Bans and Negative Behavior

The Obamatar··1 votes·1,959 views

I am at this time of writing a player in possession of four permanently banned accounts. I come to you, not as a 'reformed' player nor someone seeking absolution. I do not apologize for the behavior that earned my bans nor do I regret a single word typed. What I come to discuss in a very calm and mature manner is what Banning is, how it actually impacts league of legends and what any would be a more suitable solution.

First off. I have had four accounts permabanned for 'toxic behavior' if you'd like to research these accounts they are TheObamatar A dead champion A dead champ I stopped caring

two of these accounts were level thirty with over 200 dollars invested in skins and RP, all the accounts had some minor amount of skins, the obamatar having Pulsfire Ezreal and Spiritguard Udyr among them. The actual banning order was

A dead champ A dead champion The Obamatar I stopped caring

I presently have two week bans on other accounts but I'm not going to mention them for fear of being preemptively banned, because I don't trust riot not to do that. Regardless all of these accounts were banned for repeated counts of 'toxic' behavior. If anyone wishes for me to provide logs I happily will. As I said above I do not regret my behavior or my words because I chose them of my own will. If we do not claim responsibility for our actions even at the worst of times we can not call ourselves human beings, being a philosophy I hold very dear.

To the meat of the discussion though, What is a ban, a ban is obviouslly losing access to an account and all content contained however when you look deeper than that, what does a ban restrict access too? Skins and Champs, the skills gained from playing those accounts is transative you can not remove my experience no matter how little or insignifigant. So then in essence a ban is the removal of 'perks' of an account in good standing. The effects of a ban are literally as long as it takes for you to make a new account. I can regain skins, I can regain champs, I can regain a rank the account is merely a means to an end. So I ask you, what is a ban to someone like me but a temporary inconvenience.

So if I am only momentarily inconvenienced by a ban, who does a ban actually affect? Well when you break it down a ban affects three people primarily. First it affects the playerbase, that toxic and now vindictive player is free in the lower levels, to my knowledge it only takes a week to reach 30 again with some XP boosts. That toxic player is now toxicing it up in normal unranked matches generally making the game miserable in one of two ways. The hyper carry smurf or the "I'm a smurf" type of player neither are enjoyable to be on or against. The hypercarry messes up your team dynamic placing one overlyskilled player in the role of captain and commander and anyone who doesn't listen is 'feeding' likewise the "I'm a smurf" player doesn't care if they're toxic, afk, troll, or just make life miserable because they aren't there to learn they're there to just get to 30. (This note aside for general trolls who just aren't included in that formula). Second it affects the community because as we have seen toxic smurfs become the law of the land for normals and unranked games most of which take unranked games more seriously than ranked promotions and flame their team mates for honestly new mistakes or off meta picks. The community suffers when you ban a toxic player only for them to smurf a new account because you haven't deducted your toxic player, you've only bred a toxic culture that keeps stagnating and recycling. Lastly and perhaps the most important on who bans effect, perhaps the most, Riot. Bans are lucrative income for Riot as a means of stripping away a players account, skins, and champions not to mention Boosts and name changes, riot tends to profit the most off of banned players who simply don't start over and want their "main" champion back. Riot's revenue is probably comprised of figures with something like 'smurf' accounts being more than fourty percent of their revenue over new champ releases and new players buying rp. Because realistically very rarely do new players buy RP, perhaps they find a champ they like and want a skin but the way riot has designed hextech they don't actually have to spend any money. New players aren't buying champs from start, smurfs are now there may be a small playerbase who do buy RP immediately after making an account and to them I am sorry if I overlooked you, but putting politics aside, Riot stands to profit the most of Permabanns on accounts.

Now I've offered my opinion of the problem what about the solution. The way I see it there are three ways to descentivize toxic people from making new accounts.

  1. Toxic Mode: A mode filled entirely with toxic accounts, no bans, no restrictions, just utter sewage of the league community. This works as a better reform than making a 'toxic' player bitter, by forcing them to play with truly horrible people they will likely be so 'scared straight' as to never go back to that horrible mode again. As for permabanned people, lock them in there forever, let them keep all their stuff, but only play with horribly toxic people like themselves. Can they still make a smurf, yes, but why would someone not being gated from playing their account make a 'toxic smurf' the problem seems to settle itself. However league doesn't really benefit from this model, since the smurfs won't be buying their old champs and skins

  2. Remove Leveling: This is a pretty broad but short term solution that works in everyone's favor. Removing leveling removes the introduction of toxic smurfs back into the system contaminating new players. If everyone starts out able to play any mode, with all masteries and runes unlocked, toxic smurfs will ALWAYS go back into ranked and just start a vicious cylce of banned/smurf/banned/smurf. Seeing as this will likely only affect bronze to silver elo it wouldn't effect your pro scene and smurfs would still need to purchase skins and champs so riot will still profit but the community will not suffer.

  3. Unranked Elo: This is perhaps the screwiest suggestion but there is already a system in place to judge a players skill via win losses, riot is SUPPOSED to matchmake according to that but we've all had those games, the system is imperfect. By implementing an invisible unranked elo, smurfs who constantly hyper carry will generally filter up to meet other hyper carry smurfs. new players will generally settle into lower elo's that's just how it works. This will remove the people who are smurfing to level, smurfing because of ban, and smurfs in general which make leveling a generally TORTUROUS experience, in their own special bracket.

In the end, I don't think Riot will ever completely nullify the impacts bans have on everyone but the banned, either by lack of will or lack of ability not sure. But I think that is important to consider alternative methods of player correction for a more expansive and steadily stagnating player base. Professional streamers have commented about the lack of new blood, people complain all the time about how every mode but the weekly mode and summoners is filled with bots. There are legitimate problems with the two week/ permabanning system and I would love a discussion on what could be done better or what could fix the system. Please, PLEASE do not post below with riot rhetoric about how it works. I am if anything proof it does not work and I know there are hundreds if not thousands like me across the world. Banning does not solve toxicity it only removes the toxic account not the player.

51 Comments

ModThe Djinn5 votes

Riot's revenue is probably comprised of figures with something like 'smurf' accounts being more than fourty percent of their revenue over new champ releases and new players buying rp.

This is pretty untrue, if you talk to Rioters. I believe most of the revenue comes from skin purchases and, while some of it is from smurfs, only a VERY small margin of players are banned and then spend serious amounts of money again.

The "Riot bans players to make money" idea is, effectively, a conspiracy theory. The "banned players repurchasing content" income is such an insignificant portion of their income that it barely matters.

