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Not your every day "unfair ban" post.

Ezille··4 votes·523 views

Hi everyone-

I'd like to take a little time to explain something that happened today, while giving you all a little context about myself.

My name's Ezille, I'm a previous toxic player- now a more reformed and mature player. It's been over 2 years since my last report, and I'm enjoying the game in ways I haven't before. Thanks in advanced Riot, for shaping me forward.

I was playing a game today, in which I had someone say in champion select "You're a melancholy fa**ot."

I was stunned, because I take offense to that word - I'm a gay man living in a pretty conservative area, I get it a lot - it hurts.

He then immediately banned the champion I had selected, while saying "lol oops".

We got out of queue, someone on the other team had dodged, and I was paired with him again (my fault, yeah, irrelevant for now).

He had announced early on in the game that he would end up not helping, he was done with my team - which was weird, because we were winning, and my team was doing well. We had asked the enemy team to report him because of his behavior, my entire team was against him at this point.

I hadn't exchanged any lashes out, maybe an occasional 'shut up'-

But I had told the enemy team that he called me that phrase (in direct quotes - basically like "he called me a ******") in game and in champion select.

I was reported after the game and now I'm facing a two week suspension. However, everyone in that game knew that he was toxic, and I was merely quoting what he had said - we had all ended up reporting him.

I don't really feel like this is a fair judgment on my account, as I did not lash out at him or anyone- I had stayed calm, kept my team encouraged and was able to carry a 4v5 victory.

I've reformed myself and it's really poor judgment to affect my account when I handled the situation as best as I could. I really feel like I should have my situation assessed and looked back at - and maybe demote my punishment to maybe a chat restriction? If that's even still justifiable.

Thanks for reading,

—Ezille

25 Comments

HalcyonDweller4 votes

I'm sorry you went through that crap, it sucks to have jerks for teammates, and it's even worse to get wrongly punished (if that's what happened). I don't understand why this post is getting downvotes, it seems like a legit case so far. Although it would help if you shared your chat log from the reform card that you got when you were punished.

Sometimes cases like this where you quoted another player and were not being toxic yourself Riot might lighten the punishment. But it's not guaranteed. This is based on an assumption that you're being truthful and were calm and encouraging for the game. But if that is indeed the case then your chances of being helped by support go up by a lot.

Submit a ticket to Riot Support and hope for the best. You're not the first person to mis-trigger the system and you probably won't be the last. if they judge your case to be innocent enough then they might lighten or even lift the punishment and give you a warning.

As far as what you could have done differently that game, you shouldn't have called for people to report that person, this is unnecessary (because reports don't stack). It's not punishable by itself - but if you did it repeatedly then it may have been considered harassment, which would push you over the edge into a punishment if you have had a chat restriction recently.

That aside, it's never a good idea to repeat offensive things that people say. I understand you were just telling people what he called you, and that it was to provide context for why you were asking people to report him... However, if armed with the knowledge that reports don't stack, you would have known that there was no point in providing that evidence and asking others to help report the offending player.

tldr version:

  1. Post your chat logs, that helps us boards users to see if there was anything that you might have done that could earn you a genuine punishment. This helps us to determine what sort of feedback to give you as well as whether or not to upvote your post to give it visibility.

  2. If you're being truthful then you didn't do anything really punishment worthy, just quoted a player because you mistakenly thought it would help to lobby reports against someone. In the future you would do well to remember not to ask others to report someone, as well as not repeat offensive language that others direct towards you.

  3. Contact Riot Support by submitting a ticket on their support site. Just scroll down as far as you can on this page and look for the link that says "SUPPORT" in cyan-blue text. It can be found at the very bottom of every league of legends boards web-page.

Ezille1 votes

Thank you so much!

I know there are things I could have done better - or been even more mature about, but I'm human, I got really heated with that word, that's my fault.

I posted my chat logs in the comments down here. Still awaiting my Ticket response. =(

HalcyonDweller1 votes

You are welcome, I feel your pain. It's easy to remain calm when nothing bad is happening but when someone is extremely hurtful or insulting it's a lot harder. It's good that you recognized that you can do better, and it is important to separate that from any possible feelings of guilt or shame, because you are definitely not wrong for being upset.

