Griefing is the Powder Keg Exploding, but Flaming is the Spark that ignites it.

ı Sona ı·1/10/2019, 9:21:32 PM·23 votes·11,168 views

How many times have you seen one player flame another and then they afk or start griefing?

How many times have you been the player who flamed someone else for an unfortunate gank or they got caught out, and then they afked or started running it down lane?

How many times were you the one who got flamed and so you started griefing or afking?

We can't control others but we can control ourselves. If you want less griefers and trolls then stop setting them off. I know that isn't fair to you and you shouldn't have to put more effort into being mature than them, but you have no real other option.

You win by adjusting your strategy to win.

[sona-playing]

36 Comments

R107 Games1/10/2019, 9:34:49 PM10 votes

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How many times have you seen one player flame another and then they afk or start griefing?

Like 5% of the time?

How many times have you been the player who flamed someone else for an unfortunate gank or they got caught out, and then they afked or started running it down lane?

Like 2% of the time?

How many times were you the one who got flamed and so you started griefing or afking?

0% of the time lmao.

We can't control others but we can control ourselves. If you want less griefers and trolls then stop setting them off.

Their mentality is what "sets them off". And that is their problem.

I know that isn't fair to you and you shouldn't have to put more effort into being mature than them, but you have no real other option.

Being more mature than them is not going to do anything. If they want to troll or grief, they will do it.

You win by adjusting your strategy to win.

Why is that relevant to your argument?

ØrnnToGetTrolleÐ1/11/2019, 4:51:00 AM6 votes

Griefers do what they want, because it is allowed. It has nothing to with my behavior. If they wanna do it, they will.

I should be allowed to call them out on their shit, but I'm not. Because apparently some random text is far more punishable than a person who actually wants to ruin games. Mute button does not stop people from running it down/soft inting.

Stop trolling the boards. It's getting disgusting.

Sorin Alucard1/10/2019, 11:03:30 PM4 votes

This is only true because we have a petty community with no sportsmanship values, or at the very least, a passion to win.

We use to, and no the chat wasn't cleaner. It was as open as a youtube comment section. However, if you got over your feelings and used your mute you could usually at least count on teammates to still want to win. Most of the fights were over role selections and picks, because we couldn't lock anything in. People would fight over it, but we wanted to win.

Now I'm not saying that cleaning up chat was bad, but in hindsight I wish IFS never happened. I'd rather have overly passionate flamers I can mute, than petty passive aggressive assholes, silent trolls, and a clusterfuck of people who don't want to put energy into a win if it isn't handed to them. The decreasing playerbase shows the passion is leaving it, and its our community thats driving it out.

It drags away from all the other critiques I'd rather be at the front of discussion, like matchmaking, updating MMR systems, or addressing power creep.

But Even if this game becomes mechanically better, that won't stop us from being matched with people that you'd "better not set off, cuz they are powderkegs"

no offense to OP trying to keep up this super positive vibe-- I just think we need to re-evaluate what we expect the players to mitigate about multiplayer friction and what we really need companies to intervene for. I don't think what people say to you is one of them. just imo

Aladoron1/11/2019, 9:48:40 AM3 votes

TBH I see it differently.

I almost never see a player who wants to win a game flamed. So in my experience it's the other way around, trolls/inters set off the flamers (mostly).

Votable Jester1/11/2019, 1:09:09 AM2 votes

I generally don't flame and have not once received punishment, but don't minimize how shitty it is for someone to grief and afk. Unless your team (not just one person) is literally just an awful, abusive bastard, there's not much excuse for ruining the game.

So yeah don't flame people and such, but it's still at least 95% the griefer/afker's fault.

DoktorKaiser1/12/2019, 10:52:31 PM2 votes

Inting causes toxicity way more than toxicity causes inting from my experience the first one is 90% of the cases , second one only 10%.

scazzman1/13/2019, 1:54:44 AM2 votes

in my experience it tends to be the opposite case, a player will troll or int, and then get flamed, not the other way around

Sleeperbat1/11/2019, 5:31:49 PM2 votes

Some people spark their own fuse and blow everything up.

AJStarhiker1/11/2019, 3:37:06 AM2 votes

I think powder keg is the perception of trolling. When somone enters a game expecting to find trolling, they are going to see it, regardless of whether it's actually happening. They are going to react badly to mistakes, low skill, or unexpected and off-meta play. They call it out, the "offending" player thinks they are being attacked for no reason and some retaliate, setting off a flame war that only serves to reinforce the idea of toxicity in LoL.

Dr Dog1/10/2019, 9:48:10 PM2 votes

i read this wrong at first and thought it was the other way around and i was about to say uhhhh no? lol

Midg3t1/11/2019, 12:26:55 PM2 votes

Gj on blaming the victim of trolling. 'If you want less trolls stop setting them off' Yea sure its others fault people are trolling... just stfu and stop spewing out bs

Draught of Souls1/15/2019, 9:25:13 AM1 votes

I would say the only reason i ever int is because some fuckface decides to ban my champ ON MY OWN TEAM in champ select. so then i will most definitely be running it down mid if he doesn't have some god tier reason for banning my Vayne (aka my last match i played)

Shmeeve1/10/2019, 10:57:23 PM1 votes

I was one of those people who did an unsuccessful gank, just a second after that, I see my whole team spamming at me in chat... oof. The last two games of league I played Idk what was wrong with my internet, and forced me to reconnect... twice... and my team flamed me for that... I have some rotten luck with people :I

SHIN0BU1/11/2019, 1:12:33 AM1 votes

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How many times were you the one who got flamed and so you started griefing or afking?

Sorry what? No excuses for feeding. if you flame, you get chat restrictions and then bans. if you intentionally throw, (griefing, intentionally feeding, trolling) you get banned. Do NOT think you can excuse ANY poor behavior if it’s not allowed in lol. Do you see how many people get chat restrictions or bans for behavior stemming from fights? People just need to learn how to not feed trolls. Too much report baiting nowadays that people never wise up to.

Jojobees1/11/2019, 2:00:55 AM1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz7TWpRXyRY

Arctic Dragon1/11/2019, 2:21:40 AM1 votes

[{quoted}](name=ı Sona ı,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=APcXLmjW,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-01-10T21:21:32.235+0000)

How many times have you seen one player flame another and then they afk or start griefing?

How many times have you been the player who flamed someone else for an unfortunate gank or they got caught out, and then they afked or started running it down lane?

How many times were you the one who got flamed and so you started griefing or afking?

We can't control others but we can control ourselves. If you want less griefers and trolls then stop setting them off. I know that isn't fair to you and you shouldn't have to put more effort into being mature than them, but you have no real other option.

You win by adjusting your strategy to win.

[sona-playing]

I never use chat anymore, I communicate via pings, never had a issue yet.

I /mute all before the game begins.

Dewott6101/11/2019, 4:50:16 AM1 votes

while that is true, there's still the 1% that do it for fun or the 5% who basically say "Give me mid or I troll" before anyone says anything

nelogis1/11/2019, 10:25:22 AM1 votes

Griefing is the Powder Keg Exploding

When you manage to tilt 3 other teammates with 1 comment

Gangplank COMBO!

Butterwood1/11/2019, 5:32:18 PM1 votes

Gangplank sees what you did there