The Obamatar1 votes

I really wish people would read before posting. I said 3 people are impacted, I never said it was the primary reason. To deny that riot makes any money off of smurfing is delusional, to accuse them of only making money off of banned smurfs is paranoid. I made a mention that technically they do profit off of bans, not that they get all their money or as you so eloquently put it "Riot bans players to make money" Please comprehend before contributing to a conversation as that added nothing. as for the figures yes they are speculation but I lack any data to make an informed decision so I went for a moderate observation.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Obamatar,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Aj4WvbE0,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2017-05-24T02:32:04.203+0000)I really wish people would read before posting. I said 3 people are impacted, I never said it was the primary reason. To deny that riot makes any money off of smurfing is delusional, to accuse them of only making money off of banned smurfs is paranoid. I made a mention that technically they do profit off of bans...

To quote you:

Bans are lucrative income for Riot... Riot stands to profit the most of Permabanns on accounts...

I'm pointing out that it's far from lucrative -- it's a drop in the bucket for them. You'll also notice that I never mentioned that I thought you said it was a primary reason for a ban either -- just that the idea that Riot is thinking about money when banning is far from accurate. :)

The Obamatar1 votes

The actual quote of that is

Riot's revenue is probably comprised of figures with something like 'smurf' accounts being more than fourty percent of their revenue over new champ releases and new players buying rp. Because realistically very rarely do new players buy RP, perhaps they find a champ they like and want a skin but the way riot has designed hextech they don't actually have to spend any money. New players aren't buying champs from start, smurfs are now there may be a small playerbase who do buy RP immediately after making an account and to them I am sorry if I overlooked you, but putting politics aside, Riot stands to profit the most of Permabanns on accounts.

OVER NEW CHAMP RELEASES AND NEW PLAYERS BUYING RP a specific subgenre of their income sources from non banned players, SPECIFICALLY new players buying rp.

Context for the quote you provided

OF THE THREE INDIVIDUALS riot stands to profit the most, above the community and the playerbase. Again, comprehension please.

Automated Riven1 votes

Also I have spent nearly 1100 dollars on my account and I have never been banned in an attempt to cause me to spend more money.

The Obamatar1 votes

no one ever correlated that people were being banned to force people to spend more money. That was not something anyone said, what was said that of the three people who were affected by bans Riot was the only one that stood to profit.

Deep Terror Nami4 votes

If anyone wishes for me to provide logs I happily will

Yes, please provide those. Thank you.

The Obamatar1 votes

Happily! be warned I was toxic I am not refuting that or trying to excuse myself.

Game 1 The Obamatar: omen into ayss? The Obamatar: only time naut The Obamatar: boo The Obamatar: that is why tank supports suck The Obamatar: i have no means to actually assist you The Obamatar: yeah just land a shot because I'm missing them on purpose The Obamatar: lucian The Obamatar: whatever The Obamatar: everyone's going to tell me whatever I need to do anyway not recognizing that you are losing every engage The Obamatar: nope The Obamatar: this is why I hate tank supports The Obamatar: unless the adc is really great you are useles The Obamatar: .. fucking The Obamatar: yas is throwing anyway doesn't matter The Obamatar: no its you The Obamatar: if you're being ganked play safe The Obamatar: playing better is learning not to repeat the same mistakes The Obamatar: welp this is over The Obamatar: we're now going to get blamed for a roam an entire map away The Obamatar: this yasuo is just plain stupid The Obamatar: not with yas feeding like this The Obamatar: yas just leashed drake The Obamatar: he is making incredibly stupid decisions The Obamatar: bot gone The Obamatar: going to let cat out brb 1 min The Obamatar: back The Obamatar: Cool thanks for the reportable quinn knew you weren't a good person The Obamatar: Only people who deserve it like you The Obamatar: Don't worry instantfeed back will The Obamatar: please lucian just go afk The Obamatar: so we can force the surrender The Obamatar: if you're going to lag off like that its basically feeding The Obamatar: if this dude is lagging he's moving at a slideshow pace and is going to feed, if he isn't he's really bad and blaming lag, how The Obamatar: yeah this looks really worth more time The Obamatar: yas just used a scanner under tower The Obamatar: do I need to point out how stupid that is The Obamatar: of course The Obamatar: this is why we needed the afk The Obamatar: well, then stop feeding them The Obamatar: poppy and I are the only ones not The Obamatar: and poppy bails out like normal The Obamatar: Report naut for not wanting to play a tank but being forced to and trying his best with a lagging adc a feeding mid and a whining top. The Obamatar: This poppy is a special level of stupid Game 2 The Obamatar: please stop getting grabbed The Obamatar: there is no hope for ashe The Obamatar: she just keeps The Obamatar: running into his pulls The Obamatar: hey jinx free kill! The Obamatar: Good lord you suck The Obamatar: No really you missed ult and flashed and didn't even get the kill The Obamatar: or turret The Obamatar: well ashe you are again useless The Obamatar: why do I get stuck withd ead weight The Obamatar: can we report this ashe The Obamatar: this is fucking just silly The Obamatar: Luckily my adc sucks more The Obamatar: this ashe is fucking embarassing ult you dumb shit The Obamatar: wtf The Obamatar: something wrong with this dumb bitch The Obamatar: can you please report ashe, this is ungoldy if its not intentional they are jacking someone's account The Obamatar: wont matter we have no adc The Obamatar: beyond fucking retarded The Obamatar: Christ why do I always get the happy team that doesn't realise when we're basically without a damage or tank The Obamatar: And that makes ashe suck royal balls and not able to hit a god damn thing and both top and jungle build tank, WELL golly gee fuck me with a spoon if I knew I had that power I'd of abused it more often The Obamatar: stupid people man The Obamatar: You didn't go anything except stupid ashe The Obamatar: Garuntee at end of game I have higher damage than you The Obamatar: Yes my support shaco makes my jungle and adc play retarded, Astounding The Obamatar: again we have no fucking damage The Obamatar: because of me right? The Obamatar: its all my support shacoing The Obamatar: How do you blame ashe on me The Obamatar: Fucking idiots who play this game Game 3 The Obamatar: well dick ran the wrong masteries The Obamatar: guess I'll be a tanky adc The Obamatar: its not that bad The Obamatar: just a matter of knowing how to use it The Obamatar: you know stone also makes me take less damage aswell The Obamatar: legit might of kept morg alive lol The Obamatar: how is a blitz this bad grabbing you? The Obamatar: back no glory The Obamatar: its fine The Obamatar: I got two sups The Obamatar: oh only one damn lol The Obamatar: its chill better than them getting away The Obamatar: we can pressure The Obamatar: lol The Obamatar: bond of stone ftw The Obamatar: why go back The Obamatar: lol The Obamatar: yep The Obamatar: small mistakes like that add up The Obamatar: gotta keep any advantage we get The Obamatar: bond of stone lol The Obamatar: we got first back off The Obamatar: Jesus christ your sad lol The Obamatar: lol The Obamatar: HA The Obamatar: That was blind The Obamatar: we can't get riven and the rest together make due with what you have don't scream for what you want The Obamatar: shaco is going to split The Obamatar: because no one is stopping him The Obamatar: nunu freaking help The Obamatar: just let him go if we lose we lost putting up a good fight The Obamatar: sometimes you get shit team mates The Obamatar: i can't carry The Obamatar: no i can't The Obamatar: i know my limits The Obamatar: lol don't adc is my worst role The Obamatar: riven do something other than feed please The Obamatar: no his missing chromosome is The Obamatar: i was carrying The Obamatar: then you fed shaco and nunu quit The Obamatar: and every engage you wimp out and leave me and morg to do it The Obamatar: no we wouldn't of The Obamatar: you were still feeding shaco The Obamatar: way to feed riven

