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Why I can't play ADC

Lotus Fate·12/4/2018, 6:39:42 PM·1 votes·2,007 views

Yes this has to do with player behavior, because in the Bronze to Gold levels, people still don't understand the Support role. And 90% of the time I play ADC, my support feeds and trash talks me regardless of how well i'm doing, and 100% of the time my support doesn't support.

I never have this problem in the other 4 roles, in fact I can do poorly in those roles and still haveless toxicity from my teamates. So why is my Bot game so cursed?

Every time I'm ADC, I get Lux support, Trundle, vel'koz. And they build damage items.

I've never played ADC in the last year with a soraka, janna, karma, sona, thresh, braum, taric, or even a zyra. Occassionally I'll get a leona, only to have them build spirit visage and front line without peeling whatsoever. They always flash in dash, Die in 2 seconds and blame me for "not having any balls" As a result they always, ALWAYS end up leaving lane, or stealing CS.

Despite this I'll still end the game going 8/2/8 or 5/1/9. I've even got a solo quadra kill in a 13/1/8 game a year ago and everyone was just being toxic, calling me useless.

Do I get mad? not in chat. The most toxic thing I'll say is "can i get some peels, please?"

Am I a bad adc? well... yeah I am. I'm genuinely trying to practice the role in draft games, but It's 1 of 2 roles that requires synergy from a teammate.

So here's my question. If your support is unable to stun, shield, buff, crowd control, and doesn't build any support items besides the starting gold item, and proceeds to blame YOU for the lane not going well. And you're not feeding, and you have a positive KDR with decent CS. Should they be reported?

21 Comments

Kaioko12/4/2018, 7:26:01 PM2 votes

A lot of what you're mentioning simply has to do with the unreliability of players at those levels. A person who plays a non-damaging support will obviously not be able to deal damage reliably. If they get paired up with an ADC whose incapable of doing damage then they will suffer.

If you're still getting fed and climbing I don't exactly see what the issue is. The further up you go -- the more non-damaging supports you'll get. That being said with how high damage is so far this season; bottom lane really isn't too needed to deal further damage. Playing a supportive ADC or even a mage actually ends up being quite viable especially if you've got high damage in the other roles.

Vreivai12/5/2018, 12:04:21 AM2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lotus Fate,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=AXBWkAku,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-04T18:39:42.626+0000) And 90% of the time I play ADC, my support feeds and trash talks me regardless of how well i'm doing, and 100% of the time my support doesn't support.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess this is not even remotely close to true.

Tulare12/4/2018, 7:09:26 PM1 votes

Reportable? No, probably not. I feel your frustration, though. I, too, am a mediocre adc (my new role in the last season or two just 'cause the guys I play with don't like it). I've played a lot of support in seasons past, though. In fairness, as adc, I get a fair share of decent supports.

I agree that it's super frustrating, though, when a support barely even tries to play to the role. For example, a few games back, my Zyra support had a Haunting Guise and was getting ready to upgrade it to Liandry's Torment, but had never even upgraded her Spellthief's Edge. She went 0/8/3 and had a lower vision score than anybody else on the team.

I am patient and allow a lot of flexibility in different ways to play "support" but one way or another, the role has to play with a limited budget.

usul120212/4/2018, 7:17:02 PM1 votes

The what's wrong with mage supports? Just because they aren't a buffbot or peelbot doesn't mean they aren't doing their job as your support...

Kei14312/4/2018, 7:30:21 PM1 votes

Death is the best peel.

ı Sona ı12/4/2018, 7:53:54 PM1 votes

Well, ADC doesn't actually require synergy, it requires spatial awareness.

There is no ward, should I be pushing? There is a ward but I have no flash, should I be pushing? There is a ward, I have flash but their engage is really dangerous, should I be pushing? There is a ward, I have flash, but my support backed, should I be pushing? The lane is frozen and we're all at full health, should I be pushing? I have no legitimate reason not to simply last hit minions, should I be pushing? I don't feel like I can trust my support yet, should I be pushing?

