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Does Riot Take in user opinion on the automated ban System?

SchwiftyLord·7/7/2018, 2:20:30 PM·2 votes·1,813 views

Title pretty much says it all. I think the ban system has morphed the community into one where player's act more victimized than ever. If the chat can only be used to give compliments, why not just get rid of the chat and let us use thumb's up emote?

I was playing a game as an ADC, and most of the time I use the chat to help us get to a victory. For strategizing and working with my teammates. Most of the time my supports are civil people. I tell this support that we need to play in the minion wave, because Thresh will keep hooking us.

He gets all upset in the chat, mutes me. Then proceeds to flame me all game while I'm muted. Rallies the team to ban me.

And now I'm permanently banned. Not one swear word in my chat log.

To be honest, I understand the ban algorithm, but why even have the chat, if sending 3 messages consecutively can pickup the ban filter? We can't express ourselves without running the risk of a ban. Why have the a chat where people can express themselves, and then ban people for that?

Clearly it's bringing out the worst in players. "You are among 0.0006% of players negative enough to be permanently banned." That's funny I see players all the time swearing and flaming. It's like on average 2 players a match. This is just a false statistic, or a very misleading one. Likely not the true value of "toxic" players in the active community. Maybe out of all accounts ever made.

My point is, this system of banning doesn't reform players and doesn't improve player's attitudes. It just gives people a tool to threaten players that they don't even know. Instead of a positive community, I go into games where players are using the report function as a threat and getting others to use it too bully other players.

How is this helping? We have a mute function, I'd say leave it at that. A toxic player is just going to make another account anyway, and be more spiteful.

Or at least make permanent mute, why ban I player who isn't griefing?

Anyways that's my rant. No doubt anyone will listen. I get it people are more thinned-skin these days, but this just seems more like an attempt to get people to make a new account and rebuy their skins, than an attempt of ridding the community of toxicity.

THanks

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Voldymort7/7/2018, 3:09:42 PM7 votes

He gets all upset in the chat, mutes me. Then proceeds to flame me all game while I'm muted. Rallies the team to ban me.

even if all 9 people were to report you for an entire season every time you played the game, if you did nothing wrong, nothing will happen. report pressure is not a thing

And now I'm permanently banned. Not one swear word in my chat log.

prove it! show chatlogs!

To be honest, I understand the ban algorithm,

based on what you said so far, i highly doubt it

but why even have the chat, if sending 3 messages consecutively can pickup the ban filter?

it depends what you send

We can't express ourselves without running the risk of a ban. Why have the a chat where people can express themselves, and then ban people for that?

you can express yourself just fine without being toxic

"You are among 0.0006% of players negative enough to be permanently banned." That's funny I see players all the time swearing and flaming. It's like on average 2 players a match. This is just a false statistic, or a very misleading one. Likely not the true value of "toxic" players in the active community. Maybe out of all accounts ever made.

because you said so?

unless you have some actual arguments that disprove it other than "because i said so", i suggest you keep your nay-saying to yourself

My point is, this system of banning doesn't reform players and doesn't improve player's attitudes. It just gives people a tool to threaten players that they don't even know. Instead of a positive community, I go into games where players are using the report function as a threat and getting others to use it too bully other players.

invalid reports dont do anything, no matter how many they are

Or at least make permanent mute, why ban I player who isn't griefing?

they tried that. it didn't solve the problem. it just replaced it with another because typically the ones who were muted found other ways to ruin a game

I get it people are more thinned-skin

no comment

Jamaree7/7/2018, 2:27:13 PM6 votes

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Title pretty much says it all. I think the ban system has morphed the community into one where player's act more victimized than ever. If the chat can only be used to give compliments, why not just get rid of the chat and let us use thumb's up emote?

Because people still actively use it for other things like communication and enemy placement.

I was playing a game as an ADC, and most of the time I use the chat to help us get to a victory. For strategizing and working with my teammates. Most of the time my supports are civil people. I tell this support that we need to play in the minion wave, because Thresh will keep hooking us.

Hence why the chat is still a thing.

He gets all upset in the chat, mutes me. Then proceeds to flame me all game while I'm muted. Rallies the team to ban me.

Now did you say "Hey, we need to play in the minion wave to risk not getting hooked." OR did you say "Holy shit you idiot, play in the fucking minion wave."

Because one gets you banned, the other one doesn't.

And now I'm permanently banned. Not one swear word in my chat log.

Post your chat logs.

To be honest, I understand the ban algorithm, but why even have the chat, if sending 3 messages consecutively can pickup the ban filter? We can't express ourselves without running the risk of a ban. Why have the a chat where people can express themselves, and then ban people for that?

You have the right to express yourself, just like how they have the right to report you for hurting their experience.

Clearly it's bringing out the worst in players. "You are among 0.0006% of players negative enough to be permanently banned." That's funny I see players all the time swearing and flaming. It's like on average 2 players a match. This is just a false statistic, or a very misleading one. Likely not the true value of "toxic" players in the active community. Maybe out of all accounts ever made.

Swearing is fine, swearing has never gotten you banned, you can curse like a sailor all day and never even see a chat restriction. I personally constantly says fuck and shit and have never gotten a warning, it is when you start point it at people that they report you for it.

My point is, this system of banning doesn't reform players and doesn't improve player's attitudes. It just gives people a tool to threaten players that they don't even know. Instead of a positive community, I go into games where players are using the report function as a threat and getting others to use it too bully other players.

Ignore them, who cares if they threaten to report you, you say it yourself, you have a mute function.

How is this helping? We have a mute function, I'd say leave it at that. A toxic player is just going to make another account anyway, and be more spiteful.

Why didn't you?

Or at least make permanent mute, why ban I player who isn't griefing?

They tried that, it failed as the toxic players just used other means to be toxic.

Anyways that's my rant. No doubt anyone will listen. I get it people are more thinned-skin these days, but this just seems more like an attempt to get people to make a new account and rebuy their skins, than an attempt of ridding the community of toxicity.

THanks

They have tried plenty of other methods, less harsh and slower scaling punishments, perma mutes, reformation, all of them failed with the people dead set on being toxic go out of their way to be as toxic as possible no matter what. Some people are just assholes and will use every excuse to not blame themselves or have so little self control they would rather rip into their allies then realize people fuck up, that is just what happens.

Scuttle7/7/2018, 3:15:54 PM4 votes

The system was literally built by analyzing the games of the tribunal and finding what the PLAYERS thought was punishable. In fact, it evolves based on what people report.

So yes, it does take user opinion into account. It's built on user opinion.

EvilDustMan7/7/2018, 2:24:29 PM3 votes

Chat logs