Game 1 I Stopped Caring: oh my god its a trundle support I Stopped Caring: thank you merciful jesus I Stopped Caring: alright thanks I Stopped Caring: If you could its my promos I Stopped Caring: See name I Stopped Caring: See above statement I Stopped Caring: its fine that was good I Stopped Caring: we got 2 for 1 I Stopped Caring: and now xin has unopposed jungle I Stopped Caring: ashe is pretty bad at csing I Stopped Caring: i died and I'm equal to her I Stopped Caring: ult when you have it I Stopped Caring: i have I Stopped Caring: oh well they have no actual ability I Stopped Caring: i'm kinda sad I'm playing against such trash I Stopped Caring: You guys really are trash I Stopped Caring: You are I Stopped Caring: Its pretty obvious you have no clue or ability I Stopped Caring: You're all toxic, that's a shame I Stopped Caring: like I said, trash I Stopped Caring: heimer why I Stopped Caring: we can herald I Stopped Caring: jax I Stopped Caring: nm I Stopped Caring: heim I Stopped Caring: you guys just fucked us over I Stopped Caring: why spread why not take a fucking bluie I Stopped Caring: fucking save me I Stopped Caring: the shit I have to deal with I Stopped Caring: rakan is legit a beast sup though I Stopped Caring: puk I Stopped Caring: pull it out! I Stopped Caring: low intelligence dive lol I Stopped Caring: they ain't scrapin 150 I Stopped Caring: they're a dive comp I Stopped Caring: stop trying to fight them lol I Stopped Caring: jesus I Stopped Caring: you're retardedxin I Stopped Caring: Because I get leaped on the second yall decide to not peel? I Stopped Caring: should I run into them? I Stopped Caring: nobody is peeling I Stopped Caring: I can't do that when they jump me I Stopped Caring: do you grasp english? I Stopped Caring: our mid and jungle are awful I Stopped Caring: running into ashe W? I Stopped Caring: our best bet is to let xin push I Stopped Caring: help me you fucking dumbshits I Stopped Caring: every fucking time I Stopped Caring: you run off and let them dive me I Stopped Caring: talon WAS ON MY ASS I Stopped Caring: then why the fuck are you in ranked I Stopped Caring: retarded xin I Stopped Caring: none of you fucking do anything I Stopped Caring: you sit mid with your thumb up your fucking ass I Stopped Caring: and run into teamfights I Stopped Caring: instead of stoping a wave I Stopped Caring: you are fucking autistic I Stopped Caring: but you peel for fucking heimer I Stopped Caring: should of known retards all matches every team I Stopped Caring: will you fucking ever learn I Stopped Caring: apparently not Game 2 I Stopped Caring: Lol k I Stopped Caring: Well you did not do that I Stopped Caring: lol what I Stopped Caring: she walked into it I didn't do anything I Stopped Caring: Dude, you walked into my turret I Stopped Caring: have you a single inch of ground to stand on? I Stopped Caring: lol why I Stopped Caring: lol really? I Stopped Caring: redic I Stopped Caring: all my stacks and we could of had a drag I Stopped Caring: freeing up herald I Stopped Caring: where the fuck is our jungle I Stopped Caring: i qued for ranked right... I Stopped Caring: why is everyone in this match so bad lol I Stopped Caring: this isn't bronze I Stopped Caring: its unranked I Stopped Caring: WHAT IS THIS GAME!? I Stopped Caring: Um you died more to us than ali I Stopped Caring: WHAT IS THIS GAME!? I Stopped Caring: You're toxic I Stopped Caring: I see why he left I Stopped Caring: I'm just going to honor him and report you I Stopped Caring: Do you enjoy being toxic? I Stopped Caring: Does it get you anything? I Stopped Caring: Nope I Stopped Caring: Lol I Stopped Caring: better than you I Stopped Caring: or you know I'm just a good sup I Stopped Caring: Good lord you're toxic lol

