Toxicity is toxicity, there shouldn't be a "ladder" system of it.

Lush Father··1 votes·1,362 views

It's all lead to the same conclusion, which is directed to hurting someones feelings. There shouldn't be "different degrees of toxic", it should all be on the same level, for some people might find something that isn't as offensive to someone else, to be really offensive to them.

I've made this point in a comment with a boards Moderator, stating that I can easily call someone an "insect" to avoid the chat restriction/ban, because my intention is to personally attack them. It doesn't matter on how I attack the player, as long as I'm being derogative and get my point across. It's a word that my friend personally uses to deliberately belittle someone, he also uses phrases like "Go drink some mercury", which is his way of saying "Go off yourself". My point here is that the system is abusive, and shouldn't have a ranked system on which is classified as more toxic than the other word that has been previously used.

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Skullgetti5 votes

Crime is crime, and there is no levels of it.

Someone who smoked a weed should be executed just like someone who killed 14 men.

Lush Father1 votes

LOL you got me there.

Chermorg4 votes

There is no "more toxic" than anything else. Behavior is evaluated holistically - based on the things the player said. There is no word or phrase more toxic than another with one exception:

Hate speech, i.e. that which is discriminatory/derogatory towards someone for nationality, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc. is met with escalated punishment, as is telling someone to kill themselves (or similar).

Aside from that exception, any toxicity is punished based on how toxic as a whole the chat log is - not the specific words/phrases used, but the overall level of toxicity. This is because while one comment in isolation may be "toxic", it may not merit a punishment (ex: an offhanded comment of "wtf was that") whereas that same comment in combination with others may merit a punishment.

TLDR: No single word/phrase merits punishment on its own, and chat is evaluated holistically.

Lush Father2 votes

TLDR: No single word/phrase merits punishment on its own, and chat is evaluated holistically.

I disagree, I can easily get banned from saying a singular word/phrase without the use of hatespeech or promotion of suicide.

Chermorg2 votes

I would encourage you to show me proof of this ever happening.

I will eagerly await the proof.

Lush Father1 votes

So you're telling me to promote negative behavior in a game just so you can be satisfied? Never thought I'd see that coming from a Moderator.

Also, you're one of the mods who always proclaim of data being correct just because someone tells you that it is infact true, but never actually post any visual evidence via data tables, histograms, or any forms of grouped data. You continue to tell me that "It's true because Riot told me so", but have yet to portray any factual evidence besides what comes out of their mouths, which I find to be insanely fucking annoying and doesn't thrive any discussion at all.

Chermorg5 votes

I did not suggest you do this sort of thing. I figured you based your comment off of concrete evidence and asked you to present it.

Now that you've admitted you have no evidence for it and it's just your (incorrect) opinion, I have no reason to believe you. You complain I provide no data, yet you do the exact same thing. At least my stats are supported and backed by a multibillion dollar company that makes the number 1 played game in the world, as well as logic and some evidence especially in this case. Yours are supported by nothing but your own words.

Lush Father1 votes

I would encourage you to show me proof of this ever happening.

Except you did though.

Chermorg3 votes

I didn't say it had to be proof of you getting banned for one word or phrase. I asked for proof someone has ever gotten banned for one word or phrase. You should be able to provide some to back up your claim.

Further, given Riot's profits of over 600 million dollars plus factoring in all of the overhead costs, other revenue sources, ESports they manage, etc. It is impossible for them not to be multibillion dollars.

Lush Father1 votes

Your link is broken there, pal.

Chermorg1 votes

Fixed, also here for reference.

Lush Father1 votes

Why are you giving me a 3rd party website?

Chermorg2 votes

... That is a reputable news magazine for information on gaming companies.

You said yourself you don't trust Riot's statistics. You apparently don't trust reputable news organizations. What will you trust?

Lush Father1 votes

A graph from Riot Games.com.

Chermorg1 votes

Why would Riot (or any company) publish financial data on their own website, where said image could be easily photoshopped to look official with false data? There's a reason companies release news to the press (i.e. magazines) but not on their own websites.

You won't take anything you don't agree with, no matter how reputable it is. I'm done.

Lush Father1 votes

I'll agree with a graph from Riotgames.com.

Skullgetti1 votes

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I didn't say it had to be proof of you getting banned for one word or phrase. I asked for proof someone has ever gotten banned for one word or phrase. You should be able to provide some to back up your claim.

Further, given Riot's profits of over 600 million dollars plus factoring in all of the overhead costs, other revenue sources, ESports they manage, etc. It is impossible for them not to be multibillion dollars.