Okie dokie, I'll go give those logs a read and let you know if I find anything we haven't discussed yet that might have caused your punishment.

Good luck with your ticket, and don't fret if Riot doesn't give you a quick response. It will come eventually, usually within one to three days (three is a high estimate, it's usually quicker than that).

rework trundle3 votes

I'll take for granted you are speaking the truth and not turning the story in your favor.

The sad part of an automated system is that it never takes the context into account, yes, even if it was to quote someone else. You can try talking to Riot support if you haven't already, that's your last hope. Best of luck!

Ezille1 votes

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I'll take for granted you are speaking the truth and not turning the story in your favor.

The sad part of an automated system is that it never takes the context into account, yes, even if it was to quote someone else. You can try talking to Riot support if you haven't already, that's your last hope. Best of luck!

Thank you so much. I hope so too. =(

Nyloaf1 votes

Just a headsup, dont callout in posts, it's against the rules and your post is going to be edited by a higher up soon if you dont :x

also, I think without any chatlogs that the suspension was rather uncalled for, and I hope the other player gets/is punished. however, i think perhaps you should post the chatlogs here as well

Ezille2 votes

{quoted}

Just a headsup, dont callout in posts, it's against the rules and your post is going to be edited by a higher up soon if you dont :x

also, I think without any chatlogs that the suspension was rather uncalled for, and I hope the other player gets/is banned.

however, i think perhaps you should post the chatlogs here as well

Game 1 Ezille: my map control has been nasty Ezille: me and thresh are good together Ezille: doing better now Ezille: who cares Ezille: LOL? Ezille: I've helped lanes more than you Ezille: you're just toxic. Ezille: last i checked Ezille: i was gold 3 Ezille: but im back from college Ezille: so shut up Ezille: boston Ezille: ezreal Ezille: come Ezille: thresh you're great tbh Ezille: she is Ezille: she called me a "%%%got" when i said nothing in champ select Ezille: banned my champ Ezille: did it for this game too Ezille: tbh I'm carrying rn Ezille: damn camille nj Ezille: we can win this 4v5 Ezille: 3rd ocean drag Ezille: that's ours Ezille: i can solo Ezille: 3 ocean drags Ezille: lol gg Ezille: shyv helped none of them Ezille: klLOOLOOLLOOLL Ezille: LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Ezille: THAT THRESH Ezille: JESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUS Ezille: ocean drag op Ezille: Hasn't done anything with the team. Ezille: Banned my champ. Ezille: Idk. Ezille: Did it said "lmao oops" Ezille: Refuses to group... yadayadayada Ezille: You got 3 other good team mates. Ezille: shrug Ezille: nj ez Ezille: get ready for that sweet regen Ezille: holy shit ez NICE Ezille: that kiting Ezille: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Ezille: We can win Ezille: we need to group together, us 4 Ezille: and play smart Ezille: yeah Ezille: my ult can kill all of them Ezille: trust. Ezille: camille Ezille: focus stunning for ezreal Ezille: not backline diving Ezille: they need to come too us Ezille: told u Ezille: win Ezille: ez Ezille: u and me can take that Ezille: i can do like 10k dmg with my ult Ezille: camille, stop. Ezille: don't add to it. Ezille: end. Ezille: report shyv

End

Take this back 2 years ago, I would have flamed her to no extent- but that's not how I play anymore. I've seriously reformed myself after my chat restriction.

PrismalDawn1 votes

Jesus Christ I'd report you too.

Kantala2 votes

Sorry, could you not swear in here? The Lord's Son doesn't deserve to be slandered in a public forum. [sg-ahri-2]

HalcyonDweller2 votes

Really? Cause I'm usually pretty trigger-happy with reports and I don't see anything I find report-worthy here.

They said "ez" lots but it's pretty obvious they're talking to a teammate about plays when they do, rather than enemies in all-chat.

Ezille1 votes

Ezreal. ^^

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Oh I see! haha XD Well if that's the case then it's even less punishable!

Kantala2 votes

Without this chat log, nobody has mentioned that you triggered the IFS immediate suspension with the use of a zero tolerance word. It doesn't matter if you were quoting someone else saying it. There's no reason to repeat it in League at all. I understand that you were upset at it, but there's no reason to garner reports from the enemy team when your report alone is enough to send the game to the IFS for review.