The Obamatar1 votes

Game 1 A dead champ: if you're gonna bitch me all game I'm just muting you now A dead champ: if you're not confident enough to carry then don't adc A dead champ: probably because she doesn't want to play with whiners A dead champ: gg leblanc ww is having a hissy fit along with 90% of my team so bad kat left A dead champ: These whine baby players A dead champ: Nah you're good yas A dead champ: I said 90 A dead champ: god damn ww you are fucking awful A dead champ: boosted ass lucian and ww A dead champ: fucking suck but flame other people who can play A dead champ: got it A dead champ: he won't ult when it can secure a kill so don't engage A dead champ: he can't hit me A dead champ: it was close I didn't account for mr A dead champ: told you he's crap A dead champ: dude np A dead champ: guess what ww and luc were total garbage A dead champ: thats why they can criticise others A dead champ: yas red A dead champ: for the love of christ lucian ULT A dead champ: fucking boosted ape lucian A dead champ: dude bugs happen its no huge deal A dead champ: if luc and ww didn't feed like shit we'd be in a much better spot A dead champ: ww A dead champ: and luc A dead champ: HOLY SHIT HE ACTUALLY ULTED! A dead champ: everyone did except lucian who did fucknothing and ran A dead champ: i'm so happy I muted this fucktard at match start A dead champ: i can't imagine the baby rage A dead champ: yeah ww fed her pretty hard A dead champ: then she just roamed us A dead champ: fucking 3v7's right A dead champ: just mute em yas, nothing they say is at all intelligent A dead champ: i don't have to be able to see it to know it A dead champ: boosted ass lucian walking in and getting them a stun A dead champ: wish I had an adc that actually knew how to play Game 2 A dead champ: ah fucking finally A dead champ: soraka I notice you have no fucking useful summoners? A dead champ: exhaust, heal? A dead champ: fuck ignite? A dead champ: my game fucked up you clown A dead champ: what a shitbird A dead champ: Yo can you please report our soraka, running Flash Teleport, badmouthing me since start and just a negative person A dead champ: Also taking cs for no reason other than they're a petulant child A dead champ: yeah well I have a bad lane A dead champ: we need babysitting because soraka is being a baby A dead champ: why do I get the menstrual fucks A dead champ: yeah nunu don't expect help from her A dead champ: she needs to fucking afk A dead champ: Yeah because she's a baby I told you she's been doing it since select A dead champ: She's inting and flaming A dead champ: I can't do shit but at least I'm trying A dead champ: I mean look at her sums she wasn't supporting anyone... A dead champ: i'm sorry nunu I really can't do anything its so far out of my hand A dead champ: i can't defend a tower A dead champ: you don't want my help man A dead champ: I'll just feed your lane A dead champ: why do I get the fucking children today A dead champ: every "new jungler" "Main filling" and just fucking downsyndrome retard in league ends up as my support A dead champ: here's a tip for you soraka, don't play, nobody wants to play with you A dead champ: you are literally the worst thing about everyone's day A dead champ: soraka A dead champ: rumble have you paid any attention to the whole game A dead champ: when soraka was inting, trolling, flaming and flat feeding me to them? A dead champ: dude I CAN'T STOP DRAVEN A dead champ: what do you want me to do stand at base? A dead champ: he dives me A dead champ: thats why I have 0/8 A dead champ: i can't do shit Game 3 A dead champ: What.. is your comp? A dead champ: Soul hurts A dead champ: care soraka is silver A dead champ: kayle heal? A dead champ: okay so I'm alone then A dead champ: kayle just leave A dead champ: if you're not gonna support me go I can level faster A dead champ: this fucking kayle A dead champ: can you report my kayle, will literally not even heal me A dead champ: this fucking kayle A dead champ: kayle don't ever play please A dead champ: fucking retarded useless shit A dead champ: kayle fucking go away A dead champ: i'm not playing if this dipshit won't leave A dead champ: they're just fucking my lane up and I can out level yi and soraka if they weren't here A dead champ: useless fucking piece of shit kayle if you would of just left the god damn lane A dead champ: before they became completely fed because you don't fucking support or do anything for anyone A dead champ: fuck why did you que A dead champ: no unfortunately I'm stuck here for five more minutes at least and if I'm not some level of toxic you won't agree to surrender A dead champ: because I can't just politely go "Oh we're really outmatched we should give up" A dead champ: kayle honestly did nothing wrong I just got out played but if I'm not a vile piece of trash nobody wants to end a bad game ever A dead champ: sorry you're illiterate then garen A dead champ: ... see this is why I start being toxic once I know the game is lost, cause yall never just want to save some time and move on A dead champ: good then lose A dead champ: kayle let it push in yi can murder us A dead champ: behind tower is literally our only chance A dead champ: duh

Game 1 A Dead Champion: look the person who said they can carry sucks A Dead Champion: what an unexpected turn of events A Dead Champion: Please report sivir A Dead Champion: Banned my cait A Dead Champion: Report yas too, feeding A Dead Champion: But its okay because YAS CAN SOLO CARRY lol A Dead Champion: Doesn't rightly matter who said that, banning cait was a cuck move we're going to lose so why not let me get my mastery? A Dead Champion: What's so funny zed? A Dead Champion: Well I kinda don't like my team A Dead Champion: So the faster this ends the faster I get back to my cait mastery farming A Dead Champion: unlucky A Dead Champion: Please report this bad sivir that can't even spell shield Illaoi w A Dead Champion: Think you can force a 20 min surrender? A Dead Champion: Apparently not A Dead Champion: What a stupid team A Dead Champion: Maybe for you this is absoultely worthless to me A Dead Champion: Waste of my time A Dead Champion: Comeon zed kill me more so you can solo carry and end this shitshow A Dead Champion: Because they're asshats A Dead Champion: No that's the reason A Dead Champion: I was going to cait jungle and they didn't want me to have any fun so sivir banned her A Dead Champion: Because she's an asshat A Dead Champion: There's no greater reason "I didn't want to let someone else have fun" A Dead Champion: Its still some mastery A Dead Champion: I get nothing from this A Dead Champion: This is an utter waste of my time A Dead Champion: And of course they won't ff so we can move on A Dead Champion: Oh well dude looks like no one's having a fun game today, this game isn't designed to be fun A Dead Champion: Please end A Dead Champion: Team too dumb to ff A Dead Champion: HOW!? A Dead Champion: Yeah to do that A Dead Champion: Report the person held hostage A Dead Champion: Good logic A Dead Champion: I didn't give up I've played every single second A Dead Champion: I just want it over A Dead Champion: Did I afk draven? A Dead Champion: Is being smart enough to realize a losing battle reportable, wow league is really geared towards idiots then A Dead Champion: Any possible enjoyment of this game has been taken from me A Dead Champion: So why should I want to prolong it A Dead Champion: You're just dumb draven Game 2 A Dead Champion: what are runes? A Dead Champion: if you have to ask you'll never know A Dead Champion: you suck A Dead Champion: I love when I get unhelpful supports that take cs, don't know how to ward or position, really makes my job a lot easier A Dead Champion: thanks for pushing the wave on back genius A Dead Champion: you really have no clue don't you A Dead Champion: please gank A Dead Champion: okay I'm done A Dead Champion: team isn't ready for ranked A Dead Champion: Gg better team A Dead Champion: I'm done A Dead Champion: Fuck off candyass A Dead Champion: playaing re:chain of memories A Dead Champion: thresh has no idea how to freeze because he's bad A Dead Champion: so he keeps pushing out towards them A Dead Champion: Thresh legit doesn't know how to play A Dead Champion: At a basic BOT level A Dead Champion: ditto A Dead Champion: plus this moron keeps taking my cs and destrying my freeze A Dead Champion: i have no recovery mechanic A Dead Champion: lol I'm expected to do everything for you idiots A Dead Champion: ping me more A Dead Champion: why would I group into a deathmatch A Dead Champion: fucking use your heads A Dead Champion: its 4v5 why? A Dead Champion: jesus christ the people who play this game A Dead Champion: if you cant play with people, play with bots A Dead Champion: develop some social skills jesus A Dead Champion: oh now its 3v5 A Dead Champion: christ A Dead Champion: fuck it

The Obamatar1 votes

Those are the logs that I can access I don't have previous game logs, those are the "last offenses"

Jo0o4 votes

Jeez. Props for at least putting in some page breaks, but that's still quite the manifesto to read through. And not gonna lie, the preface of "I've been banned four times and am not sorry for anything I did to earn those bans" makes me pretty reluctant to actually read it.

