Nunu support: a meta Riot will most defnitly kill with balancing.

o0O Madoka O0o·3/2/2017, 8:43:51 PM·1 votes·1,542 views

Disclaimer: I DO NOT seek to discuss whether the player should be banned or not. I DO think he should bring his own duo to play off-meta that would obviously ruin the fun of the a particular role. However, I DO think the ban is a mistake according to CURRENT Riot's guideline, it is not a bannable offensive to choose off-meta strategy that has reasonable winrate. If Riot thinks off-meta players need to bring their own teammates in affected roles, it has to be a pre-established rule to be punishable

The current Nunu support dilemma should reminds those of us who were around in the lane swap meta, double jungle meta, and first season jungle meta. They have one thing in a common: sacrificing a specific role to create opportunity for the team.

These cases played out differently. Some became meta, some are killed by Riot.

The difference here, is that junglers eventually balance itself out when the enemy team adopted the same strategy, but lane swap and double jungling creates a permanent underdog in both of the teams.

Advertised as a team game, the league should have allowed the any strategy to win, and it's played as such in the competitive scene. The solo queue however, is different. It's comprised of individual players who are strangers to each other, and may or may not willing to sacrifice their fun to earn a win.

We can safely assume not everyone is willing to do so, which is already the case for supports. The support role is a result of 4 income sources in a game of 5 players, and Riot has be struggling for years to balance and promote support role. Junglers balance itself out because it expanded the income source from 3 to 4, it doesn't not involve a fundamental conflict and eventually becomes the meta because of better utilization of resources.

Nunu support does not solve this fundamental conflict. Its gold income comes from enemy jungle or snowballing, neither of them is a stable income. It can potentially damage the bot lane income of the team, and involves a great risk (that is on another teammate who is not the Nunu player).

In order for bot lane to balance out like the jungle, the enemy has to adopt a similar strategy, let bot lane become an 1v1. However, Nunu support meta is by nature chaotic and hard to balance Its income is difficult to be calculated and controlled by the designers. Without the support of balancing, solo bot meta is unlikely to be mainstream meta, resulting a bot lane 1v2, and thus the player not having fun.

The questions then,

Are you willing to be the one sacrificed in a solo queue game? Or more importantly, have you actually agreed to a stranger to play off-meta that will impact your role?

If the majority is no, it will be no surprise that Riot will likely kill this meta with balance changes, no matter what the outcome of the ban is. Just like what they did with the lane swap.

13 Comments

MysterQ3/2/2017, 8:51:04 PM1 votes

This is a team game. I will change my role, take on a new role, etc for my team as long as the goal is to win. I will often tell my team not to blame me though if you stick me in a lane where all I can do is safe farm.

The real question is how can you determine if the person is serious or not. There are videos of ADC Soraka getting pentas and such (please not ranked) but to know if they are serious is always tougher. I just try to assume the better of people if I can though.

It is hard to say what you will do until the situation happens though.

Kei1433/2/2017, 8:56:41 PM1 votes

creative support main here, and I can pretty much adapt to anything. Having more gameplay knowledge (while being mechanically weaker) than most of my piers allows me to do this. NOTE: I'm in Bronze2 ELO

  • I can 1v2 and freeze my bot lane easily cos most people don't know how to break a freeze or capitalize on a dive. Typically happens when my support DCs.
  • I've had a yi that forgot smite before, we were able to 2 man top (with him or me occasional roaming to mid / jg)
  • I can track the enemy jg very effectively with the ward locations and the jgler's CS. Thus we've made ballsy plays and 3 man collapse on the enemy jg even though we are 4v5.
  • A dude didn't want to support and wanted jungle, I managed to double jungle and still defend my laner as nunu smite support.

Comprosing may be seen as a weakness for some, some see it as a sacriface, but the ability to adapt is certainly a strength that shouldn't be looked down upon.

Bettnachleger3/2/2017, 10:19:18 PM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=o0O Madoka O0o,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=Aisx9Wtf,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-03-02T20:43:51.944+0000) **Nunu **support does not solve this fundamental conflict. Its gold income comes from enemy jungle or snowballing

Well done, good Sir.

AJStarhiker3/2/2017, 10:50:18 PM1 votes

It was a few seasons ago, before Teambuilder. I had picked Ziggs, another player picked Swain. At that point, Swain was a strong top pick, but he wanted mid. I agreed, since I was more interested in having fun playing, and figured "Why not?"

As it turned out, the other team had Nasus top, and Ziggs' zoning abilities made sure it hurt every time Nasus tried for a last hit and Swain dominated mid enough he came up for some nice ganks. I don't remember anymore if that game ended in a surrender (from the enemy team) but it turned out to be a lot of fun and one of my more memorable games thanks to the swap.

elduris3/2/2017, 11:10:51 PM1 votes

I think you hit a lot of really good points here. As a jungle/support main I am definitely aware of how volatile the income for both roles can be for all kinds of games. Riot has put a lot into the game to try to balance it out, but the nature of support, as the role exists today, will not allow you to have a huge gold income and still "properly" do your job as support.

However, I don't think Riot will "kill" this developing "new meta" with balance changes. First, it's not really that popular or effective enough to become a common strategy that Riot even needs to be concerned about. Compared to the number of games played by "normal meta" rules, the number of times someone encounters a strategy like this is minuscule. Since the strategy is even riskier than playing a traditional low-income support, I have a feeling that will also deter players from risking their LP on an unconventional strategy. After watching hours of VODs of the Nunu player, I've learned that even he is not 100% confident in his strategy and sometimes sites far-reaching statistics to justify it to others. To paraphrase him "sometimes I make statistics up just to shut people up."

I'm interested to see how this will play out for the future, but I'm confident that the 1-1-2 + Jungle meta is here to stay.

Ratpocalypse2/21/2018, 11:05:48 PM1 votes

I remember back in the day I preferred top lane due to the 1v2 matchup as I enjoyed the difficulty of trying to get solo exp/farm while my jungler would provide pressure to other lanes.

I believe that various strategies should be more common in LoL as to keep the game fresh and enjoyable.

Below is a link showcasing how powerful off meta picks can be as long as your teammates don't whine about it.

https://youtu.be/n4-jZylsbRE