This should serve as a reminder to everyone else that asking for reports is more than likely going to cause anyone on the enemy to report you for toxicity. It's better to be safe than sorry to report the person asking for reports because you don't really know what was happening in your enemy's chat. For all anyone knows, the toxic one could be attempting to garner reports against an innocent player and we wouldn't be none the wiser.

Ezille1 votes

I respect that. Thank you-

I guess I just got too personal when it came to that word being used against me. Serves me wrong.

Appreciate your feedback, it'll bear well when I'm back on the rift. =)

Kantala2 votes

You're welcome. I can understand as I have been moderator to a few CounterStrike servers back in the day that had rules regarding the same things. Needless to say, a few people who came through them didn't like me when their bans weren't getting overturned.

Just remember to keep your own feelings in check until it's time to write up the report at the post game lobby and you'll do much better. [slayer-jinx-wink]

Shandrake3 votes

Don't. Repeat. Zero. Tolerance. Words. You just throw yourself under the bus when you do.

Mute, report and move on. You don't need to tell everyone else how they called you this or that. 1 report has the same weight as 9.

Ezille1 votes

Noted.

Helps to have the feedback for when I'm able to get back on.

Thanks a lot. =)

Nyloaf1 votes

Yeah, aside from you repeating what the player said about you before, I don't think you should be suspended at all. Unfortunately, the system is automatic and it doesn't matter what context the chat was in, it'll still punish anyone who uses certain words relentlessly :/ hope riot support looks into this, if you get a punishment it should be like a 5 game chat suspension if anything. Best wishes.

HalcyonDweller1 votes

Yeah I didn't see anything that would really be punishable here. If this is the whole log then I'm fairly confident that this would be a case where the IFS picked up on you quoting the other player, rather than a case where you were punished for saying anything really punishable.

You talked for a little bit about how the player was trolling, but you stopped. It's not like you harped on them or focused on their mistakes, you clearly made a great amount of effort to compliment your teammates' successful plays and to coordinate upcoming plays. Calling for reports can sometimes be punishable, but we already talked about that and that's the only thing I see here (besides the repeating of the zero tolerance phrase) that would be even remotely punishable. At worst you should have received a chat restriction, and definitely not a 14-day ban.

It looks a lot like this happened just because the IFS triggered from your use of the zero tolerance phrase. Best advice I can give you is to be as forthcoming and polite with Riot support as you were in writing this post, and to cross your fingers and hope for the best.

I hope your punishment get's lifted, and hopefully Riot Tantram or another person from the player behavior team will see this post and take care of it even before the support ticket gets taken care of.

TheUrbanKitsune1 votes

I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt because you seem sincere. If this really is the issue you should try to submit a support ticket and see if there is anything Riot can do to help the situation.

Also a heads up, you may want to remove the name of the summoner from your post as 'naming and shaming' is against the boards policy.

Ezille1 votes

{quoted}

I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt because you seem sincere. If this really is the issue you should try to submit a support ticket and see if there is anything Riot can do to help the situation.

Also a heads up, you may want to remove the name of the summoner from your post as 'naming and shaming' is against the boards policy.

Just did. Thank you! =)

PrismalDawn1 votes

For a guy getting out the "toxic player" base you have to be careful with what you say, I'm pretty sure you are judged more harshly. Next time, mute and shut up, really. This does sounds like an every day "unfair ban" post too.

Ezille1 votes

{quoted}

For a guy getting out the "toxic player" base you have to be careful with what you say, I'm pretty sure you are judged more harshly. Next time, mute and shut up, really. This does sounds like an every day "unfair ban" post too.

I appreciate that - I'll take that more to heart knowing what I do now.

Thanks for your advice. =)

Telephone Booth1 votes

Ya seems pretty non-malicious. I wish Riot would just explain to you how telling everyone what your teammate said serves no positive purpose and will result in a punishment if you repeat any zero tolerance phrases. They could just knock you down to a 25 game CR and leave you with better knowledge. 1 report does the same as 9, so it's never a beneficial thing to share with your opponents what your teammates did wrong. At least now you know, but it would be nice if they lowered the punishment for ya.

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