The Obamatar1 votes

Then that is really your own fallacy, to discredit the opinion of 'convicts' is a totalitarian mindset.

Jo0o3 votes

To refer to yourself as a "convict", in quotations no less, and displaying no understanding/remorse/regret for the actions you took to get yourself banned FOUR TIMES, is pretty disturbing stuff.

The Obamatar1 votes

I was raised not to conceal the truth or lie to people so I lack the necessary social tools to address the issues I see without being 'abrasive' or 'harsh'. I also respond poorly to aggression or when politeness doesn't work I immediately resort to aggression. I am by no means a very social person and what little I am required to interact with is kept very restrained, where as league requires communication but some people won't listen. I take equal blame in my own punishment as what I regard as a snowflake community.

and yes people who are toxic are treated like convicts in the league community. There is an obvious bias against those who are reforming and those who have never been punished, an elitism that is dangerous and detrimental to the community as a whole. That you are disturbed by my natural personality and my unwillingness to apologize for it is a microcausm display of this. I am not a bad person nor have I committed any crime but I can still 'disturb' you. That's an interesting reaction to someone who said 'mean' things on a video game.

EvilDustMan4 votes

Have you tried not being toxic?

The Obamatar1 votes

No because I don't care if I'm toxic or not, not the point of the discussion. Have you tried being not being irrelevant?

Paquay1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Obamatar,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Aj4WvbE0,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2017-05-26T17:03:27.421+0000)

Have you tried being not being irrelevant?

Oh we have a smart flamer here folks!

The Obamatar1 votes

Better than the alternative and the initial comment which was flaming to being with wasn't that clever or intelligent so I beat them down with something I know they don't possess, wit

Paquay1 votes

Yes, that "wit" comes through so clearly with your impeccable use of grammar.

The Obamatar1 votes

So are you going to contribute to the conversation or just be some asshole who trolls and flames? Because you know that's toxic, and being toxic can get you banned

CheapKill3 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Obamatar,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Aj4WvbE0,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-05-24T01:39:16.517+0000)

II presently have two week bans on other accounts but I'm not going to mention them >for fear of being preemptively banned, because I don't trust riot not to do that.

Riot already knows the names of those accounts so.... yeah. They know all of your accounts.

The Obamatar1 votes

well I have over 10 accounts, and not banned on any of them, so you must either be wrong or misinformed.

CheapKill2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Obamatar,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Aj4WvbE0,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2017-05-24T02:33:13.183+0000)

well I have over 10 accounts, and not banned on any of them, so you must either be wrong or misinformed.

And they won't permaban them until they deemed those accounts worthy of it.

The Obamatar1 votes

I'm not convinced riot wouldn't pre-emptively ban someone who released their smurf's name. But let's agree that yes they won't ban an account until they deem that account in need of a ban but... shouldn't a permaban be, you know Permanent from the game, having more than one kinda mocks the entire system.

CheapKill2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Obamatar,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Aj4WvbE0,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-24T03:34:34.973+0000)

I'm not convinced riot wouldn't pre-emptively ban someone who released their smurf's name. But let's agree that yes they won't ban an account until they deem that account in need of a ban but... shouldn't a permaban be, you know Permanent from the game, having more than one kinda mocks the entire system.

You can't really permanently stop someone from playing your game or going to your website. There is always a way to get in, if you are referring to an ip ban they don't do that anymore seeing as how multiple people can be using that ip address and I also believe there was a case where A campus student got ip banned so no one on campus could play the game.

The Obamatar1 votes

I wasn't referring to an IP ban but more an analysis algorithm, something like pandroa's musical DNA. Most banned players will name similarly to their old account, or will use the same birthdate information, or other similarities that remain constant between the accounts. If a system could detect that they could flag suspicious accounts for review and analysis. of course Riot could also offer a bonus for "linking' your account to a master account and encourage smurfing but in a controlled environment but that's another discussion.

Jamaree1 votes

Neither of your three systems would work either.

  1. They don't want a toxic island, all that does is create a cesspool so that if you leave and make another account to not deal with it, will likely just drag your behavior with you.

  2. Except that wouldn't work in everyone's favor. You talk about new bloods to the game and how we need give them a place to grow, but by throwing them in with just every random person in the world, matching them up with like a Diamond player on their first day in isn't going to help, it is just gonna get their teeth kicked in and them getting bored and wanting to leave the game anyway. Ok, it only affects the lower brackets, should Riot NOT care about the lower level of players then is what you are saying?

  3. This is already a thing actually.

The Obamatar1 votes
  1. That's kind of the idea but toxic people don't stop playing because they meet other toxic people its supposed to be the 'scared straight' method of reform.

  2. its really no worse than hyper carry smurfs coming in pubstomping them in normals and making them feel like crap, and riot doesn't care about lower brackets they've pretty much made that evident with every design choice being modeled for high level play, you don't design for the lowest common denominator in moba you design for the top tier to trickle down. if you think Diamond smurfs aren't in normals you haven't tried leveling recently, its cancerous.

  3. Yes the system does exist is it implimented to the same effect as ranked is, no, no not at all, hyper carry smurfs are all too common for this system to actually be working, there is no way these smurf teams can win as many games as they do to be the same MMR as someone who has a rough 50% win rate. The system is very flawed and needs revision.

The Obamatar1 votes

I find it amusing that I asked for Suggestions on how to improve, and every post is "NO YOU'RE WRONG RIOT IS PERFECT YOUR IDEAS ARE NOT POSSIBLE" people who do not seek to improve, are doomed to stagnation which ultimately means death, even player reform should constantly be evaluated

Jamaree1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Obamatar,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Aj4WvbE0,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-24T02:38:30.490+0000)

  1. That's kind of the idea but toxic people don't stop playing because they meet other toxic people its supposed to be the 'scared straight' method of reform.

How would it scare them straight? If they were toxic, why would playing with other toxic players make them not be?

