can be done about, Trolls are something which The playerbase absolutely and overwhelming want Riot to fix and which Riot are ignoring because its "too hard" .

But sure, go ahead and call us "unlucky", good luck selling that.

Deep Terror NamiMar 31, 201610 votes

I've become less toxic since starting this game and interacting with its community.

Turns out it's a personal choice.

Dominick DestineMar 31, 20163 votes

The color of your name is blue.

Mine is not.

This world is not just/fair.

MasterSomethingMar 31, 20163 votes

As much as I don't agree with left side ideas and socialist ideas, you kinda are a bit aggressive for your hate about them... Then again, you can say what you want. Just thought I'd let you know you are beginning to sound like that guy.

Dominick DestineMar 31, 20163 votes

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As much as I don't agree with left side ideas and socialist ideas, you kinda are a bit aggressive for your hate about them

What's wrong with that? keep in mind I am talking about ideas, not people. Criticizing ideas, even done heavily, is not wrong.

But even then, me being too aggressive? what? maybe if I were saying something to extent of (Hypothetically) "EVERYONE NAMED TED SHOULD BE EXECUTED BECAUSE PEOPLE NAMED TED ARE EVIL" then yeah, that would be too aggressive. Point being; I am very 'gentile' and wear very sizeable/soft kid gloves when talking about these ideas on this message board.

I would be (permanently) removed very quickly if the gloves were off...

Then again, you can say what you want. Just thought I'd let you know you are beginning to sound like that guy.

That's fine.

It's a joke anyway, I'd make a (VERY) terrible arbiter and Riot isn't stupid, they know this.

MasterSomethingMar 31, 20163 votes

Fair point. I just don't have many civilized debates (my sister is a liberal/feminist/bi/flavor of the month tumblr theme) with many people, so most stuff seems kinda aggressive I guess. But different viewpoints. What's light to you can be rough to others. Irregardless, thank you for putting it without aggression. It'd be nice to have a discussion about politics one day.

Also, your name has a space in it. Mine does not. Even though I can go put a space in it if I get the money, because I am lazy I demand you remove your space instead. That way we can be equal and I can no longer feel oppressed by your space.

Dominick DestineMar 31, 20161 votes

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What's light to you can be rough to others.

Other people being complete felines is not an argument.

There is no such thing as a protected idea, above criticism regardless of the emotional fragility of leftists/feminists.... at the point where certain ideologies must be protected, those specific ideologies have revealed themselves to be vacuous and the supporters of said ideas are complete pieces of [Word].

Though you didn't say it; I advise you to never have 'emotions' towards people like your sister. Never hatred, never pity. You must learn from her example and understand each argument she presents, if the argument is strong then adopt it, if it is weak, then drop it.

If she continually produces weak arguments, then she is weak and her ideology is flawed. Recognize her weakness and move on. Ideas must ALWAYS flow freely no matter how terrible they are, it is up to one's intelligence to recognize the good ones from the bad ones.

thank you for putting it without aggression

Aggression is a virtue, it is a strength. Passivity is a flaw, a weakness. gg

MasterSomethingMar 31, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=BEIBVn2Y,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-31T15:50:25.508+0000)

Other people being complete felines is not an argument.

There is no such thing as a protected idea above criticism regardless of the emotional fragility of leftists/feminists.

That is correct. You project your opinion, I can project mine.

Aggression is a virtue, it is a strength. Passivity is a flaw, a weakness.

That's subjective there, honestly.

Dominick DestineMar 31, 20161 votes

{quoted}

That is correct. You project your opinion, I can project mine.

Very rarely do I speak in 'opinion', 'opinion' is meaningless subjective garbage.

Objectivity is the only thing that matters.

That's subjective there, honestly.

First of all subjectivity is irrelevant.

Second, even if it wasn't; Champions across many competitions, sports and challenges have several common traits, one of them is being aggressive. You do not win by being passive, passivity is loser talk, it is loser behavior. Winners fight, they struggle, they seize opportunities and search for weakness, they seek out passivity in the enemy to exploit it.

Julio Cesar Chavez, one of the greatest boxers of all time once attributed many of his victories to his aggressive nature, relentlessly pursuing his opponents. Aggressively punishing adversaries in each and every trade, often disregarding the strikes he himself received (Chavez had an iron chin, huehuehuehue).

Anatoly Karpov, one of the legendary chess players of all time once said (paraphrasing here) that chess is a game of the mind where the ability to aggressively lock your opponent to make a choice between one bad situation and another is a key path to success.

Pretty much anywhere at the top where you look you will find aggressive behavior as necessary, not just a virtue but a core strength. Passivity is a flaw, a weakness, it is garbage. Seek to be strong, to be a champion... damn it, this reads like the back of a cereal box, gg I'll stop here.

MasterSomethingMar 31, 20163 votes

It's subjective because it's not fact. Being passive means you aren't instigated as quickly as others- You are more likely to forgive, you are more likely to make friends, and you are more likely to not fight back and overdo it. They both have their advantages and disadvantages. But saying one is stronger than the other is opinion- therefore it is subjective.

Dominick DestineApr 1, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Being passive means you aren't instigated as quickly as others

Incorrect; The very first response from google: PASSIVE: accepting or allowing what happens or what others do, without active response or resistance. gg

MasterSomethingApr 1, 20162 votes

And...? Being passive has its advantages, while being aggressive has advantages of its own. My point is saying that one is clearly superior over the other is subjective, as there are both clear advantages and disadvantages for both sides. Neither one overlap the other. You cannot say "being angry all the time is better than being peaceful and calm all the time".

Dominick DestineApr 1, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Being passive has its advantages

Nope, but you are free to believe what you choose to believe.

leaugesbaneApr 1, 20161 votes

{quoted}

That is correct. You project your opinion, I can project mine.

That's subjective there, honestly.

yes and no i work with people who are passive and need to be much more aggressive. think of it more like a tide that ebs and flows and it should make more sense.

MasterSomethingApr 1, 20162 votes

...Did you really have to reply to five of my posts at once...?