Permanant chat ban > permanant account ban

supertoddy·2/22/2018, 4:48:24 AM·3 votes·1,031 views

Alright league community, lets get real, we should have a permanent chat ban implemented instead of a permanent account ban because 1 its robbing people of A, the most precious commodity of ones life, their time, and B, their money, which makes riot games criminals, figuratively, Yes im saying this because my account was perma-banned, no im not going to act like i wasn't being toxic, to a degree i wasn't, but still, 2-5 games out of 1000s does not equate to permanently suspending an account and ruining all progress made on an account. I didnt even know that perma bans happened right after 2 week suspensions, i just thought the 2 week suspensions would keep going, i was told by others that perma banns only happened when you int, scrips or continuously tell people extremes like "kys" racism, or sexism etc. (in my defense) If others agree, this would be a great idea to silence toxicity and prevent loses to accounts people have worked hard on, lets get accounts unbanned and a better system in place, riot isnt perfect, but it can strive to be better.

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Xidphel2/22/2018, 4:52:14 AM8 votes

Takes a shot

AeroWaffle2/22/2018, 4:53:56 AM8 votes

Alright league community, lets get real, we should have a permanent chat ban implemented instead of a permanent account ban

No. It was already tried. Riot discovered that many of those who would have normally been perma-banned for their behavior (but instead was perma-chat restricted) just found other methods to be an ass to their teammates.

I didnt even know that perma bans happened right after 2 week suspensions, i just thought the 2 week suspensions would keep going

I believe there's a message that comes with the 2-week suspension that warns you of the perma-ban possibility. So you would have needed to ignore that message if you were unaware of it.

zPOOPz2/22/2018, 4:50:56 AM4 votes

Been there, done that. People just resort to gameplay toxicity if they can't chat. At least with chat, you can mute.

Umbral Regent2/22/2018, 5:20:22 AM4 votes

...because 1 its robbing people of A, the most precious commodity of ones life, their time...

Riot doesn't make you play their game, so the only people wasting their time are those that voluntarily do so. That's pretty much the entire point of a game - to kill time.

That said - if you think that playing a game, breaking its rules, and getting banned is a waste of time - y'might not want to partake in one or two of those steps. Just sayin'.

...and B, their money, which makes riot games criminals, figuratively,

No? There's no way - figuratively or literally - that Riot could be considered criminals. You, the player, voluntarily gave Riot money in a non-refundable transaction. They did not rob you of jack shit, you willingly gave them your money. If you can't be bothered to adhere to the very simple rules they lay out for you, that's your own problem.

...but still, 2-5 games out of 1000s does not equate to permanently suspending an account and ruining all progress made on an account.

Again, allow me to reiterate; you, the player, are solely responsible for your investment and contribution to a game. You invested time and money to it, but then contributed negativity and ignorance of the rules. None of that is Riot's fault.

That said - it really couldn't have been "2-5 games" - you'd have to show a consistent pattern of negative behavior just to be punished once - to carry on all the way to a permaban means that you very clearly did not care for the rules despite at least three separate punishments.

I figure a modest estimate of negative behavior (to the point of a permanent ban) would fall more into the range of 7-12 games. The number could be higher, the number could be lower, but you still have to be consistently negative to warrant a permaban.

I didnt even know that perma bans happened right after 2 week suspensions, i just thought the 2 week suspensions would keep going...

The pop-up that informs you about your 14-day ban tells you that the next punishment will be a permaban. That you didn't bother to read it - or, for that matter, shape up when you actually were held off from playing the game for your behavior - is, again, your own fault.

...i was told by others that perma banns only happened when you int, scrips or continuously tell people extremes like "kys" racism, or sexism etc. (in my defense)

If you got any of that information from here, you either were looking at the wrong sources, or reading the sources wrong in some way. Even a short browse of the PB boards will show you that, yes, one can get permabanned for continually being negative or displaying bad behavior - even if on its own the chat would warrant a chat restriction, if you're high enough in the punishment tiers, you can and will get banned.

The only things that are particularly exclusive are ID bans, chargeback bans, or shield bans.

That aside, ignorance of the rules is not a valid defense against the rules.

If others agree, this would be a great idea to silence toxicity and prevent loses to accounts people have worked hard on...

  1. A majority of people would certainly disagree.
  2. Like others have mentioned, no. This would not silence toxicity, it would only narrow the avenues down to trolling.
  3. If people really cared for the accounts they worked hard on, they would be wise to not break the rules.

...lets get accounts unbanned...

Hell no.

People who have been banned toxicity have been given at least three warnings to stop acting like assholes. If they didn't learn after the 10-game chat restriction, didn't learn after the 25-game chat restriction, and somehow didn't learn after the 14-day ban, Riot needs to give them a very, very, very tangible punishment so that they will learn.

And those bans are very, very often well-deserved.

To unban people who flamed their way to the permaban would essentially be Riot saying "hey, everyone, we encourage you all to be toxic and flame each other to death!" - and, let's be real. They're never going to say that, and they sure as hell aren't ever going to imply it through a systemic change.

...and a better system in place...

Permanent chat restrictions are not a better system. If one doesn't learn from a 10-game or 25-game chat restriction, what are they going to learn from a permanent chat restriction? (my money is on "nothing".)

hsojbabe2/22/2018, 4:54:54 AM2 votes

This is why there is a terms of use[zombie-nunu-bummed]

Anastaecia2/22/2018, 4:52:48 AM2 votes

Riot tried this...didn't work. How about people just follow the rules that they agreed to when they first signed up? OH!!!!!!

SnyperWulff2/22/2018, 6:13:14 AM1 votes

Dude gets perma chat banned, okay, easy, now they spam pings, pick troll Champs to lanes, feed, steal CS and generally screw up matches.

And of course, no, it doesn't make Riot criminal, I don't get why people have such a hard time understanding that. You bought the rp, transaction completed, you used said rp to get skins. You don't eat at a resturant for years, get 86'D and say, "well I want all my money back for the years I came here and ate." doesn't work that way, same with this game.

You lost your privilege to use that account, because you do not own the account.

Stop with these posts, suck up your punishment and either make a new one and don't be toxic or stop playing all together.

Raeyxx2/23/2018, 1:20:13 AM1 votes

They actually tried something similar to a permanent chat restriction thing a long time ago. Back in waybackland, people just got continually stacking chat bans. Basically, people would reach levels where they would be banned for months on end.

It didn't work. People decided to grief in other ways and just made the game even more hellish. So, that's why Riot doesn't bother with anything outside 25-games chat restrictions. People don't learn. They just escalate crap through other means.