  1. its really no worse than hyper carry smurfs coming in pubstomping them in normals and making them feel like crap, and riot doesn't care about lower brackets they've pretty much made that evident with every design choice being modeled for high level play, you don't design for the lowest common denominator in moba you design for the top tier to trickle down. if you think Diamond smurfs aren't in normals you haven't tried leveling recently, its cancerous.

Of course they are, but then there are genuine games with all new players because of the leveling system. Just because they are there doesn't mean you throw away the one barrier because people get past. That is dumb as fuck. That would be like us tearing down our immigration walls because people sneak in, how does that make sense?

  1. Yes the system does exist is it implimented to the same effect as ranked is, no, no not at all, hyper carry smurfs are all too common for this system to actually be working, there is no way these smurf teams can win as many games as they do to be the same MMR as someone who has a rough 50% win rate. The system is very flawed and needs revision.

It does need revision, but your suggestions are for the worst, and not for the better and it wouldn't help anyone except the smurfs and continue to hurt the new players and only help smurfs and shit. What was the point of you pointing out the plight of the new players if your consensus on them is "Oh, fuck em."

The Obamatar1 votes

Most people accused of 'toxic' behavior are one time offenders who either tilted very hard or are generally just 'aggressive' individuals they don't have ill intention behind their words and one really bad slip up got them their punishment or a string of bad games. Regardless, to assume that every single person who ever got punished is 'incurably toxic' is fallacy. With the scared straight approach anyone who would reform will be disgusted by the glimpse at their 'required' game mode if they do not improve. Those that don't won't reintigrate into the system or will quit, or will and end right back where they are. You can't stop the cycle of smurfing but most smurfs banned for toxicity only start a new account because they have to, not taking away the account has a good chance to reduce the amount of smurfs in leveling brackets.

The number of genuine games is critically low compared to the hyper smurf games. Even if we assume half the people are lying I'd wager good money that there are more smurfs than authentically new players in draft mode MOST actually new players tend to either be in bots or blind. Also, yeah you should tear down immigration walls, the walls are a dumb as fuck idea, as you so eloquently put it and carry with them a racist isolationist agenda, Open borders are better than closed hearts

Then, why don't YOU actually SUGGEST something to IMPROVE it instead of shooting down my honest attempts at a solution? See the problem is that you aren't defending new players or smurfs, you're defending yourself. My consensus isn't 'fuck them' its "If we impliment an invisible tiered system naturally bad and new players will fall to the bottom as they do in ranked, the good players who are ALMOST ALWAYS SMURFING will rise to the top and allow the bad players to play against equal skill levels instead of being mud stomped a majority of their games, learning nothing, and likely being taught toxic behavior. The same reason you don't let toddlers play with high schoolers, Difference in experiences and expectations.

Jamaree1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Obamatar,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Aj4WvbE0,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-24T03:04:51.999+0000)

Most people accused of 'toxic' behavior are one time offenders who either tilted very hard or are generally just 'aggressive' individuals they don't have ill intention behind their words and one really bad slip up got them their punishment or a string of bad games.

That is just it, while the word toxic itself is diluted at this point, one bad slip up isn't enough to even get a warning, or even one bad game honestly.

Regardless, to assume that every single person who ever got punished is 'incurably toxic' is fallacy. With the scared straight approach anyone who would reform will be disgusted by the glimpse at their 'required' game mode if they do not improve.

What proof do you have that it will fix things though? What proof do you have that being sent to this prisoner island will magically and finally make them understand?

Those that don't won't reintigrate into the system or will quit, or will and end right back where they are.

How exactly is it better, creating a cesspool, going to make their reintegration easier or better?

You can't stop the cycle of smurfing but most smurfs banned for toxicity only start a new account because they have to, not taking away the account has a good chance to reduce the amount of smurfs in leveling brackets.

Ok, let's say they get placed in this island and don't like it, what is stopping them from just making the new account right then and there while still having their old toxic account?

The number of genuine games is critically low compared to the hyper smurf games. Even if we assume half the people are lying I'd wager good money that there are more smurfs than authentically new players in draft mode MOST actually new players tend to either be in bots or blind. Also, yeah you should tear down immigration walls, the walls are a dumb as fuck idea, as you so eloquently put it and carry with them a racist isolationist agenda, Open borders are better than closed hearts

I ask, where your proof of that is, and that isn't racist or isolationist in the slightest, I'm all for legal immigration, but that is a topic for another day and not the point of this post.

Then, why don't YOU actually SUGGEST something to IMPROVE it instead of shooting down my honest attempts at a solution?

Because I don't have a better idea, and there for, I'm not going to throw an idea at the wall and hope it sticks, especially when said idea has just as many problems and flaws and wouldn't help anyone besides toxic players honestly.

See the problem is that you aren't defending new players or smurfs, you're defending yourself.

How, for pointing out flaws with your idea instead of just basely agreeing with it?

My consensus isn't 'fuck them' its "If we impliment an invisible tiered system naturally bad and new players will fall to the bottom as they do in ranked,

Why do the new players deserved to get punished?

the good players who are ALMOST ALWAYS SMURFING will rise to the top and allow the bad players to play against equal skill levels instead of being mud stomped a majority of their games, learning nothing, and likely being taught toxic behavior.

I ask again, what about the new players?

The same reason you don't let toddlers play with high schoolers, Difference in experiences and expectations.

Except in this case, there will be people who don't want to play with high schoolers, who are those toddlers and don't want to get dicked that you seem to keep ignoring, and only point out when it advantageous to your own beliefs on said system.

The Obamatar1 votes

Yes it is, one racial slur will get you banned, and the concept of a bad night leading to a string of reportable games is fully realistic.

I don't have any proof these are theories I never said they would work only that something should be attempted.

Toxic players won't be incentivized to smurf because the truly toxic don't care if they have to play with other toxic people, the only people who care about toxic people existing are the thin skinned not toxic players. Group up the toxic players to protect the snowflakes is the idea of that strategy.

Nothing is stopping them but see above, most toxic players wouldn't be phased the only ones who would be phased were those who don't wish to play with toxic players and they would reform. Prisons aren't meant to punish criminals they're meant to protect civilians. You have the concept of player reform and player punishment confused.

You are hardly qualified to discuss immigration when you just made a statement supporting a wall. Honestly I'd rather stop conversing with you as you strike me as a rather low intelligence individual but I don't make judgements based off of a person's statements in any given conversation lacking proper context.

Then why respond. I remember asking for Suggestions and ideas not criticism and blatant riot apologist. You weren't required to participate in this conversation you chose to and now you're throwing anyone trying to actually problem solve under the bus because you either aren't willing or capable of coming up with a solution.