The answer to everything is NO, stop pushing, stop forcing fights, and just focus on last hitting. I don't care if your support engages 20 feet in front of you where you can't possibly reach them in time, don't follow them to your own death.

Play. With. Tactics.

woodvsmurph12/4/2018, 9:20:39 PM1 votes

Played this game since season 2 or 3. Started as support because that's where the noobs went at the time and because people spent most of champ select shouting about whether it would be first pick or first call to determine roles - unlike now where we have a nice autofill system to help avoid us being at each other's throats so often before the game even begins.

I can say without a doubt that it is FAR more common to have an adc with no clue how to play than a support with no clue how to play in bronze, silver, and gold elo.

Adc's either tend to blindly auto-push the wave constantly and keep in perma-shoved in so as to invite the enemy jg and mid to camp them for easy kills, or they play overly passive and only last-hit when they should be abusing an advantage in laning phase before they get outscaled. The latter results in their support getting poked out and never being allowed to play agro or return damage onto opponents because the adc simply fails to punish with aa harass/poke like they properly should. The former results in either the adc or the support (or both) dying over and over and falling behind due to ganks. And when the support dies to save the adc from the bad situation the adc put him/herself in, the support gets blamed for being bad/getting caught even though they could have escaped at the cost of the adc's life and chose instead to protect their carry.

Adc's don't tend to ward, or they use wards carelessly. Supports can't keep up enough vision alone 24/7 especially before they get sightstone support item quest completed.

Not all supports are meant to babysit adc's. Some supports like leona aren't made so much for pealing as they are for engaging for their whole team.

Support items are not always the best items for a support either. A leona with item 3800 or item 3742 is far tankier and more threatening to the enemy team than a leona with item 3109 . And if you don't have a reliable dps champ that's worth putting knight's vow on, then it is better to not buy the item at all.

And supports might be better off taking some cs in different situations. Maybe it's better to clear a wave and reset it by bouncing off tower before you get back to lane so you aren't overextended. Or maybe they're trimming it to set up a freeze. Or simply last-hitting minions when you aren't there. All those are valid reasons for them to take cs beyond simply stacking taragon's.

I can't count how many times I've had adc's lecture me or constantly pinging me to back off when I'm literally 1v2 spoon feeding them advantages in lane. Or get my adc off to a 2/0/0 or 4/1/0 start only to have them play like a complete ape the second I leave lane, continually die stupidly when I'm walking back from base, and then never be in lane when I'm there. How many games I've been told to just leave because I'm bad or left because I realized how much of a waste it was to babysit for a crappy adc, then gone mid and snowball my midlaner in no time even if it's 2v2 vs enemy jg and mid.

And kills don't mean everything friend. You can have amazing kda and still be costing your team the game through stupid play. If you aren't leveraging your advantage or your cs sucks or whatever, you are doing your team no good and just a walking shutdown for the enemy team. Rotations, map pressure, being in proper position AHEAD OF a teamfight rather than showing up late and taking all the credit for work others have done and paid the price for... that matters far more than mere kda. Not saying you are a bad adc or anything, but just giving you an outsider's perspective on some of the things other roles and players have to consider. The more you understand about what your teammates' goals and needs are, the better you will become as a player.

Telephone Booth12/5/2018, 12:36:25 AM1 votes

If ANYONE throws any blame your way for a lost lane, or lost game, yes its reportable.

Alzon12/4/2018, 6:46:33 PM1 votes

If you add “zone,” “deal meaningful damage,” and “control objectives” to the list, then yes, that player is basically hindering you in every way.

IanSilang12/5/2018, 3:39:23 AM1 votes

This is why I main support and bot. The off chance I get Bot instead of support (In my elo, there are a lot of support mains) I know that the support main is competent enough.

Imperial Pandaa12/4/2018, 6:50:22 PM1 votes

If they are verbally harassing you, they could face punishment if reported.

However, I'm not going to tell you if you should report them or not as it is on you. I too suck at playing bot and realize it. Unless they are using slurs or something, I typically won't report as I just ignore it or mute them.