Didn't i just see you in a thread telling a player it's perfectly normal to get banned for saying the F homosexuality slur once even if he was asking about it rather than calling someone that same slur?

Lush Father1 votes

Didn't i just see you in a thread telling a player it's perfectly normal to get banned for saying the F homosexuality slur once even if he was asking about it rather than calling someone that same slur?

LOL

Chermorg2 votes

For one, that player was asking "what's wrong with <slur>". That's not an acceptable question, and furthermore it shows an attitude (homophobia) that is absolutely not tolerated in League.

For two, no, using that slur, in any context, whatsoever, is not acceptable in League. It does not matter who, what, or nobody you're calling that slur.

Skullgetti1 votes

{quoted}

For one, that player was asking "what's wrong with <slur>". That's not an acceptable question, and furthermore it shows an attitude (homophobia) that is absolutely not tolerated in League.

For two, no, using that slur, in any context, whatsoever, is not acceptable in League. It does not matter who, what, or nobody you're calling that slur.

Does deserve a two week GAMEPLAY ban though? Why not a chat ban? (I'm not attacking, as aggressive as this might sound. I actually want to know the reasoning.) I have the strong believe that punishment, both in real life and league has to be carried on to rehabilitate or teach, or for the protection of others.

I would see as you say "homophobic behavoir" get punished severely, but saying one slur once not directed at anyone, wouldn't a simple 2 week CHAT BAN have gotten the message across that it is not okay to say such a word in any circumstance? I mean you wouldn't lock someone up for 12 years because they hit someone in the face

Chermorg2 votes

Yes, it does.

You're acting as if it's just a word. It's not. That word expresses an attitude that is absolutely unacceptable for League, and does not deserve 3 slaps on the wrist before a permanent ban. An attitude of hate towards someone's sexual identity is not acceptable. Players who use words they do not know the meaning of are at fault for that - not anyone else.

The word itself is severe. The punishment for using it is severe. It is as if shooting a gun once not directly at someone but still endangering others should get just a couple years probation instead of jail time, because it was only once and it wasn't directly at someone.

Skullgetti1 votes

{quoted}

Yes, it does.

You're acting as if it's just a word. It's not. That word expresses an attitude that is absolutely unacceptable for League, and does not deserve 3 slaps on the wrist before a permanent ban. An attitude of hate towards someone's sexual identity is not acceptable. Players who use words they do not know the meaning of are at fault for that - not anyone else.

The word itself is severe. The punishment for using it is severe. It is as if shooting a gun once not directly at someone but still endangering others should get just a couple years probation instead of jail time, because it was only once and it wasn't directly at someone.

It is not "just a word", but neither is saying "kill yourself", "your mother has to die of [African disease ]", and so on, and i've seen many, many accounts say such things several times in chat without getting as much as a scratch on their accounts. In fact, i've had a friend who i reguarly played with who said things like that EVERY SINGLE GAME we were on the losing end and he leveled up faster in honor than anyone else i know despite me reporting him several times.

It is NOT just a word, it is very severe to say something like that but if one person gets treated that way, everyone should.

I strongly believe that everyone and anyone that is looking for a positive gameplay experience should feel right at home in LoL, and we are not there yet at all. Not even close. But giving someone a 2 week gameplay ban despite them not doing anything that ruined or negatively influenced anyone's gameplay experience, even IF that thing they did was NOT okay, is just too much. I've seen people get 1 week chat restrictions for things MUCH more upsetting, and MUCH more personal.

Splitgrips2 votes

there are trigger wards that fall under the racial bias sorta thing that is a huge selling point in the american music industry.. but i would highly recommend against it.. not because i understand the difference of people.. but because currently this game is moderated by a quasi SJW mentality that they are trying to appease the loud minority.

also their headquarters is in Cali... the corner stone of future venezula

Lush Father1 votes

I find this funny too, because words like Annamite, Armo, Ciapaty, Kalar, etc aren't censored. Why isn't it ok for me to use the N word, but these words aren't censored? I sense bias.

P4ppino2 votes

It isn't OK because it's very offensive, and there is no need for that in a video game. You don't need to say the n word to call a dragon, ask for a gank, or tell your mates to retreat.

KVbqbFsC8e1 votes

"Toxicity" is subjective anyway.

I find someone going 0/15 much more "toxic" than someone complaining about an 0/15 teammate.

afmghost1 votes

If I called you a jerk, that would be mild toxicity. If I cussed you out, that would be moderate toxicity. If I made racial, sexual, autistic, or any other kind of slur, or if I made threats against you or people you care about, that would be significant toxicity.

Look, I agree that toxicity is toxicity. But some statements are worse than others.

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