You're defending yourself because you're either afraid those system changes would affect you or are somehow benefiting from the current broken system. bringing up immigration you are afraid of illegal immigrants coming and taking your stuff if we remove the border wall. You aren't defending anyone with your statements just expressing your view, I'm trying to authentically make league a less cancerous experience for new players.

How do you consider new players being placed with low skill players bad. There are people who can execute mechanics and basic expectations and those who can't explain to me how matching new players with low skill players is punishing them, with this theory an incredibly talented new player could easily earn their way into the smurf tiers if they play well. your understanding is flawed thinking that anyone would be punished, properly organized yes, punished, no more than ranked does.

again new players will be challenged but not dominated, trodden underfoot of superior skilled players.

Can you read, I am genuinely asking you, can you read. Every statement you have made was from a cursory glance without context or meaning behind the words. RIGHT NOW THE TODDLERS ARE BEING MADE TO PLAY WITH THE HIGH SCHOOLERS YOU JUST DESCRIBED THE CURRENT SYSTEM WHERE SMURFING IS RUINING NORMAL GAMES, perhaps if I capslock you will actually read the whole idea.

You are an incredibly poor debater, you rely on lack of statistics which I can not realistically obtain nor provide and personal beliefs instead of analytical analysis. I do not care if I get placed against smurfs because I AM ONE I'm not plat or diamond but I can beat new players with little effort. The new players are getting dicked in the current system, look at the threads in player behavior labled "SMURFING" and such look at the evidence being presented and take a moment to consider the context of the conversation before you hammer out another hasty reply ignoring basic structure and comprehension of the words on your screen. You are making yourself look uneducated.

Jamaree1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Obamatar,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Aj4WvbE0,comment-id=000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-24T04:31:53.120+0000)

Yes it is, one racial slur will get you banned, and the concept of a bad night leading to a string of reportable games is fully realistic.

Only if it is incredibly incredibly bad. You would have to go on a hardcore tangent of flaming, hell, after the first bad game why wouldn't you just stop right then and there knowing you are about to tilt?

I don't have any proof these are theories I never said they would work only that something should be attempted.

Something should indeed be attempted, but without proof or any real basis on whether or not they will work isn't something you should push forward. You shouldn't just throw an idea forward without any real basis on it working or not, especially when the system is going to throw a set of players under the bus.

Toxic players won't be incentivized to smurf because the truly toxic don't care if they have to play with other toxic people, the only people who care about toxic people existing are the thin skinned not toxic players. Group up the toxic players to protect the snowflakes is the idea of that strategy.

Ok, let's say your system does magically and unrealistically make it so that the toxic smurfs don't smurf anymore, now I ask once again, what about the generally new players who will deal with the smurfs anyway, you know, players that aren't assholes but are smurfing?

Nothing is stopping them but see above, most toxic players wouldn't be phased the only ones who would be phased were those who don't wish to play with toxic players and they would reform. Prisons aren't meant to punish criminals they're meant to protect civilians. You have the concept of player reform and player punishment confused.

Actually, the point of prisons is to do both, it is supposed to protect the civilians as well as help the people inside reform, that is why they are at times also caused correctional facilities, they are meant to help people see the wrongs of what they have done and if their crimes aren't as heinous as murder, are there to help them reform. That is why we have similar systems in this game with the warning, chat restriction and temp ban system. Once again, besides the point, if they weren't phased by the warnings, the chat restrictions, the temps bans, and already playing with toxic players in their normal games, why would a prison island of some kind be that final push?

You are hardly qualified to discuss immigration when you just made a statement supporting a wall. Honestly I'd rather stop conversing with you as you strike me as a rather low intelligence individual but I don't make judgements based off of a person's statements in any given conversation lacking proper context.

I actually didn't say whether or not I am for or against a wall, I all said was I'm for legal immigration, nothing to do with whether or not I am for or against it. The point I was making is you don't just tear down a system, no matter how good or bad it is without having a well thought out plan that is for the better. Your ideas aren't for the better and you openly admit there will be a section of players, no matter how small, that you are more then willing to just throw under the bus because you aren't one of them and don't see their plight. You say that Riot doesn't care for these players, whether or not that is the case, why don't you care for them, why don't they deserve equal treatment?

Then why respond. I remember asking for Suggestions and ideas not criticism and blatant riot apologist. You weren't required to participate in this conversation you chose to and now you're throwing anyone trying to actually problem solve under the bus because you either aren't willing or capable of coming up with a solution.

Because that is what criticism is, I'm not just bashing your argument, I'm pointing out the flaws that you either don't see or don't want to accept. Just because I don't just agree with your system outright doesn't make me an apologist, I actually hate the current system and I have never once even gotten a chat restriction in my entire seven years playing this game, much less a ban. Your premises have flaws that you aren't willing to accept or see the flip side to, and now you are going from actually proving your point of why your system could work to just name calling. If anything, you doing this kind of showcases that the system is in the right, getting players like you out the game as best as it can.

You're defending yourself because you're either afraid those system changes would affect you or are somehow benefiting from the current broken system.

How, because I don't agree with the statements you are making? Your system suggestions have clear fallacies.

You aren't defending anyone with your statements just expressing your view, I'm trying to authentically make league a less cancerous experience for new players.

And you aren't expressing yours by saying what systems you think need to be pushed through, and I'm asking, how is throwing new players, brand new players, ones who barely know what they are doing into just a free for all a less cancerous experience? You said about that is like putting toddler against high schoolers, how is doing that supposed to be GOOD for new players? How would having your teeth smashed in repeatedly as you tried to learn the game supposed to be fun or enjoyable in the slightest?

How do you consider new players being placed with low skill players bad. There are people who can execute mechanics and basic expectations and those who can't explain to me how matching new players with low skill players is punishing them, with this theory an incredibly talented new player could easily earn their way into the smurf tiers if they play well.

Because someone who is brand new is still going to lose a LOT more then someone who is just bad. I have seen the difference quite clearly. Even then, you aren't factoring in that bad players will outright have the advantages of runes, knowledge, champions, and etc. The point of the leveling system is to give players a slow gentle curve to get used to the game's systems. Throwing all that out the window and saying "Well, figure it out." doesn't work in PvP settings, PvE fine, sure, but against other players where knowledge will trump mechanics, not so much.

your understanding is flawed thinking that anyone would be punished, properly organized yes, punished, no more than ranked does.

On top of that, I have already said, this game already has unranked elo, the game already has a normal MMR system, it is invisible and can't be seen, but the game already has a filter that pushes players who win more normal games, and thus have higher normal MMR against other higher normal MMR players.

again new players will be challenged but not dominated, trodden underfoot of superior skilled players.

I don't think you are factoring in the games where said smurfs start off in that same normal elo ranked bracket as these new players. Sure, the smurfs are going to immediately rise to the top, but on their way there, they would fight obviously new players and once again stomp them.

Can you read, I am genuinely asking you, can you read. Every statement you have made was from a cursory glance without context or meaning behind the words. RIGHT NOW THE TODDLERS ARE BEING MADE TO PLAY WITH THE HIGH SCHOOLERS YOU JUST DESCRIBED THE CURRENT SYSTEM WHERE SMURFING IS RUINING NORMAL GAMES, perhaps if I capslock you will actually read the whole idea.

And how will your system, that throws everyone into a melting pot magically make the smurfs stop though, your system isn't a fix. You say with the current system, new players have to deal with smurfs, your system idea won't change the fact they will still play with smurfs.

I do not care if I get placed against smurfs because I AM ONE I'm not plat or diamond but I can beat new players with little effort. The new players are getting dicked in the current system,

But your system suggestion isn't going to change that.

look at the threads in player behavior labled "SMURFING" and such look at the evidence being presented and take a moment to consider the context of the conversation before you hammer out another hasty reply ignoring basic structure and comprehension of the words on your screen. You are making yourself look uneducated.

I mean, you are the one falling into insulting and naming calling without posting any real proof of the matter or looking at the other side, but ok.

The Obamatar1 votes

You don't want to debate you want to argue, your little Box quotes are becoming unmanageable and I refuse to further indulge you. If you can't come up with actual suggestions as requested please leave, I'm not here to argue with you I want to avoid turning this thread into a screaming match and you are simply either unwilling or able to consider another person's ideas because you are so biased against the thought that the system as it is doesn't work. Good bye, and godpseed.

Jamaree1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Obamatar,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Aj4WvbE0,comment-id=00000000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-26T17:11:54.581+0000)

and you are simply either unwilling or able to consider another person's ideas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AzCfckVi0A

If you are more a fan of TFS then Yugioh Abriged

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfrWeK_Ska0

On that note, if you insist, have fun crying on the forums and complaining about how society needs to configure to you and your needs rather then see how possibly you might be the problem. God speed to your own whining that will both not be answered by any higher ups, won't be taken seriously by anyone who sees your post, and continue to think that anyone who doesn't baselessly agree with you is, just a hater.

KORGtuners1 votes

How do you feel about getting rid of all the punishment systems?

The Obamatar1 votes

I think that's a very bad idea as it would open the floodgates, there needs to be a punishment system if only to give the illusion of riot policing the playerbase. But if you're going to use a machine to do it use a smart machine or in this case system

falianb1 votes

I actually don't think most of your logs were that bad. It probably is better to just ignore people when they are tilting you but, I understand how frustrating it can be. I would play with you, and you would flame me because I am not that good. I think a toxic queue is not a bad idea. On your first "ban worthy offense" you go into toxic queue for a week. Each offense out of the toxic queue earns you an additional week. After 4 offenses in a year, you remain there for the rest of the season. Heck you could even demote someone a whole tier for toxicity. You were Gold 1, now you are Silver 1, etc. Additionally, I think you should be able to fall below bronze 5. Wood, Paper, a few others. There is too much of a variance of skill levels in Bronze and Silver. Just my two cents.

The Obamatar1 votes

That's the first actual idea anyone has had in this thread besides me. I like your idea of metered length instead of a flat consistent rate. The idea of demotion would probably not go over well but I personally like it however that would make bronze, even more, worse since logically all toxic players would settle into bronze after demotion, the wood and paper tiers are pretty funny but not realistic. However for my idea toxic que isn't ranked it is a mandatory mode that you have to play out of. Instead of chat banned for 10 games you have to play 10 toxic mode games, toxic mode is of course blind pick the worst mode with the worst people.

Mizuki Zahra1 votes

They can identify you with ip address and ban those accounts

The Obamatar1 votes

but they won't they've proven as mentioned to be unwilling to us IP ban because then everyone in my household wouldn't be able to play league if they so wished. ALSO IP masking and Dynamic IP Switching is a thing so its very ineffective. They can but they won't and that isn't conducive to the conversation.

The Obamatar1 votes

Sadly the very toxic me and all those like me aren't going anywhere until we choose to leave

Mizuki Zahra1 votes

but why stay if the game makes you toxic?

The Obamatar1 votes

the game doesn't make me toxic, I am toxic and I play this game. I don't blame others for my behavior the actions of some may trigger a choice to behave a certain way but its always my choice to behave that way, no one can force me to be toxic or to not be toxic I always choose which way to walk and I don't regret the steps I've taken. When you get beyond some of the sheer idiocy this community contains league is a very challenging and enjoyable skill based game. Problem is way too many people play it without a clear concept of tollerable and intollerable behavior. People troll, int, and generally have bad uncooperative attitudes in a cooperative environment which obviously turns a fun game into a frustrating one because you are either doing well and can't win, or doing poorly and can't do better. League is a reality check for a lot of egos and I enjoy that but most of the time its not my ego being checked. I'm alright with a 20 minute surrender because we are being severely murdered, most of the community, unless someone is being toxic will sit through an unwinnable game because their ego's won't permit they lost and have the gall to claim . "Its just a game calm down." THAT makes me toxic, but league, league is fun.. People are not.

Mizuki Zahra1 votes

True lol, sometimes I get a kick from not saying anything in chat. It pissed of our adc she was feeding and blaming me the top laner lol so I ignored her all game and it got to the point where I said "I didn't mute you I just that texting kills as ur if a shows" ya she flipped out and dced after spamming random letters in all chat for 30 ish seconds

Colgate Gator1 votes

I swear people who just keep making account after account as they're banned are just like these exes who just won't get the damn hint.

The Obamatar1 votes

yeah and there's literally nothing you can do about it, isn't that sad?

The Obamatar1 votes

To all you incredibly, INCREDIBLY butthurt people downvoting every comment I make. You're not hurting me, I'm not phased by people not liking me or my opinions. I'm not you, so please continue to downvote it, I'm not going away, I intend to have this discussion with anyone who is smart enough to have it, or dumb enough to leave a post that has nothing to do with it. You won't win, you can't win, give up.

ModUlanopo1 votes

Hey guys. Please remember that it's possible to have a conversation without bickering or name-calling. Let's take it down a notch.

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